confederate flag: offensive or historical? (part II)

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  • Dirtie_Frank
    Dirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    The flag should not be flown on any government buildings however, if a person feels they want to fly it on their house, car, etc. then that is their 1st Amendment Right. Just like it is a persons right to burn, or step on the flag. I do not agree with it, but that is the beauty of the United States.
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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Thought this was a new thread and got excited to see Cosmo posting.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    JimmyV said:

    How to recognize a prominent Republican who is no longer running for President:

    That's good stuff there
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,497
    The symbolism behind that battle flag still flying is pretty disturbing...maybe I'm reading too much into it but to have it still flying seems to suggest that the battle is still on and is yet to be won.
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  • brianlux
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    I'm thinking it would be helpful to have all these threads about the Confederate flag and the shootings merged rather than have three of them. Yes? No?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,775
    Dirtie_Frank said:

    The flag should not be flown on any government buildings however, if a person feels they want to fly it on their house, car, etc. then that is their 1st Amendment Right. Just like it is a persons right to burn, or step on the flag. I do not agree with it, but that is the beauty of the United States.

    Of course. It's their right to fly a Nazi flag if they want to (although I actually thought it was illegal to burn the US flag... did they change that law?). I just can't fucking believe that the SC government is still apparently refusing. My mind is actually boggled over this one..... Surely they'll give in soon... Right? I mean, the governor of SC is now saying it should be taken down. Just who is it making this decision if the governor can't make it happen??
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    PJ_Soul said:

    Dirtie_Frank said:

    The flag should not be flown on any government buildings however, if a person feels they want to fly it on their house, car, etc. then that is their 1st Amendment Right. Just like it is a persons right to burn, or step on the flag. I do not agree with it, but that is the beauty of the United States.

    Of course. It's their right to fly a Nazi flag if they want to (although I actually thought it was illegal to burn the US flag... did they change that law?). I just can't fucking believe that the SC government is still apparently refusing. My mind is actually boggled over this one..... Surely they'll give in soon... Right? I mean, the governor of SC is now saying it should be taken down. Just who is it making this decision if the governor can't make it happen??
    If it goes to vote sure it will pass. Like to see a politician now giving flag stamp of approval.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    9 states have license plate options with the Confederate flag on it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    This is what I was talking about earlier. It be great if the guy who did this DID represent the community (though I wish he had just cut it down instead of shoot it).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/douglas-anthony-cooper/outrage-sniper-shoots-dow_b_7624796.html

    In a crime that has outraged locals, a sniper has reportedly shot down the beloved Confederate flag that traditionally graces the Statehouse in Columbia, South Carolina. "This was clearly one very disturbed individual," said Council Chairman Harvey "Harve" Jeffcoat. "And I can tell you with certainty that he does not represent our community."
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  • WhatYouTaughtMe
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    Smellyman said:

    JimmyV said:

    How to recognize a prominent Republican who is no longer running for President:

    That's good stuff there
    Of course Lindsey Graham is now follwing suit and Walmart is going to stop selling confederate flag merchandise. It's a shame that a tragedy has to happen for these people to do the right thing. At least it's happening.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I'd prefer to talk about the victims in the shooting thread. I feel it's a disservice to them to talk about a symbol of hate on the same thread. Just my opinion.
  • mickeyrat
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    right on.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    The comparisons to the Nazi flag are fair given both are truly relics that significantly represent shameful eras. As collectible pieces, they are fine; however flying over the top of a state building is entirely different and quite frankly... stunning.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    Is this the correct pic for the state of Mississippi?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    Last-12-Exit said:

    I'd prefer to talk about the victims in the shooting thread. I feel it's a disservice to them to talk about a symbol of hate on the same thread. Just my opinion.

    Good thought there, L12.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    This may be a double post but is this the correct pic for the state of Mississippi?
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  • Stickman12
    Stickman12 Posts: 504
    So the question is historic or offensive. Personally I would say it was historic and a symbol for "southern pride". Which is all well and good. But the KKK adopted this flag and made it a symbol of their beliefs and ideals. This alone makes it offensive.
  • brianlux
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    Stickman12 said:

    So the question is historic or offensive. Personally I would say it was historic and a symbol for "southern pride". Which is all well and good. But the KKK adopted this flag and made it a symbol of their beliefs and ideals. This alone makes it offensive.

    There are many who propose that idea, Stickman, and that is often their main argument for keeping that flag.

    But I'd even argue the idea of Southern Pride. I'm not even sure what that kind of pride is. I mean, should I have "California Pride"? I think of pride as a good feeling about something one has achieved like, "I'm proud of having leaned how to improvise on the guitar in a mixolydian scale". How can I have California Pride? Did I somehow magically convince my father to move to California after WWII and arrange for him to marry my mother and procreate with her so that I could be born in California for the purpose of gaining California Pride? And do I get a flag for doing that? I don't get how that works.

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  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited June 2015
    “The Confederate flag is one of those symbols that should really only be seen on t-shirts, belt buckles and bumper stickers to help the rest of us identify the worst people in the world,” Oliver said.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5I_BB8Nt84
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  • WhatYouTaughtMe
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    Smellyman said:

    “The Confederate flag is one of those symbols that should really only be seen on t-shirts, belt buckles and bumper stickers to help the rest of us identify the worst people in the world,” Oliver said.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5I_BB8Nt84

    Great stuff. If you haven't seen his show, get on it people.

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