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Many (most) Europeans are pretty culture-centric. They tend to be fiercely protective of their own unique cultures. Maybe this is because each nationality's culture is so unique while still living in such close quarters with each other in Europe? They place a lot of value on their particular ways of life, and often tend to feel that their way (in any number of contexts) is ultimately the superior way (whether theu want to admit it or not). There is a lot of nationalism going on (which is also true of other places btw - Europeans aren't the only ones; just look at how Americans are when ot comes to nationalism!! I often wonder if Americans and the French tend to "dislike" each other because they are SO similar in this way!). People simply feel like other cultures threaten their own. Simple as that. I suppose it's human nature. I also think this sense of threat goes up when religion is or may be a factor, largely because of what place religion has or does not have in government and law.ldent42 said:I don't understand the concerns for assimilation. Is Europe run by Cybermen?
I believe that most people would prefer assimilation in the end, because it's easiest for them. But I think that integration should be the goal. If it was working, i feel like most would feel much more accepting of new immigrants generally (not that them not feeling more accepting is cool - it's just a fact). And i feel like people are failing at encouraging integration, and that is why people are so defensive about the whole thing. If governments worked at encouraging integration of immigrants through several different means these problems revolving around immigration would probably settle down a lot. But that wouldn't be easy.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
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It is different in Europe, our individual cultures are extremely important to us, so it's true to say that we would fear their dilution I suppose0
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The 'dilution' you are talking about is common to every country. No one wants their country's culture to be changed because of migrants arriving that their govts agreed to take in. Since at least the fifties migrants have relocated to many countries and some have integrated, some have not. Some countries have good multi cultural policies, some do not. Most integration does not become evident for more than one generation. The migrants feel like visitors in their new country, they are the victims of rascist comments and their communities tend to stick together. Later generations do integrate but it's hard to see this right now when we as a world are being asked to be humanitarian and open our hearts and borders to people we think are very different to ourselves.
Another bit of food for thought......what would have happened when primitive man wandered across the world to populate new places if the people there had killed them instead of letting them stay? There would probably be very few humans anywhere, perhaps none!late PJ bloomer- what was I doing in the 90's that I didn't know who Pearl Jam was???0 -
II would speculate that primitive man was very territorial and guarded local resources fiercely against other peoples: much the same as we witness with chimpanzees.Jogill said:The 'dilution' you are talking about is common to every country. No one wants their country's culture to be changed because of migrants arriving that their govts agreed to take in. Since at least the fifties migrants have relocated to many countries and some have integrated, some have not. Some countries have good multi cultural policies, some do not. Most integration does not become evident for more than one generation. The migrants feel like visitors in their new country, they are the victims of rascist comments and their communities tend to stick together. Later generations do integrate but it's hard to see this right now when we as a world are being asked to be humanitarian and open our hearts and borders to people we think are very different to ourselves.
Another bit of food for thought......what would have happened when primitive man wandered across the world to populate new places if the people there had killed them instead of letting them stay? There would probably be very few humans anywhere, perhaps none!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Sadly, I have to agree. It's still a matter of active debate and research as to what the interaction was like between more modern humans and the Neanderthals. I believe it's clear that they co-existed in some areas and eventually homo sapiens won the day, but exactly how this occurred is unclear. I'm not sure that homo sapiens were that welcoming in areas where resources were tight.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
II would speculate that primitive man was very territorial and guarded local resources fiercely against other peoples: much the same as we witness with chimpanzees.Jogill said:The 'dilution' you are talking about is common to every country. No one wants their country's culture to be changed because of migrants arriving that their govts agreed to take in. Since at least the fifties migrants have relocated to many countries and some have integrated, some have not. Some countries have good multi cultural policies, some do not. Most integration does not become evident for more than one generation. The migrants feel like visitors in their new country, they are the victims of rascist comments and their communities tend to stick together. Later generations do integrate but it's hard to see this right now when we as a world are being asked to be humanitarian and open our hearts and borders to people we think are very different to ourselves.
