Refugee crisis

hmmmmmm..........thinking!!

rgambs said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Jogill said:

I think everyone needs to imagine it is themselves who is one of these refugees. Would you still all feel like these posts suggest??

Forget about being a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion, we are all HUMAN I hope.

If we were invaded by an alien life form tomorrow would you all still feel this way? Man as a species needs to be as one, not fractured like we all are right now.

All this bad feeling makes you wish we all could be united as a planet against SOMETHING!

I would hope that one day if I was a refugee I would be treated humanely.
I would also hope that one day there is no religion then there would be no more refugees to worry about.

I'm afraid the end of religion will not mean the end of war. Unfathomable as it is, man will continue to find reason to wage war

Maybe.
But for now we can take away the biggest reason.
Would be pretty hard to find another reason for war after religion is gone though.
Can you name one?

The only reason that has caused more wars and deaths than religion:
Greed.
Greed for money and power.
Here in America we didn't go to war in Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, or Mexico for religion, it was for money and power. We didn't have a Civil War over religion, it was for money and power.

Sadly true

The Indians were a LONG time ago and they had no idea who white people were. Do you really think they would be like that today? We all unfortunately are well versed about everything and everyone today via tv, the net etc etc or should I say misinformed often.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Jogill said:

I think everyone needs to imagine it is themselves who is one of these refugees. Would you still all feel like these posts suggest??

Forget about being a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion, we are all HUMAN I hope.

If we were invaded by an alien life form tomorrow would you all still feel this way? Man as a species needs to be as one, not fractured like we all are right now.

All this bad feeling makes you wish we all could be united as a planet against SOMETHING!

I would hope that one day if I was a refugee I would be treated humanely.
I would also hope that one day there is no religion then there would be no more refugees to worry about.

I'm afraid the end of religion will not mean the end of war. Unfathomable as it is, man will continue to find reason to wage war

Maybe.
But for now we can take away the biggest reason.
Would be pretty hard to find another reason for war after religion is gone though.
Can you name one?

Agree religion makes war easier. Stamp it out and feel it would be harder for leaders to get sacrificial humans to give their lives. Though acknowledge nationalism and race will be available.

Telling how republican field invokes Muslims in their campaigns and seems atheists are liberal peace lovers.

I just watched a very good exchange of ideas for this refugee crisis on Farkeed Zakarias Show on CNN.
All the contributors were taking a neutral stance for the most part,although 2 of them were more refugee support positions for this conversation.
Those same experts said that based on existing data of middle eastern refugees relocating to Europe there has been some big issues that need to be looked at before the flood gates open.

The big points were that there is still a huge unemployment issue with these folks who relocated in the past ,Also noted a general sense of apathy amongst those who have settled in the past really highlighting big assimilation issues and problems.

What I found most intriguing was when we get to second generation immigrants the above problems have manifested itself into a much higher rate of radicalization.Thats not an angle I had thought about.But a good question to ask.
So after these countries open up to large numbers of asylum seekers what happens down the road? Will failure to assimilate properly create future racial and nationalistic issues.
I know some have concerns about radicals in the refugee migration.Based on percentages I'm sure there is a couple bad apples but very small percentages of the whole.So I really don't think there is any big worry short term.But a decade or two down the road if economic stagnation and unemployment issues prevail,I can see that becoming an issue.
So many different complexities to contemplate.Weighing immediate humanitarian help with future concerns for the countries excepting the refugees.

rr165892 said:

I just watched a very good exchange of ideas for this refugee crisis on Farkeed Zakarias Show on CNN.
All the contributors were taking a neutral stance for the most part,although 2 of them were more refugee support positions for this conversation.
Those same experts said that based on existing data of middle eastern refugees relocating to Europe there has been some big issues that need to be looked at before the flood gates open.

The big points were that there is still a huge unemployment issue with these folks who relocated in the past ,Also noted a general sense of apathy amongst those who have settled in the past really highlighting big assimilation issues and problems.

What I found most intriguing was when we get to second generation immigrants the above problems have manifested itself into a much higher rate of radicalization.Thats not an angle I had thought about.But a good question to ask.
So after these countries open up to large numbers of asylum seekers what happens down the road? Will failure to assimilate properly create future racial and nationalistic issues.
I know some have concerns about radicals in the refugee migration.Based on percentages I'm sure there is a couple bad apples but very small percentages of the whole.So I really don't think there is any big worry short term.But a decade or two down the road if economic stagnation and unemployment issues prevail,I can see that becoming an issue.
So many different complexities to contemplate.Weighing immediate humanitarian help with future concerns for the countries excepting the refugees.

You speak to the complexities of the problem. It isn't quite as easy as some suggest. Short term... there are human lives who are desperate and need assistance. But there are long term implications that threaten the peace. France is experiencing this right now.

"France’s Muslim population has reached an estimated 6.5 million – roughly 10 per cent of the population – and many of them have assimilated poorly. Despite the billions of euros poured into immigrant-dominated “sensitive urban zones” since the riots of 2005, nothing has improved. Youth unemployment in these areas is upward of 40 per cent, according to The Economist. Sixty per cent of France’s prison inmates are of “Muslim religion or culture,” and the prisons have become breeding grounds for radicalization."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/frances-problems-are-in-plain-sight/article22359531/

There are many reasons for the 'poor assimilation' that do not rest entirely on the Muslim population's shoulders; but the problem exists and seems to be growing in magnitude as the population polarizes. I watched a disturbing RAW video that depicted the current reality and I didn't like what I saw: angry young Muslim men and fevered French nationalists.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

jnimhaoileoin said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Jogill said:

I think everyone needs to imagine it is themselves who is one of these refugees. Would you still all feel like these posts suggest??

Forget about being a Muslim, Christian, Buddhist, or any other religion, we are all HUMAN I hope.

If we were invaded by an alien life form tomorrow would you all still feel this way? Man as a species needs to be as one, not fractured like we all are right now.

All this bad feeling makes you wish we all could be united as a planet against SOMETHING!

I would hope that one day if I was a refugee I would be treated humanely.
I would also hope that one day there is no religion then there would be no more refugees to worry about.

I'm afraid the end of religion will not mean the end of war. Unfathomable as it is, man will continue to find reason to wage war

Maybe.
But for now we can take away the biggest reason.
Would be pretty hard to find another reason for war after religion is gone though.
Can you name one?

I think that the wars for resources are inevitable. Wars over water, food... obviously the war for oil has already been around for some time. Humans are great at finding reasons to go to war - they will never run out of them. They are always based on ether ideology or plain old need or greed. But yeah, the fewer reasons the better. I definitely like to Imagine no religion too.