9 Dead in Shooting at Black Church in SC

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Shawshank said:

    fife said:


    I have heard different reports about the gun. one said that his dad got him the gun and others saying that the father gave him money for his birthday in which he bought the gun himself.

    here is a law that could be in place right now. if you want to buy a gun, everyone in your household must pass a background check.

    I can't imagine a state having laws where he would be allowed to legally purchase or carry a gun with a criminal background. If indeed he could, then that is just insanity and that is a law that definitely has to change. I would take it one step further and say everyone in your house has to pass a mental health evaluation. If you're on anti-psychotic medications you absolutely cannot own or have access to a firearm.

    sorry i assumed that a part of background check included a mental health evaluation.

    quick question and I am sorry if this is not in line with this tread but what in actuality is a part of a background check?
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    hedonist said:

    Is it about a specific culture or about this specific man? Not sure how much more info some of you have, but I don't know of his history and haven't read too much about him aside from the main, sweeping articles (and those photos - g sort of nailed his look with the comparison to Clockwork - the eyes, the facial expression. Jesus, he looks soulless).

    I can't get how this guy could sit for an hour in a church with these good people - spend time with them, listen to them - and then, simply kill them.

    It's about insecure weak ass whites.
    A racist thing to say, Callen. None of my white friends or I could even think of doing something like this and this very act has affected us greatly.

    I thought we were working at trying to eliminate broad, racial based comments.
    Did I need to add word " Some" to my statement? Thought it would be implied.
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  • Shawshank
    Shawshank Posts: 1,018
    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Shawshank said:

    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

    Private gun sales not monitored in Texas. No background check, only through dealers so wide open for anyone.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    callen said:

    Shawshank said:

    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

    Private gun sales not monitored in Texas. No background check, only through dealers so wide open for anyone.
    And just made open carry legal. Woo hoo
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  • The Waiting Trophy Man
    The Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    Is it just me or does anyone else hope this POS spends the next 50 years getting gangbanged by black guys?
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    callen said:

    Shawshank said:

    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

    Private gun sales not monitored in Texas. No background check, only through dealers so wide open for anyone.
    wow! i don't know why i am surprised by this but man. anyway, going back to this crime. apparently the governor has said that she hope that they will go for the death penalty.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    I read that his uncle said his parents gave him a handgun for his 21st birthday present. And that he was also a prior felon on drug charges. If true, his parents will be arrested, right?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    fife said:

    callen said:

    Shawshank said:

    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

    Private gun sales not monitored in Texas. No background check, only through dealers so wide open for anyone.
    wow! i don't know why i am surprised by this but man. anyway, going back to this crime. apparently the governor has said that she hope that they will go for the death penalty.
    Should be a slam dunk death penalty case. There will be excuses (mental illness, low IQ, someone put him up to it, etc.) None of them will explain away sitting with innocent people in a church for an hour before viciously murdering nine of them. That is the act of a cold-blooded killer.

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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    fife said:

    badbrains said:

    Saw an interview with the ex governor last night and he couldn't even get himself to admit that the confederate flag needs to come down in s. Carolina. So much racism in that state, the interview was on a street named after some racist (Calhoun) ?

    of course not, i am sure he said something along the lines that its has a deep meaning in the state and its great history.

    greatest country in the world right?
    That's basically what he said.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Nobody thinks that everyone in the South is racist, but there ia no question it is a serious problem.
    I don't care what historical perspective you try to give it, the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Jason P said:

    I read that his uncle said his parents gave him a handgun for his 21st birthday present. And that he was also a prior felon on drug charges. If true, his parents will be arrested, right?

    I don't know if that is the law or not. it would be great if they were arrested. i would also look into the family too. a kid doesn't get that much hate from thin air.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    badbrains said:

    fife said:

    badbrains said:

    Saw an interview with the ex governor last night and he couldn't even get himself to admit that the confederate flag needs to come down in s. Carolina. So much racism in that state, the interview was on a street named after some racist (Calhoun) ?

    of course not, i am sure he said something along the lines that its has a deep meaning in the state and its great history.

    greatest country in the world right?
    That's basically what he said.
    shock how i could have guessed that since I never heard that before ;)

  • g under p
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    JimmyV said:

    fife said:

    callen said:

    Shawshank said:

    fife said:

    apparently, south carolina doesn't do back ground checks on private gun sales so there is a way inwhich he could have bought a gun.

    Then yes, that is fucking stupid. I believe in Texas it's just a criminal background check.

    Private gun sales not monitored in Texas. No background check, only through dealers so wide open for anyone.
    wow! i don't know why i am surprised by this but man. anyway, going back to this crime. apparently the governor has said that she hope that they will go for the death penalty.
    Should be a slam dunk death penalty case. There will be excuses (mental illness, low IQ, someone put him up to it, etc.) None of them will explain away sitting with innocent people in a church for an hour before viciously murdering nine of them. That is the act of a cold-blooded killer.

