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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,944
    edited November 2015
    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,944
    edited November 2015

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan

    I had not heard of it either. Near Nepal.
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Posts: 2,682
    edited November 2015

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
  • dignin said:

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
    I was attempting to be diplomatic ;)
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881

    dignin said:

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
    I was attempting to be diplomatic ;)
    My parents were there last year if that helps.
  • eddiec said:

    dignin said:

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
    I was attempting to be diplomatic ;)
    My parents were there last year if that helps.
    What brought them there? Interesting choice for a holiday destination!
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,881

    eddiec said:

    dignin said:

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
    I was attempting to be diplomatic ;)
    My parents were there last year if that helps.
    What brought them there? Interesting choice for a holiday destination!
    This:
    image

  • eddiec said:

    eddiec said:

    dignin said:

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    Can it be considered a stereotype at this point?

    ;)
    I was attempting to be diplomatic ;)
    My parents were there last year if that helps.
    What brought them there? Interesting choice for a holiday destination!
    This:
    image

    Ok, I can see the attraction alright :)
  • http://www.idsnews.com/article/2015/11/pence-syrian-refugees?_h=851bab94-ab5c-432f-81d5-28fe2cbf6bb4

    They are fleeing ISIS yet Indiana Gov Mike Pence won't help....what a douche
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,767
    edited November 2015

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    HaH
    No i know all about Bhutan. It's a beautiful place whose govt. measures the GNH of its populace (gross national happiness). In fact I'm working on a trip to Bhutan/Nepal/Tibet hopefully next year.

    Based on what was written above, America supposedly took in 175, 000 refugees from Bhutan since 9/11. I did a little research and found that as of 2013 the population of Bhutan was 774, 000 and that there have been 73,000 Bhutanese who have immigrated to the U.S. over the years. So the number above can't apply to Bhutan.

    Todays geography lesson is concluded
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,944

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)

    dignin said:
    I understand your point. Assimilation is easier in the USA. I went through the last four years of data and it looks like roughly half of the refugees come from the Middle East, and of those half from Bhutan. So you can probably take that 750,000 refugee stat and change it to about 190,000 refugees since 911 from basically Iraq. We've let only a few hundred in from Syria. Of that 190,000 how many were women and young children? The number keeps getting smaller.

    Now, compare that to several million looking to enter Europe just from Syria and there is a different story. Assimilation isn't working well in Europe. ISIS is just a few years old so who knows what they have planned.
    Bhutan?
    That has to be some sort of spell check generated mistake.

    I really hope you're joking, otherwise you'll be confirming a couple of stereotypes about the geographical knowledge of Americans ;)
    HaH
    No i know all about Bhutan. It's a beautiful place whose govt. measures the GNH of its populace (gross national happiness). In fact I'm working on a trip to Bhutan/Nepal/Tibet hopefully next year.

    Based on what was written above, America supposedly took in 175, 000 refugees from Bhutan since 9/11. I did a little research and found that as of 2013 the population of Bhutan was 774, 000 and that there have been 73,000 Bhutanese who have immigrated to the U.S. over the years. So the number above can't apply to Bhutan.

    Todays geography lesson is concluded
    I had only looked at the last four years or so. I didn't review all 14 years.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529
    rgambs said:

    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

    i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    pjhawks said:

    rgambs said:

    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

    i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.
    I'm seeing hundreds of comments that go "if even 1 of the refugees is a terrorist we shouldn't let any in, it isn't worth the risk to America lives"
    That's pretty clear to me.
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  • AafkeAafke Posts: 1,219
    pjhawks said:

    rgambs said:

    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

    i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.
    The sad point of this sentiment is that most of the refugees suffered more from ISIS than any American or European, ever will do in his or her life.... Most of them are just fleeing from the terror ISIS and Assad are creating in Syria, it's shameful, how we are being lead by fear... By the way most terrorists in Europe are home breed second or third generation Muslims, no import... But I suppose it's easier to sell, for politicians that the enemy is from outside because then we don't have any responsibility in raising them...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    edited November 2015
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  • jerparker20jerparker20 Posts: 2,501
    pjhawks said:

    rgambs said:

    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

    i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.
    As someone who works with young adult refugees, all this fear mongering and xenophobic ranting in this country at this moment disgusts me to no end.
    These young people I work with are the most amazing, resilient, and thankful people I've ever met.

