I've given up both religion and drugs in favor of this forum. I'm feeling both high and closer to the universe just reading this thread. Hallelujah whoopee!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I've given up both religion and drugs in favor of this forum. I'm feeling both high and closer to the universe just reading this thread. Hallelujah whoopee!
again... religion is man made, god is not. the two are seperate
I get what you're saying. But that doesn't make any sense. The only way that God even entered anyone's consciousness in the first place is through religion. There is no way the concept of God would exist if it weren't for religion.
Anyway, you saying that the God of almost everyone in the world (i.e. those who hold their faith in accordance with a religion) does not exist, but your own idea of God does, holds as much water as you think my Atheism does, right? Why do you seem so sure that the God of religion doesn't exist? That's not what most people believe.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i am saying & it is simple & has been stated several times. 50,000 - 40,000 - 30,000 - 20,000 & 10,000 years ago & quite possibly further back than this, us raw earth cave living spear & rock throwing meat eaters believed in god, several actually & depending what region one was from there were many gods.
rain gods gods of war gods of hunting god of sun & moon goddesses of the arts. (zeus's daughters is it? 9 muses?) (im not saying this is in flesh & blood or what god or goddesses are or are not or existed or didn't but it is cool as shit) greek mythology... cool stuff
this is why many still believe earth is alive in what we understand as living form & what we do not understand as spiritual (as in, the living body is done but the spirit is doing its thing) living. the planet gave our ancient ancestors everything they needed. they painted on cave walls: buffalo bears, wolves, mammoths & themselves... including the sun, moon, stars & what happens to be star people/aliens. there are paintings on rocks or walls of giant manlike beings among the average upright/man like beings. researchers are told ancient stories by tribal elders that those drawings are of sasquatch. anyhow
to say ancient man never believed in a higher power/god is out of order. religion is man made while the belief in god is not. religions fit what tree branch someone want to be apart of. lots of branches out there. sure religions believe in their god but that is to fit whatever group & has designed that religion around that society/group.
it is farelly easy to understand where i am coming from with all this.
christianity sprung up & at some point got out of control w/ the crusades. christians killed how many millions? pagans enjoy, love & kiss what they call 'mother earth' as their higher power. ding dong ding - here come the christians & their torture chambers. "you're a witching along for growing & harvesting herbs in the forest" or "you're a witch says a neighbor as you saw a ghost" or "you're a witch, become christian to save your very soul from hell's flaming oven" the list goes on & on. how about how extreme idiotic freaks treat women in some religions? hhmmm how about that. these people have it all scrambbled up as it is like other religions a bullshit man made control tool to handle the masses. this is not mother earth where we came from. this is not natural. this is horse dick
so why would ppl who wanna learn about spirituality attend catholic church or any other christian operation or whatever religious outfit? a link we can get some neat info from maybe.
Watching an episode of Dexter and this scene came on, kind of hit home in ways in light of this thread. How we perceive. The lines are between Dex and another dude who came around.
Saying it's in the name of God - the devil is busy.
You think he's using God as an excuse to kill?
People use God as an excuse for a lot of things. Just because he believes in some crazy bullshit, that don't mean his faith is any less real.
But if faith makes people do such crazy bullshit, what's the point of having it?
It's human nature. Gotta believe in something. Right? I mean, haven't you ever had a problem so big that you just couldn't handle it on your own?
Yeah.
Well, who helped you?
My dad.
Hmm. Well, you're lucky. You're blessed. That's a blessing. Faith, man, you put it in the wrong things fuck you up.
i am saying & it is simple & has been stated several times. 50,000 - 40,000 - 30,000 - 20,000 & 10,000 years ago & quite possibly further back than this, us raw earth cave living spear & rock throwing meat eaters believed in god, several actually & depending what region one was from there were many gods.
rain gods gods of war gods of hunting god of sun & moon goddesses of the arts. (zeus's daughters is it? 9 muses?) (im not saying this is in flesh & blood or what god or goddesses are or are not or existed or didn't but it is cool as shit) greek mythology... cool stuff
this is why many still believe earth is alive in what we understand as living form & what we do not understand as spiritual (as in, the living body is done but the spirit is doing its thing) living. the planet gave our ancient ancestors everything they needed. they painted on cave walls: buffalo bears, wolves, mammoths & themselves... including the sun, moon, stars & what happens to be star people/aliens. there are paintings on rocks or walls of giant manlike beings among the average upright/man like beings. researchers are told ancient stories by tribal elders that those drawings are of sasquatch. anyhow
to say ancient man never believed in a higher power/god is out of order. religion is man made while the belief in god is not. religions fit what tree branch someone want to be apart of. lots of branches out there. sure religions believe in their god but that is to fit whatever group & has designed that religion around that society/group.
