confederate flag: offensive or historical? (part II)

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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,379
    eeriepadave said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/06/23/every-state-flag-is-wrong-and-here-is-why/

    Holy shit! They all really do suck. America knocked the Stars and Stripes out of the ballpark and then went into "fuck it" mode for the state flags.

    Each state should just take the best looking flag from their state universities and make that the official state flag.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,884
    edited June 2015
    eeriepadave said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/06/23/every-state-flag-is-wrong-and-here-is-why/

    :rofl: Omg, some of those are hilarious! I had no idea so many states had totally ridiculous state flags.... but I support a ridiculous state flag as long as it's not racially or sexually offensive, lol. Besides the confederate symbol, I think the Hawaiian one is particularly problematic.
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  • hedonist
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    PJ_Soul said:

    eeriepadave said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/06/23/every-state-flag-is-wrong-and-here-is-why/

    :rofl: Omg, some of those are hilarious! I had no idea so many states had totally ridiculous state flags.... but I support a ridiculous state flag as long as it's not racially or sexually offensive, lol. Besides the confederate symbol, I think the Hawaiian one is particularly problematic.
    The commentary really makes it.

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,153
    So S.C. house and senate has voted to agree to have the discussion about removal from statehouse grounds. Removal requires 2/3s in favor of removal by both chambers to comply with an earlier "heritage" law .


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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,234
    Jason P said:

    eeriepadave said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/06/23/every-state-flag-is-wrong-and-here-is-why/

    Holy shit! They all really do suck. America knocked the Stars and Stripes out of the ballpark and then went into "fuck it" mode for the state flags.

    Each state should just take the best looking flag from their state universities and make that the official state flag.
    I don't think they all suck. I am quite fond of the South Carolina flag. Also like New Mexico's flag.

    I know (hope) you're kidding about using university flags. For states that have multiple prominent universities, using just one of those flags would cause a bigger uproar than the debate on the Confederate battle flag. All of the Harvey Updykes of the world would come out in full force.
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,234
    mickeyrat said:

    So S.C. house and senate has voted to agree to have the discussion about removal from statehouse grounds. Removal requires 2/3s in favor of removal by both chambers to comply with an earlier "heritage" law .


    Later this year.

    Glad they've agreed to have this discussion. Also glad they didn't have a special session right now about it. They have more pressing concerns to deal with right now (like passing the state budget).
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,884
    edited June 2015
    mickeyrat said:

    So S.C. house and senate has voted to agree to have the discussion about removal from statehouse grounds. Removal requires 2/3s in favor of removal by both chambers to comply with an earlier "heritage" law .


    Later this year.

    How stupid, but how typical. Fuck, just make a damned decision. What, are they literally addicted to red tape and foot dragging, or is it more intentional than that?? They have to take a vote to agree to have a discussion about having a vote later this year???? That's laughable.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Just for amusement value on this topic, an incoherent argument from Ann Coulter against the removal of the confederate flag, on the grounds that the governor is an "immigrant" (although she apparently is not) and that "no greater army ever took the field than the Confederate Army" (although why did they lose, then? The quality of armies tends to be assessed by whether they win or not).

    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/garbage_woman_ann_coulter_doesnt_trust_nikki_haley_because_shes_an_immigrant/
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  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,341
    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    What's it going to accomplish to remove the flag from where it is currently flown in a prominent position on government property? It is going to at least take away the tacit approval that it, and what it stands for, gets from being flown in that location.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
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  • dignin
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    eeriepadave said:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/06/23/every-state-flag-is-wrong-and-here-is-why/

    I almost had a seizure when I got to Maryland.
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,234
    oftenreading said:

    Just for amusement value on this topic, an incoherent argument from Ann Coulter against the removal of the confederate flag, on the grounds that the governor is an "immigrant" (although she apparently is not) and that "no greater army ever took the field than the Confederate Army" (although why did they lose, then? The quality of armies tends to be assessed by whether they win or not).

    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/garbage_woman_ann_coulter_doesnt_trust_nikki_haley_because_shes_an_immigrant/

    Haley is not an immigrant. She is a first generation Indian-American. Her parents immigrated from India sometime in the 1960s, I believe.

    You can debate how good the Confederate Army was though. Some scholars believe that the Confederacy had an advantage as an army in terms of soldiers and leaders, but that poor strategic decisions made by the Confederate government led to the defeat.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    You won't forget the history by taking the racist flag down off of the state house grounds and putting it into a museum. Wow.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    markymark550 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Just for amusement value on this topic, an incoherent argument from Ann Coulter against the removal of the confederate flag, on the grounds that the governor is an "immigrant" (although she apparently is not) and that "no greater army ever took the field than the Confederate Army" (although why did they lose, then? The quality of armies tends to be assessed by whether they win or not).

    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/garbage_woman_ann_coulter_doesnt_trust_nikki_haley_because_shes_an_immigrant/

    Haley is not an immigrant. She is a first generation Indian-American. Her parents immigrated from India sometime in the 1960s, I believe.