    When I hear these loons spouting shit like "would you take these people into your home," I gladly reply "Yes. Yes I would."

    I could go on, but I'll just get more pissed than I already am.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited December 2015
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,541

    pjhawks said:

    rgambs said:

    Has anyone else noted that the core of anti-refugee sentiment is the notion that American lives are inherently more valuable than Syrian lives? It's insane, and it's so widespread I am starting to feel as embarassed to be an American as I was in '01 to '08.

    i'm not sure i would characterize it exactly as that but it does feel a lot like the end of 2001. The 'drilling for fear' sentiment is just crazy by these so-called leaders. they make it seem like ISIS is going to be on every corner in America if we take refugees in. Pretty sad and frightening from so called leaders.
    As someone who works with young adult refugees, all this fear mongering and xenophobic ranting in this country at this moment disgusts me to no end.
    These young people I work with are the most amazing, resilient, and thankful people I've ever met.

    When I hear these loons spouting shit like "would you take these people into your home," I gladly reply "Yes. Yes I would."

    I could go on, but I'll just get more pissed than I already am.
    Well of course they are!
    They have been fully vetted and screened.
    The ones that are coming here have you numbskull they are been screened stringently at the camps that they are in as far as I know they are not washing up on our shores , man you are a fear monger of the highest level ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,541
    It takes approximately 12 to 24 months to process a refugee before they are granted access to this country ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/jeb-bush-gets-stumped-gop-candidate-cant-explain-how-refugees-will-prove-theyre-christian/

    you know...if you take a position like that shouldn't you expect a question like this?

    Total dumbass
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  • AafkeAafke Posts: 1,219

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/11/jeb-bush-gets-stumped-gop-candidate-cant-explain-how-refugees-will-prove-theyre-christian/

    you know...if you take a position like that shouldn't you expect a question like this?

    Total dumbass

    No Christians have never been on the side of terrorism... Wasn't the pope during WWII not pro Germany? And how about all those Crusades, all peaceful weren't they? Just an other walk in the park...
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  • What about this:
    “Is there just one in a million Syrians willing to fight for Syria? Is that the deal? Is it?” Matthews asked. “Would just one in a million Americans be willing to fight for our country?”

    Matthews continued his pondering over the two numbers by implying that the Islamic State could be taking Syria “from people who would rather leave for the West.”

    “Some said here last night that we can’t ask Syrians to fight for their country because they have families,” Matthews said. “Well, tell that to the American families, those we care most about, who have a member of their family on their fourth-deployment right now.”

    “Is it too much to ask that the Syrians lead the fight to retake Syria?” Matthew continued. “It is their country. Unless they’re willing to abandon it. And what do we think of people who do that? And besides, even if we, the United States and other European countries overthrew ISIS, we’d still have to turn Syria over to somebody. If we had Syrians playing the rightful part in the liberation of their country, they would be the ones taking it over.”

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/18/chris-matthews-briefly-breaks-with-left-highlights-two-numbers-on-syrian-refugee-crisis-that-dont-make-sense/
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    While some Americans and Canadians cower in fear and give in to terrorists, the French do the opposite.

    After Attacks, France Increases Its Commitment To Refugees

    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/18/3723440/france-refugees/

    Paris restaurants defy terrorism in the most French way possible
    Parisians dine and drink amid the chaos

    http://www.theverge.com/2015/11/18/9753906/paris-attacks-restaurant-bar-tous-au-bistrot-campaign

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