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  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    edited August 2014
    rgambs said:

    carved into a wall in a Nazi concentration camp: "If God exists, he will have to ask for MY forgiveness." powerful statement and totally true. If god monitors our lives he/she/it has alot of explaining to do. Millions of people have led lives that were nothing but pain and suffering. You can keep that "god has a plan" bullshit, if the plan is for a lifetime of pain and suffering this god doesnt deserve existence, let alone worship!

    Blaming an entity existing solely based on belief for one's hardship does not allow one to evolve whatsoever. Life is about finding ourselves, not blaming "God" for not giving us a more pampered life. What happened at the mercy of Nazi Germany was done by humans, not God.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    what is bollocks?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    edited August 2014
    chadwick said:

    who says god is only purely fantastic, pleasant, cheerful & only is for goodness? norse dick!
    god would be a nasty nasty energy just as equally surrounded by angels w/ harps playing in a waterfall pool sitting on rocks eating grapes or a tornado or whatever

    what humans (if we can call them humans) do alot of the time is evil. freewill isn't it?

    we've all heard the saying - "can't have good without bad" or however it is stated
    god & satan are one (hell aint on fire underground, heaven aint on clouds)
    get used to it


    The First Testament depicts God as a complete prick. Allah doesn't come off so cheery in the Koran either. The idea that he's only kind and loving is pretty new age, actually.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    backseatLover12 said:

    Literally? You really think that literally, God entertains all in Heaven and monitors all on earth? What's your answer?

    That's part of the message that's sold to young, influential minds.

    The message changes as people get wiser?
    No, since there are a whole heap of adults - otherwise intelligent ones - who sincerely believe such things until the day they die. And even believe that Bible is true, or that Jesus will come down and signal the apocalypse. It's fucking crazy. Never fails to amaze me, really.
    BTW, the most prayed for thing in America is supposedly that a favorite sports team wins. Lol.
    And those people have to right to believe whatever they want, as long is it comforts them, gives them hope, keeps them looking for a positive in their lives, whatever. It's not up to anyone else to say that their beliefs trump those of another. Because they don't.
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    chadwick said:

    what is bollocks?

    I think "bullshit"

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    yes i think you're right, dignin..bollocks is bullshit. i was meaning what statement or statements shared lead her or him to type in 'bollocks'.

    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    PJ_Soul said:

    chadwick said:

    who says god is only purely fantastic, pleasant, cheerful & only is for goodness? norse dick!
    god would be a nasty nasty energy just as equally surrounded by angels w/ harps playing in a waterfall pool sitting on rocks eating grapes or a tornado or whatever

    what humans (if we can call them humans) do alot of the time is evil. freewill isn't it?

    we've all heard the saying - "can't have good without bad" or however it is stated
    god & satan are one (hell aint on fire underground, heaven aint on clouds)
    get used to it


    The First Testament depicts God as a complete prick. Allah doesn't come off so cheery in the Koran either. The idea that he's only kind and loving is pretty new age, actually.
    God only chose the people that served him, the rest got defeated in war most times.
    But not without chance, when he destroyed the egyptians he rescued his people from slavery but also among them were egyptians who chose to walk with the true God, so story is you serve him your looked after, you dont you usually suffered in the 1st testament but things changed when Jesus came on earth to give chance to all human beings for Gods final Judgement day, because crime,war,destruction will get so bad. So there you have it, he is known to be a Jealous God wanting exclusive devotion to himself, fair enough because he made us and gave us everything.
    This is all from the bible
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    chadwick said:

    yes i think you're right, dignin..bollocks is bullshit. i was meaning what statement or statements shared lead her or him to type in 'bollocks'.

    Oh, Ha!

    That I can't help you with.

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    http://youtu.be/z9GXI_9DXF0

    i love this guy

    http://youtu.be/tZ0e8JRu_9U

    http://youtu.be/mlKdi81A-Pg

    http://youtu.be/Sk2inRRAcvA
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    chadwick said:

    who says god is only purely fantastic, pleasant, cheerful & only is for goodness? norse dick!
    god would be a nasty nasty energy just as equally surrounded by angels w/ harps playing in a waterfall pool sitting on rocks eating grapes or a tornado or whatever

    what humans (if we can call them humans) do alot of the time is evil. freewill isn't it?

    we've all heard the saying - "can't have good without bad" or however it is stated
    god & satan are one (hell aint on fire underground, heaven aint on clouds)
    get used to it