Another bit of food for thought......what would have happened when primitive man wandered across the world to populate new places if the people there had killed them instead of letting them stay? There would probably be very few humans anywhere, perhaps none!my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Us... and them.oftenreading said:
Sadly, I have to agree. It's still a matter of active debate and research as to what the interaction was like between more modern humans and the Neanderthals. I believe it's clear that they co-existed in some areas and eventually homo sapiens won the day, but exactly how this occurred is unclear. I'm not sure that homo sapiens were that welcoming in areas where resources were tight.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
II would speculate that primitive man was very territorial and guarded local resources fiercely against other peoples: much the same as we witness with chimpanzees.Jogill said:The 'dilution' you are talking about is common to every country. No one wants their country's culture to be changed because of migrants arriving that their govts agreed to take in. Since at least the fifties migrants have relocated to many countries and some have integrated, some have not. Some countries have good multi cultural policies, some do not. Most integration does not become evident for more than one generation. The migrants feel like visitors in their new country, they are the victims of rascist comments and their communities tend to stick together. Later generations do integrate but it's hard to see this right now when we as a world are being asked to be humanitarian and open our hearts and borders to people we think are very different to ourselves.
Another bit of food for thought......what would have happened when primitive man wandered across the world to populate new places if the people there had killed them instead of letting them stay? There would probably be very few humans anywhere, perhaps none!"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
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Thanks for posting dignindignin said:The European Refugee Crisis and Syria Explained
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I hear ya. I remember at my old job when one of our London reporters visited the NYC office, and he was just shooting the shit with one of our NYC reporters about his recent trip to Spain. They were comparing notes about how it's changed since the NYC reporter had been there, and then London reporter said, "Yeah, Barcelona's got a real Muslim problem now." He said this like it was the most normal thing to say in the world. The NYC reporter snapped back, "Hey, you're in New York City now, pal! You can't talk your shit like that here!" Then I got up and introduced the London reporter to two Muslim editors who overheard his bigoted bullshit. I've never seen such a pale person turn so bright red so quickly.ldent42 said:It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
Oops.
We fired his ass after that.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
The dude prob blames the Muslims on his firing too.dankind said:
I hear ya. I remember at my old job when one of our London reporters visited the NYC office, and he was just shooting the shit with one of our NYC reporters about his recent trip to Spain. They were comparing notes about how it's changed since the NYC reporter had been there, and then London reporter said, "Yeah, Barcelona's got a real Muslim problem now." He said this like it was the most normal thing to say in the world. The NYC reporter snapped back, "Hey, you're in New York City now, pal! You can't talk your shit like that here!" Then I got up and introduced the London reporter to two Muslim editors who overheard his bigoted bullshit. I've never seen such a pale person turn so bright red so quickly.ldent42 said:It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
Oops.
We fired his ass after that.0 -
Ident, I knew it was a joke, but it made me think about what I posted too, because assimilation is what a lot of people really want and expect.ldent42 said:It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
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Pretty sure a Jew fired him, because, for the most part, New Yorkers have got each others' backs.badbrains said:
The dude prob blames the Muslims on his firing too.dankind said:
I hear ya. I remember at my old job when one of our London reporters visited the NYC office, and he was just shooting the shit with one of our NYC reporters about his recent trip to Spain. They were comparing notes about how it's changed since the NYC reporter had been there, and then London reporter said, "Yeah, Barcelona's got a real Muslim problem now." He said this like it was the most normal thing to say in the world. The NYC reporter snapped back, "Hey, you're in New York City now, pal! You can't talk your shit like that here!" Then I got up and introduced the London reporter to two Muslim editors who overheard his bigoted bullshit. I've never seen such a pale person turn so bright red so quickly.ldent42 said:It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
Oops.
We fired his ass after that.
You don't get to be the best city on earth by being narrow-minded and exclusionary.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
No way this is appropriate in an all ages forum.0
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The US and Canadian melting pots had the advantage of a bunch of cultures showing up at once and kicking the existing culture out.dignin said:Using France as an example for immigration is a red herring. We can all agree that what they have done there is the wrong way to settle people, congregating and isolating immigrants. We have many successful models to follow in other countries around the world. The US melting pot and the Canadian multi-cultural solutions being a great example.
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?Last-12-Exit said:No way this is appropriate in an all ages forum.
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I'm afraid the same tendencies as in the 1930's, are roaming Europe once again. Financial crisis in Europe have the tendency to need a scapegoat to take the blame for it... In the 1930's it were the Jews, now it's the Muslims. The political message is once again the same only the target names have changed. Mozes doesn't do it these days, Osama has done it now a days... In the last two decades, all criminal behavior is blamed on the Muslims, the high unemployment levels are blamed on the Muslims, The immoral change in society is... yep, blamed on the Muslims, The rise in costs of the health insurance, is blamed on the Muslims, because the are so unhygienic they spread diseases etc., etc.