    You can debate how good the Confederate Army was though. Some scholars believe that the Confederacy had an advantage as an army in terms of soldiers and leaders, but that poor strategic decisions made by the Confederate government led to the defeat.
    I agree with that and would add that the south did not have enough industry to sustain a war.
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,234
    Last-12-Exit said:

    markymark550 said:

    oftenreading said:

    Just for amusement value on this topic, an incoherent argument from Ann Coulter against the removal of the confederate flag, on the grounds that the governor is an "immigrant" (although she apparently is not) and that "no greater army ever took the field than the Confederate Army" (although why did they lose, then? The quality of armies tends to be assessed by whether they win or not).

    http://www.salon.com/2015/06/24/garbage_woman_ann_coulter_doesnt_trust_nikki_haley_because_shes_an_immigrant/

    Haley is not an immigrant. She is a first generation Indian-American. Her parents immigrated from India sometime in the 1960s, I believe.

    You can debate how good the Confederate Army was though. Some scholars believe that the Confederacy had an advantage as an army in terms of soldiers and leaders, but that poor strategic decisions made by the Confederate government led to the defeat.
    I agree with that and would add that the south did not have enough industry to sustain a war.
    Good point.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited June 2015
    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    Going to tell all the racist fucks that proudly wave this flag that many Americans object to their views.

    understand southern pride and it's just like liking a football team, typical human herd behavior. Problem many in this team suck and need to be called out.

    It is part of our history and sad that it's been used as it has.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,759
    callen said:

    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    Going to tell all the racist fucks that proudly wave this flag that many Americans object to their views.

    understand southern pride and it's just like liking a football team, typical human herd behavior. Problem many in this team suck and need to be called out.

    It is part of our history and sad that it's been used as it has.
    I honestly still don't get the southern pride thing, Callen. I can understand being proud of the accomplishments of an individual or group of people but I don't understand the concept of being proud of where one comes from. I can understand someone liking or even loving the place where they were worn or live but what is there to be proud of? I can kind of sort of understand being proud to be of Amish heritage because my ancestors lived lightly on the land but I would not say I'm proud to be of Lancaster region heritage. It's just a place, a piece of the whole that is the earth. I can't even say I'm proud to be an earthling because it's just one planet in an entire universe. I just don't get the regional pride thing.

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    brianlux said:

    callen said:

    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    Going to tell all the racist fucks that proudly wave this flag that many Americans object to their views.

    understand southern pride and it's just like liking a football team, typical human herd behavior. Problem many in this team suck and need to be called out.

    It is part of our history and sad that it's been used as it has.
    I honestly still don't get the southern pride thing, Callen. I can understand being proud of the accomplishments of an individual or group of people but I don't understand the concept of being proud of where one comes from. I can understand someone liking or even loving the place where they were worn or live but what is there to be proud of? I can kind of sort of understand being proud to be of Amish heritage because my ancestors lived lightly on the land but I would not say I'm proud to be of Lancaster region heritage. It's just a place, a piece of the whole that is the earth. I can't even say I'm proud to be an earthling because it's just one planet in an entire universe. I just don't get the regional pride thing.

    Brian, think Humans just yearn to be a part of a "Team". Whatever it is. Survival instinct and depending on threat and or benefit the teams will change. Look at Harley riders waving to each other. Fans of football teams. Being proud American. Hell we're all on team Pearl Jam. Just natural. After 9-11 we all banded together as Team America against Team Muslim Evildoer.

    Had a friend from New York that moved to Texas and he got tired of how Texans added Big as Texas, Texas sized sale, Texas edition Truck etc etc. I didn't notice as I'd been here for a while. Just part of our nature. Oh and this guy played Ten for me and I was hooked. Thanks Paul Riz.... if your out there.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,759
    callen said:

    brianlux said:

    callen said:

    joseph33 said:

    What is removing the flag gonna accomplish? If you forget your history you are destined to repeat it. It was a sick mentality that killed those people,not a symbol. I find the flag in poor taste myself,but you can never erase the ugly past America has.

    Going to tell all the racist fucks that proudly wave this flag that many Americans object to their views.

    understand southern pride and it's just like liking a football team, typical human herd behavior. Problem many in this team suck and need to be called out.

    It is part of our history and sad that it's been used as it has.
    I honestly still don't get the southern pride thing, Callen. I can understand being proud of the accomplishments of an individual or group of people but I don't understand the concept of being proud of where one comes from. I can understand someone liking or even loving the place where they were worn or live but what is there to be proud of? I can kind of sort of understand being proud to be of Amish heritage because my ancestors lived lightly on the land but I would not say I'm proud to be of Lancaster region heritage. It's just a place, a piece of the whole that is the earth. I can't even say I'm proud to be an earthling because it's just one planet in an entire universe. I just don't get the regional pride thing.

    Brian, think Humans just yearn to be a part of a "Team". Whatever it is. Survival instinct and depending on threat and or benefit the teams will change. Look at Harley riders waving to each other. Fans of football teams. Being proud American. Hell we're all on team Pearl Jam. Just natural. After 9-11 we all banded together as Team America against Team Muslim Evildoer.

    Had a friend from New York that moved to Texas and he got tired of how Texans added Big as Texas, Texas sized sale, Texas edition Truck etc etc. I didn't notice as I'd been here for a while. Just part of our nature. Oh and this guy played Ten for me and I was hooked. Thanks Paul Riz.... if your out there.
    Ha ha, gotta admit, Callen, I'm kind of proud to be part of Team Pearl Jam. Best fans anywhere. Big as Alaska, LOL!



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