North Carolina passes bill blocking LGBT protections

callen said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Godfather. said:

dignin said:

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rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

so trans people will be the only ones other than real women using the women's restroom ?.....I doubt that, your opening a door for sexual predators and this guy will have to live with the actions and crimes committed by these sick fucks...and the victims will have no choice all because a group of liberals believe that a man in a dress identifies himself as a woman is harmless.....it seems to me that any man who wears a dress and make-up in public is already battling with his own issues, not all are violent I'm sure but if you can make a case against concealed carry or even open carry laws but find it O.K. to open the door for men to use the women's public restrooms your catering to your own agenda and not that of society as a whole

Godfather.

Bigotry is ugly, open your mind not your mouth.

dude really ?????

Godfather.

Yes really. Your post was very misguided to say the least.

wow....just friggin unreal, I just can't wrap my head around letting anybody's wife or daughter use a public bathroom any fuckin male can just walk into but I guess that the price your willing to pay to show the world you believe in transgender equality...which is bullshit in my humble opinion..but carry on in the names of your wives and daughters if it suits your non judgmental feelings.......

Godfather.

What's to stop anyone from walking into any bathroom now?
A sign that says "WOMEN "?
Will that stop a predator?

Are you really that afraid of a transgendered person using a public bathroom?

aside from that it's a privacy issue for women and children...and yes a concern for fathers and husbands, believe it or not the whole world does not agree with this idea of letting any man who "identifies" himself as a woman in a public restroom with their loved ones.

Godfather.

But dude, lol, with what you're saying, you'll have this person in the men's washroom with you:


And women will have this person in the women's washroom with us:


Do you not think this is inappropriate??? Why would support that?

I don't want women in the mens room either....is that a real woman ? I don't trust you anymore hahhhahhahahhahahhahahahahah

Godfather.

That's a man according to his birth certificate. That is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the men's room.

And this is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the women's washroom in order to protect women's privacy, since her birth certificate says she's a woman:


So this makes you comfortable GF? This is what you are fighting for. Bravo.

Which restroom should this person use?

the ladies room, as I've already said an operation and hair growth/removal do NOT change the facts.
I don't care if a person is gay/lesbian or confused it don't take a genius to see what their package looks like and if their uncomfortable using the public restrooms with other men/women then that is their issue not mine.

Godfather.

If you saw this person going Into the bathroom after your wife went in you'd be fine? Really? You wouldn't know this person was born w women genitals.

I'm guessing start a fight or call the cops. Either way conflict would happen....where there was none before.

Because people are homophobic.

how about upstanding citizens like the straight Dennis Hastert? comfortable sending your boys into a restroom with him? Former congressmann longest serving speaker of the house?

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Godfather. said:

dignin said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

so trans people will be the only ones other than real women using the women's restroom ?.....I doubt that, your opening a door for sexual predators and this guy will have to live with the actions and crimes committed by these sick fucks...and the victims will have no choice all because a group of liberals believe that a man in a dress identifies himself as a woman is harmless.....it seems to me that any man who wears a dress and make-up in public is already battling with his own issues, not all are violent I'm sure but if you can make a case against concealed carry or even open carry laws but find it O.K. to open the door for men to use the women's public restrooms your catering to your own agenda and not that of society as a whole

Godfather.

Bigotry is ugly, open your mind not your mouth.

dude really ?????

Godfather.

Yes really. Your post was very misguided to say the least.

wow....just friggin unreal, I just can't wrap my head around letting anybody's wife or daughter use a public bathroom any fuckin male can just walk into but I guess that the price your willing to pay to show the world you believe in transgender equality...which is bullshit in my humble opinion..but carry on in the names of your wives and daughters if it suits your non judgmental feelings.......

Godfather.

What's to stop anyone from walking into any bathroom now?
A sign that says "WOMEN "?
Will that stop a predator?

Are you really that afraid of a transgendered person using a public bathroom?

aside from that it's a privacy issue for women and children...and yes a concern for fathers and husbands, believe it or not the whole world does not agree with this idea of letting any man who "identifies" himself as a woman in a public restroom with their loved ones.

Godfather.

But dude, lol, with what you're saying, you'll have this person in the men's washroom with you:


And women will have this person in the women's washroom with us:


Do you not think this is inappropriate??? Why would support that?

I don't want women in the mens room either....is that a real woman ? I don't trust you anymore hahhhahhahahhahahhahahahahah

Godfather.

That's a man according to his birth certificate. That is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the men's room.

And this is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the women's washroom in order to protect women's privacy, since her birth certificate says she's a woman:


So this makes you comfortable GF? This is what you are fighting for. Bravo.

Which restroom should this person use?

the ladies room, she was born a female right ?

Godfather.

I don't know, actually. How would you?
Are you going to do a genital check? How else would you determine which restroom they should use?
Are your wives and daughters comfortable with this person in their restroom?

Doesn't make sense to me.

