Terrorist Shooting In Orlando, FL

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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    I find it really rich (and disgusting) when our resident homophobe comes on here and uses this event to push they're anti-Islam agenda. I'm not buying it.
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    better ban all europeans,iislamic ,ispanic,afro american,asian from usa..
    oh wait..noone left there now!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Bentleyspop said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    I won't be the first nor the last to tell you and everyone else that says what you posted....

    He was an American citizen. Born and raised in America.
    Just like you
    Just like Dylan Roof
    Just like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold
    Just like Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer
    Just like Elliott Rodger
    Just like Adam Lanza
    Just like Aaron Alexis
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I echo the sentiments of Michael Moore in Twitter today. He said something along the lines of "I've already said everything that can be said on this subject".
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    check this out, GF: middle eastern people don't even make the cut:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

    thanks for the info but if you guys can't see the problem with muslims in our country and around the world then you either don't want to see it or you just don't care, the LGBT fought "islamaphobia" what do you think the people at that bar think now ? do think they are talking about needless fear brought on by the media ?

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    nein!
    that was good.

    Godfather.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    Enough mass shootings are done by crazy white men (Sandy Hook, Colorado Movie theater) to negate your premise....

    BUT......

    I'd be for a ban on immigration all together. From all countries. We're full.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    OnWis97 said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
    and wasn't he on the FBI's radar or on a no fly list ? and still passed a background check ????

    Godfather.

  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Godfather. said:

    OnWis97 said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
    and wasn't he on the FBI's radar or on a no fly list ? and still passed a background check ????

    Godfather.

    you can thank the NRA for that ...
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Godfather. said:

    OnWis97 said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
    and wasn't he on the FBI's radar or on a no fly list ? and still passed a background check ????

    Godfather.

    Good think people on the no fly list can buy an AR 15, right? 'MERICA!
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,961
    I would like to see gun owners and Second Amendment enthusiasts take a lead and be actively working to make sure that dangerous gun owners are not in their number. I don't know why they neglect doing this because clearly it puts the rest of us at serious risk. If you don't want the government to pass laws that would restrict your gun-owning rights, take charge and figure out how to prevent crazies from getting guns and using them on us. Then you'd be heroes and just maybe, we'd have fewer of these events...saving lives. Come up with ideas; get an activist conversation going and get it done...please. Do it yourselves.
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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    The level of hatred and bigotry in this thread is astounding. Apparently it's okay to lump Muslims together into a single collective; a group of hateful murderous monsters. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are not extremists, terrorists or killers; they are just people who want to live peacefully like the rest of us. Heck, there are even people trying to link the killer's political affiliation with his crime as if it somehow implies that Democrats or Democrat supporters are implicitly connected to this hate crime.

    Ironically, the pro-gun crowd always distance themselves from any mass shootings claiming that they are different from the gunman yet at the same time they have difficulty allowing a Muslim to do the same thing. Why should every Muslim be forced to take ownership of every act of terrorism committed by an Islamic extremist if gun owners don't have to do the same for every murder committed by a fellow gun owner? The whole thing seems hypocritical to me.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited June 2016
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    check this out, GF: middle eastern people don't even make the cut:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

    I would be interested in understanding what the stats would look like without government intervention. I.e., how many terrorists plots are thwarted by the US government in a year? It sucks that the government tracks everything we do in the name of preventing terrorism (they just want the power though at the end of the day).
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    it's mind boggling how much power the NRA/gun lobby has and how they use incidents like this to further their agenda ... the NRA solution to Orlando is to make sure everyone in the crowd has a gun ...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    check this out, GF: middle eastern people don't even make the cut:

    http://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

    thanks for the info but if you guys can't see the problem with muslims in our country and around the world then you either don't want to see it or you just don't care, the LGBT fought "islamaphobia" what do you think the people at that bar think now ? do think they are talking about needless fear brought on by the media ?

    Godfather.

    there is just as much a muslim problem here as there is an american problem everywhere else. think about that.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    blueandwhite said:

    The level of hatred and bigotry in this thread is astounding. Apparently it's okay to lump Muslims together into a single collective; a group of hateful murderous monsters. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are not extremists, terrorists or killers; they are just people who want to live peacefully like the rest of us. Heck, there are even people trying to link the killer's political affiliation with his crime as if it somehow implies that Democrats or Democrat supporters are implicitly connected to this hate crime.

    Ironically, the pro-gun crowd always distance themselves from any mass shootings claiming that they are different from the gunman yet at the same time they have difficulty allowing a Muslim to do the same thing. Why should every Muslim be forced to take ownership of every act of terrorism committed by an Islamic extremist if gun owners don't have to do the same for every murder committed by a fellow gun owner? The whole thing seems hypocritical to me.

    excellent post. :clap:
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,911
    Kat said:

    I would like to see gun owners and Second Amendment enthusiasts take a lead and be actively working to make sure that dangerous gun owners are not in their number. I don't know why they neglect doing this because clearly it puts the rest of us at serious risk. If you don't want the government to pass laws that would restrict your gun-owning rights, take charge and figure out how to prevent crazies from getting guns and using them on us. Then you'd be heroes and just maybe, we'd have fewer of these events...saving lives. Come up with ideas; get an activist conversation going and get it done...please. Do it yourselves.

    well said Kat. Unfortunately every time something like this happens the gun companies, enthusiasts and lobbyists circle their wagons and get even more defensive of their current stand.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    polaris_x said:

    Godfather. said:

    OnWis97 said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
    and wasn't he on the FBI's radar or on a no fly list ? and still passed a background check ????

    Godfather.

    you can thank the NRA for that ...
    no you can thank the government for not acting on a lead, the NRA ???? really ? HAHAHHAHAHHA !!!!!

    Godfather.

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    Godfather. said:

    OnWis97 said:

    Godfather. said:

    ban all Islamic people from entering the US.

    Godfather.

    You earlier indicated that talking about banning guns was the wrong response; now keeping Muslims from entering is the right response.

    But he did not "enter." He was born here. He purchased the guns almost as easily as you and I purchase candy. At least in this case, your solution does not help. But the opposing solution? Who knows; though we'll never find out.
    and wasn't he on the FBI's radar or on a no fly list ? and still passed a background check ????

    Godfather.

    NO he was not on the no -fly list
    YES he was checked out by the FBI but they found no reason to go any further in their investigations of him
    YES because he wasn't on any watch list he passed a background check. Just like you would.

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