    This is bollocks
    God is only cruel when people were against him, yes he can be cruel but not without good reason, like when his people after being saved by slavery turn away from him to worship demons and false gods and incited him to jealousy after everything that he had done for them.
    Bit like your own kids defying you and listening to your enemies.
    And I admit he showed no mercy to those of the nations who were not his people but he also showed no mercy to his own when they turned to false gods, he killed them off.
    As for the bad in the world and freewill, yes we were all created with Gods quality of love but we have the freedom to not be Gods robots, we either choose life by serving him or death by defying him in his last day of judgement, and Gods enemy satan who was Gods good angel rebelled against God because he became proud and wanted worship for himself, so he became the first liar and slanderer. He was then cast out of heaven destined to be bound and destroyed one day, since he knows this he wants to mislead as many people as he can to go down with him just to taunt him, and God allows it because he has to prove a point to all the other angels in heaven that no man or angel other than God and Jesus can rule the world successfully and has the right.
    So meanwhile this is why they say it is the devils world he is ruling for the moment.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    naaa, the bible, christianity & other religions do not at all cut the mustard for me. to me these religious outfits do not at all represent god. i read your statement the other day & i knew

    i knew... that is all i will say about it
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    What statement of mine you read ?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JWPearl said:

    chadwick said:

    who says god is only purely fantastic, pleasant, cheerful & only is for goodness? norse dick!
    god would be a nasty nasty energy just as equally surrounded by angels w/ harps playing in a waterfall pool sitting on rocks eating grapes or a tornado or whatever

    what humans (if we can call them humans) do alot of the time is evil. freewill isn't it?

    we've all heard the saying - "can't have good without bad" or however it is stated
    god & satan are one (hell aint on fire underground, heaven aint on clouds)
    get used to it


    This is bollocks
    God is only cruel when people were against him, yes he can be cruel but not without good reason, like when his people after being saved by slavery turn away from him to worship demons and false gods and incited him to jealousy after everything that he had done for them.
    Bit like your own kids defying you and listening to your enemies.
    And I admit he showed no mercy to those of the nations who were not his people but he also showed no mercy to his own when they turned to false gods, he killed them off.
    As for the bad in the world and freewill, yes we were all created with Gods quality of love but we have the freedom to not be Gods robots, we either choose life by serving him or death by defying him in his last day of judgement, and Gods enemy satan who was Gods good angel rebelled against God because he became proud and wanted worship for himself, so he became the first liar and slanderer. He was then cast out of heaven destined to be bound and destroyed one day, since he knows this he wants to mislead as many people as he can to go down with him just to taunt him, and God allows it because he has to prove a point to all the other angels in heaven that no man or angel other than God and Jesus can rule the world successfully and has the right.
    So meanwhile this is why they say it is the devils world he is ruling for the moment.
    I love my children unconditionally.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Do you think God loves those who are killing each other at war at the moment ?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    you know what you wrote. it isn't like you've been here busy posting. go quote your comment. it is only a couple pages back
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JWPearl said:

    Do you think God loves those who are killing each other at war at the moment ?

    If my child became a mass murderer... I would still love him. I would not condone or support his deeds, nor defend him... but I would love him as much as I ever have.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    God forgives killers if theres repentence, he does love but if theres no repentence the alternative is destruction its his choice, I certainly dont question my creator
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    JWPearl said:

    "Thats because women are more disciplined, you find there are men out there with wisdom who are disciplined but they seem to be without their own kind so go figure, i've yet to meet any aside from the Christians I know"
    ............

    shows a great deal about you & your christians
    holier than thou much?
    i hope i never meet any of them

    quoting around here is driving me up a wall

    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Supposing there were such thing as aliens and they were to invade and destroy every living thing on earth, give me a reason why they should spare you if you did not even choose to follow there commands they left behind by their commander ? Well this is the way I view God and his choices accept the difference is, God does love and wants his people to serve him his way the way the good book was written with love only then do we have a standing before God really because who are we to question him when we are mere humans. But we have the freewill to choose.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    JWPearl said:

    God forgives killers if theres repentence, he does love but if theres no repentence the alternative is destruction its his choice, I certainly dont question my creator

    Again... I don't care what my children do- I love them without conditions. I never said anything about 'forgiving' my child- I wouldn't forgive the child for mass murder... I said that I would continue to love them regardless.

    You are taught to believe God will turn his back on you if you don't do what he wants. That doesn't sound like any profound love or anything great at all. I think you should question your creator.
    "My brain's a good brain!"

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