    Now the local news here in FL are saying he was not going to go through with the shooting. Why, because the people In that church were so NICE to him. However, after sometime he went ahead with the shooting. This is horrible but this country is becoming more and decentized with these endless mass shootings.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    rgambs said:

    Nobody thinks that everyone in the South is racist, but there ia no question it is a serious problem.
    I don't care what historical perspective you try to give it, the Confederate flag is a symbol of racism.

    A relic that needs to be retired.
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,217
    fife said:

    Shawshank said:

    I seriously hope some of you aren't making blanket statements like the whole fucking state of South Carolina is racist, or that everyone who owns a gun is racist for fuck's sake. That would be just as ignorant as any other racist comment. I also don't know what gun laws would have prevented this. The fucking guy couldn't legally own a gun anyway. If you notice one of his pictures they posted was a prior mug shot, that pretty much limits your ability to legally own or carry a firearm in any state. His family, or dad or whoever the fuck gave him that gun should be hanging from a tree right next to him.

    I too am almost surprised at the hate I have this piece of shit. I have never been a fan of the death penalty, and I'm still not, but man...I sure would love to see this guy have to live in the GP of the most hardcore prison in this country. No doubt he would wish for death every day.

    I have heard different reports about the gun. one said that his dad got him the gun and others saying that the father gave him money for his birthday in which he bought the gun himself.

    here is a law that could be in place right now. if you want to buy a gun, everyone in your household must pass a background check.
    He would not have been able to purchase the gun himself from a registered dealer. You have to pass criminal background checks for that. I purchased a gun back in April and had to go through that process (oh the horror of someone purchasing a gun). Unfortunately, there's really no way to enforce or police anything with private sales/gifts, which is the case in this situation.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    markymark550 said:

    fife said:

    Shawshank said:

    I seriously hope some of you aren't making blanket statements like the whole fucking state of South Carolina is racist, or that everyone who owns a gun is racist for fuck's sake. That would be just as ignorant as any other racist comment. I also don't know what gun laws would have prevented this. The fucking guy couldn't legally own a gun anyway. If you notice one of his pictures they posted was a prior mug shot, that pretty much limits your ability to legally own or carry a firearm in any state. His family, or dad or whoever the fuck gave him that gun should be hanging from a tree right next to him.

    I too am almost surprised at the hate I have this piece of shit. I have never been a fan of the death penalty, and I'm still not, but man...I sure would love to see this guy have to live in the GP of the most hardcore prison in this country. No doubt he would wish for death every day.

    I have heard different reports about the gun. one said that his dad got him the gun and others saying that the father gave him money for his birthday in which he bought the gun himself.

    here is a law that could be in place right now. if you want to buy a gun, everyone in your household must pass a background check.
    He would not have been able to purchase the gun himself from a registered dealer. You have to pass criminal background checks for that. I purchased a gun back in April and had to go through that process (oh the horror of someone purchasing a gun). Unfortunately, there's really no way to enforce or police anything with private sales/gifts, which is the case in this situation.
    I would say yes there is no way to police private sales but i bet money that if you made it that all private sales had to go through a background check or else if the gun you sold was involved in a crime you would also be charged with some crime you would notice a increase in background checks in private sales.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    also, why not create a gun registry inwhich all guns had to be listed.
  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,217
    fife said:

    markymark550 said:

    fife said:

    Shawshank said:

    I seriously hope some of you aren't making blanket statements like the whole fucking state of South Carolina is racist, or that everyone who owns a gun is racist for fuck's sake. That would be just as ignorant as any other racist comment. I also don't know what gun laws would have prevented this. The fucking guy couldn't legally own a gun anyway. If you notice one of his pictures they posted was a prior mug shot, that pretty much limits your ability to legally own or carry a firearm in any state. His family, or dad or whoever the fuck gave him that gun should be hanging from a tree right next to him.

    I too am almost surprised at the hate I have this piece of shit. I have never been a fan of the death penalty, and I'm still not, but man...I sure would love to see this guy have to live in the GP of the most hardcore prison in this country. No doubt he would wish for death every day.

    I have heard different reports about the gun. one said that his dad got him the gun and others saying that the father gave him money for his birthday in which he bought the gun himself.

    here is a law that could be in place right now. if you want to buy a gun, everyone in your household must pass a background check.
    He would not have been able to purchase the gun himself from a registered dealer. You have to pass criminal background checks for that. I purchased a gun back in April and had to go through that process (oh the horror of someone purchasing a gun). Unfortunately, there's really no way to enforce or police anything with private sales/gifts, which is the case in this situation.
    I would say yes there is no way to police private sales but i bet money that if you made it that all private sales had to go through a background check or else if the gun you sold was involved in a crime you would also be charged with some crime you would notice a increase in background checks in private sales.
    Sure there would be an increase in background checks for responsible firearm owners. However, I don't think much would change amongst those with little or no regard to the law.

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