What makes sense to me is everyone minding their own damn business and the government not sticking it's nose into the bathroom habits of law abiding American citizens.

Lol, that's what I was wondering. How are you, GF, going to identify them? If a woman walks into the men's room, or a man walks into the ladies room (but they are in fact transgendered and in the "right" washroom" as far as you are concerned), how would you react? You'd just be happy to assume that dude in the ladies washroom is a transgendered woman? Or would you look around for a cop so that the person can be subjected to yet more discrimination just so that your mind is set at ease, knowing that the person who looks like a man, identifies as a man, sounds like a man, and has a penis like a man is using the women's washroom? Because as far as you or anyone would be able to tell, that would just be a man in the ladies' can. Or are you expecting us to just assume that if there is a man in a woman's washroom it must be a transgendered woman? If so, I guess these actual men who are you are so worried about going around attacking women in ladies' washrooms are going to have a fucking field day. Or will all men now have to walk around with their birth certificates so that they can prove to anyone who asks what gender they "really" are? Will you be checking all men in the men's washroom to make sure they're "real" men? Really, how is this supposed to work in your opinion?

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Godfather. said:

dignin said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

so trans people will be the only ones other than real women using the women's restroom ?.....I doubt that, your opening a door for sexual predators and this guy will have to live with the actions and crimes committed by these sick fucks...and the victims will have no choice all because a group of liberals believe that a man in a dress identifies himself as a woman is harmless.....it seems to me that any man who wears a dress and make-up in public is already battling with his own issues, not all are violent I'm sure but if you can make a case against concealed carry or even open carry laws but find it O.K. to open the door for men to use the women's public restrooms your catering to your own agenda and not that of society as a whole

Godfather.

Bigotry is ugly, open your mind not your mouth.

dude really ?????

Godfather.

Yes really. Your post was very misguided to say the least.

wow....just friggin unreal, I just can't wrap my head around letting anybody's wife or daughter use a public bathroom any fuckin male can just walk into but I guess that the price your willing to pay to show the world you believe in transgender equality...which is bullshit in my humble opinion..but carry on in the names of your wives and daughters if it suits your non judgmental feelings.......

Godfather.

What's to stop anyone from walking into any bathroom now?
A sign that says "WOMEN "?
Will that stop a predator?

Are you really that afraid of a transgendered person using a public bathroom?

aside from that it's a privacy issue for women and children...and yes a concern for fathers and husbands, believe it or not the whole world does not agree with this idea of letting any man who "identifies" himself as a woman in a public restroom with their loved ones.

Godfather.

But dude, lol, with what you're saying, you'll have this person in the men's washroom with you:


And women will have this person in the women's washroom with us:


Do you not think this is inappropriate??? Why would support that?

I don't want women in the mens room either....is that a real woman ? I don't trust you anymore hahhhahhahahhahahhahahahahah

Godfather.

That's a man according to his birth certificate. That is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the men's room.

And this is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the women's washroom in order to protect women's privacy, since her birth certificate says she's a woman:


So this makes you comfortable GF? This is what you are fighting for. Bravo.

growing facial hair and having a adadictame does not make a woman a man...
and a male who chops off his junk and has his facial hair permanently removed IS NOT a woman..I realize I'm one of the few on this board who recognizes this and just because you think other wise dose not make you or the others right, doctors and medical science will back my comments and beliefs on this issue, if you want to believe a simple operation will change gender then that's cool but don't force your opinion on me please because as you know I am not accepting it at all in way or form.

Godfather.

That's not even the point. Do you really think it's appropriate for that woman (who you consider a man), and that man (who you consider a woman) in the photos above to use the washroom that matches their birth certificates? Because that is what you're advocating for.

well it boils down to choice......SHE made the decision to have an operation and take the necessary drugs to grow facial hair, it was not my decision so please don't force me into her world..these are things her and others like her should have thought about before hand.

Godfather.

their world is planet earth. when do you leave?

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

Bentleyspop said:

Godfather. said:

dignin said:

Godfather. said:

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

so trans people will be the only ones other than real women using the women's restroom ?.....I doubt that, your opening a door for sexual predators and this guy will have to live with the actions and crimes committed by these sick fucks...and the victims will have no choice all because a group of liberals believe that a man in a dress identifies himself as a woman is harmless.....it seems to me that any man who wears a dress and make-up in public is already battling with his own issues, not all are violent I'm sure but if you can make a case against concealed carry or even open carry laws but find it O.K. to open the door for men to use the women's public restrooms your catering to your own agenda and not that of society as a whole

Godfather.

Bigotry is ugly, open your mind not your mouth.

dude really ?????

Godfather.

Yes really. Your post was very misguided to say the least.

wow....just friggin unreal, I just can't wrap my head around letting anybody's wife or daughter use a public bathroom any fuckin male can just walk into but I guess that the price your willing to pay to show the world you believe in transgender equality...which is bullshit in my humble opinion..but carry on in the names of your wives and daughters if it suits your non judgmental feelings.......