It's unbelievable how the fear and hatred have been evolving the last decades. Maybe we have those kind of feelings as long as Muslims have been coming to work here in the 1060-1970. But in the earlier days, these kinds of open hostilities were not tolerated in society as a whole, since the end of the 1990 this has changed. The Multi- cultural society has been declared bankrupt, and since then the far right has declared it time to call the spade a spade.
In other words fear mongering and discrimination has became once again political strategy, and the fragile balance between different religions and different skin colors, becomes more and more under pressure,
Muslims are more and more becoming second hand subordinate citizens in Europe, as the Jews once were... I'm ashamed to be part of such a society...
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After seeing your excellent post in the WWII thread I was hoping you would put something similar here. Well done, Aafke!Aafke said:I'm afraid the same tendencies as in the 1930's, are roaming Europe once again. Financial crisis in Europe have the tendency to need a scapegoat to take the blame for it... In the 1930's it were the Jews, now it's the Muslims. The political message is once again the same only the target names have changed. Mozes doesn't do it these days, Osama has done it now a days... In the last two decades, all criminal behavior is blamed on the Muslims, the high unemployment levels are blamed on the Muslims, The immoral change in society is... yep, blamed on the Muslims, The rise in costs of the health insurance, is blamed on the Muslims, because the are so unhygienic they spread diseases etc., etc.
It's unbelievable how the fear and hatred have been evolving the last decades. Maybe we have those kind of feelings as long as Muslims have been coming to work here in the 1060-1970. But in the earlier days, these kinds of open hostilities were not tolerated in society as a whole, since the end of the 1990 this has changed. The Multi- cultural society has been declared bankrupt, and since then the far right has declared it time to call the spade a spade.
In other words fear mongering and discrimination has became once again political strategy, and the fragile balance between different religions and different skin colors, becomes more and more under pressure,
Muslims are more and more becoming second hand subordinate citizens in Europe, as the Jews once were... I'm ashamed to be part of such a society..."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
You're welcome, Brain.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee0 -
I mean I think if I try really hard I can kind of understand it. For example, a couple weeks ago I was in a Walmart in an area where you'd expect a Walmart. I needed to buy a tarp for tying shit up outside. For some unfathomable reason they were in the hunting section, with the guns and shit. I was scared. I didn't want to ask the gun keeper for help. There was a very frightening looking neckbeard guy looking at arrows. He scared me. And that is an unfair judgement based on my own ignorance of that culture. "Those people" are different to me. I am ignorant of their culture except for the really bad stuff I hear in the media. It's pretty much the same thing for someone living in a homogenous European country like Slovakia. They don't have any experience with or exposure to Muslim people/culture and they hear a bunch of negative shit in the media so that's what they base their opinions on. If you drop me in the middle of Appalachia I'm not gonna assimilate. I'm gonna be scared as hell and I'm gonna wish I was no longer stuck in Appalachia. And then over time as I get exposed to the local culture more I'll get over my bias and learn more about them and realize they're not so bad after all. I'm 99.9% sure that is how integration works. Still not sure why assimilation even has to be a thing in that case. Why can't I be part of the community while retaining my own culture? Why should I have to re-make myself in your image just so I can live in the same place as you? It's dumb.dankind said:
I hear ya. I remember at my old job when one of our London reporters visited the NYC office, and he was just shooting the shit with one of our NYC reporters about his recent trip to Spain. They were comparing notes about how it's changed since the NYC reporter had been there, and then London reporter said, "Yeah, Barcelona's got a real Muslim problem now." He said this like it was the most normal thing to say in the world. The NYC reporter snapped back, "Hey, you're in New York City now, pal! You can't talk your shit like that here!" Then I got up and introduced the London reporter to two Muslim editors who overheard his bigoted bullshit. I've never seen such a pale person turn so bright red so quickly.ldent42 said:It was a joke. A Doctor Who reference joke.
I've spent my entirely life in literally the most diverse place on the planet. I'm never gonna understand assimilation or calls for assimilation. So I was making fun.
Oops.
We fired his ass after that.
And no, I'm not proud of my prejudicial reaction to a redneck. It was wrong, I was wrong. The Europeans crying for assimilation are wrong. I feel like Oprah. You're wrong, you're wrong, EVERYBODY is wrong!!!
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