Godfather.

What's to stop anyone from walking into any bathroom now?
A sign that says "WOMEN "?
Will that stop a predator?

Are you really that afraid of a transgendered person using a public bathroom?

aside from that it's a privacy issue for women and children...and yes a concern for fathers and husbands, believe it or not the whole world does not agree with this idea of letting any man who "identifies" himself as a woman in a public restroom with their loved ones.

Godfather.

But dude, lol, with what you're saying, you'll have this person in the men's washroom with you:


And women will have this person in the women's washroom with us:


Do you not think this is inappropriate??? Why would support that?

I don't want women in the mens room either....is that a real woman ? I don't trust you anymore hahhhahhahahhahahhahahahahah

Godfather.

That's a man according to his birth certificate. That is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the men's room.

And this is the kind of person you are insisting has to use the women's washroom in order to protect women's privacy, since her birth certificate says she's a woman:


So this makes you comfortable GF? This is what you are fighting for. Bravo.

growing facial hair and having a adadictame does not make a woman a man...
and a male who chops off his junk and has his facial hair permanently removed IS NOT a woman..I realize I'm one of the few on this board who recognizes this and just because you think other wise dose not make you or the others right, doctors and medical science will back my comments and beliefs on this issue, if you want to believe a simple operation will change gender then that's cool but don't force your opinion on me please because as you know I am not accepting it at all in way or form.

Godfather.

That's not even the point. Do you really think it's appropriate for that woman (who you consider a man), and that man (who you consider a woman) in the photos above to use the washroom that matches their birth certificates? Because that is what you're advocating for.

well it boils down to choice......SHE made the decision to have an operation and take the necessary drugs to grow facial hair, it was not my decision so please don't force me into her world..these are things her and others like her should have thought about before hand.

Godfather.

Force her into your world? Just how involved are you with random men in the washroom???

I guess that would come across as a gay washroom innuendo to a homophobe. In fact, that kind of context never even occurred to me when I said that.
No one is forcing you to comply with anything. You can just go about your business and you won't even know the difference... unless, of course, women who used to be men have to use the men's washroom they way you want them to. Then you'll probably notice when women walk in while you're taking a piss.

callen said:

mace1229 said:

I don't think the world is this black and white. Not everything comes down to discrimination and hate. I am a conservative and don't always agree with the stands that PJ makes or opinions posted here, but I try to understand why those views exist.
It is very common for those who don't agree with a liberal point of view to be labeled as hateful or discriminatory.
I'm pro-life. It is not because I hate women, nor do I even know anyone who is pro-life because they hate women and want to restrict them in any way. We have a different opinion about life and when it starts and hold the life of an unborn child just as valuable as another child. Hilary or Bernie would like you to believe my stance is because I discriminate against women, they could not be more wrong. Just as I don't believe anyone pro-choice is a murderer (please don't quote extremists and think they stand for us all. Idiots can be found in all groups on both sides and rarely represent the majority), I simply realize you have a different view about an unborn child, and that is okay. We can disagree, we can even disagree and still fight for what we believe in. Just don't call me ignorant and hateful because I believe something different than you. Doesn't anyone see the irony in that? How many people were called hateful in this forum alone for not agreeing with the band?

I have several women in my life; wife, mother, sisters, who feel uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a man purely on privacy issues or that we're just more disgusting. To give a man the right to chose which bathroom to use because he doesn't wish to share a bathroom with other men, you take that right away from women who doesn't wish to share a bathroom with a man either. The only issue I have with this debate is it seems like a catch 22. To give one person the right to chose you take that right away from the rest. Who gets to chose and who doesn't?

I don't think there is a perfect solution with or without this law, exceptions would exist in either case. If Pearl Jam doesn't agree with this law then they should stand up against it. That doesn't make me hateful if I don't agree though. In fact, I don't think this would even be a topic if everyone was more tolerable and understanding of the opposite views.

So your in favor of letting others choose as they will and are the side of pro choice laws?

No. As I said I am pro-life. It is my belief that you are a human being in the womb and deserve the right to live. Yes, women have rights of course, but I place the value of life even higher. If you do not agree I can understand and tolerate that and I will not call you a murderer (as some extremists do). And you are free to express your opinion in front of me without me belittling your values.

My point was conservatives are so often labeled as haters and discriminators and intolerant of others. My views and so many others are not out of hate. Scroll through these comments and see how many people have called those with similar beliefs to me a hater or disgusting. My point was I wish instead of instantly labeling someone a hater or homophobic, the world be better if we try to understand where other people come from. I have been called a sexist by most democrats running for office because I want to save the life of a child. How does believing in life make me a sexist? They want to use hate to push their goals, and, in my opinion, is very wrong. They use hate to get them elected. I see the same thing here...if you don't agree with the band there can only be one reason-you are intolerant of others (and can't you see the irony in that?).