it is farelly easy to understand where i am coming from with all this.
christianity sprung up & at some point got out of control w/ the crusades. christians killed how many millions? pagans enjoy, love & kiss what they call 'mother earth' as their higher power. ding dong ding - here come the christians & their torture chambers. "you're a witching along for growing & harvesting herbs in the forest" or "you're a witch says a neighbor as you saw a ghost" or "you're a witch, become christian to save your very soul from hell's flaming oven" the list goes on & on. how about how extreme idiotic freaks treat women in some religions? hhmmm how about that. these people have it all scrambbled up as it is like other religions a bullshit man made control tool to handle the masses. this is not mother earth where we came from. this is not natural. this is horse dick
so why would ppl who wanna learn about spirituality attend catholic church or any other christian operation or whatever religious outfit? a link we can get some neat info from maybe.
I was curious as to what my Google search would come up with if I typed in "Is God man made?" (Remembering, of course, that each of us will come up with a different Google search for the exact same search topic. An interesting concept covered elsewhere.) My search for these terms came up with this video as number one on the list. The speaker makes what seems to me to be some good points (especially the last one, his number 1 reason). But even if you disagree with the narrator I think you'll agree he has a pleasant voice, the images are wonderful and the music is great. Enjoy:
I was curious as to what my Google search would come up with if I typed in "Is God man made?" (Remembering, of course, that each of us will come up with a different Google search for the exact same search topic. An interesting concept covered elsewhere.) My search for these terms came up with this video as number one on the list. The speaker makes what seems to me to be some good points (especially the last one, his number 1 reason). But even if you disagree with the narrator I think you'll agree he has a pleasant voice, the images are wonderful and the music is great. Enjoy:
it makes so much sense doesnt it? No wonder godheads rely so heavily on faith.... that requires no sense beyond that of needing to invent the almighty.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I was curious as to what my Google search would come up with if I typed in "Is God man made?" (Remembering, of course, that each of us will come up with a different Google search for the exact same search topic. An interesting concept covered elsewhere.) My search for these terms came up with this video as number one on the list. The speaker makes what seems to me to be some good points (especially the last one, his number 1 reason). But even if you disagree with the narrator I think you'll agree he has a pleasant voice, the images are wonderful and the music is great. Enjoy:
it makes so much sense doesnt it? No wonder godheads rely so heavily on faith.... that requires no sense beyond that of needing to invent the almighty.
It certainly is a more passive way to view the world and the universe. But as long as it isn't being shoved at me, I try not to criticize too heavily those who follow that kind of path because I did once. Well, I tried to anyway, but it never really held up for me. Oddly enough, I find it easier now to accept that life is a mystery and more difficult to understand human behavior.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
since we cant express our thoughts, feelings, and concepts mind to mind we use these symbols called words to express them. Words have meanings that are largely objective, some of you would do well to remind yourself of this. Get a dictionary and look up "god"...it doesnt say "something bigger than us" or "what we dont understand". It says, in various forms, that god is a BEING that is held in various levels of importance. A BEING!! The universe isnt god, love isnt god, all of creation isnt god. You cant just make up your own definitions of words that have existed with the same meaning for thousands of years. This is why pantheism drives me up a friggen wall! You can say we are all connected, thats fine, but to say that everything is god is directly, demonstrably wrong according to the very words you use to claim such.
and how were we all organized together like this, with spleens and livers and elbows and knees, just by chance, how can that be? and what sparked life when there was no life. This was never explained to my satisfaction ever
you should study evolution, there are answers to each question excluding the last one, which is a loaded question that assumes life had to be "sparked", and isnt just a natural consequence of the physical laws of this universe.
so now the dictionary's defininition of god is the all & the end, no need to think or feel for one's self. im just giving my opinions here, that is all. so far i am not even the slightest bit impressed or convinced of a single thing any nonbelieves here have stated on the subject
i really like my spiritual self. therefore i feel if one feels they have a soul or spirit or whatever, that opens up belief. sorry but that is how im going down. since i was a young kid supernatural/paranormal happenings have been in my life. something much more intelligent & more open to the unknown (itself) than we are is out there & doing its thing. what is it? i don't know, it is alot of things.
believe what you want, i don't give a damn. i will say i feel confused with those who declare god does not exist. then you do not exist either, yes/no? it is not about looking outward for answers to anything, it is all inward.
its not about the dictionary...words have meanings, you dont get to change them...express what you want with another word besides god and most of the argument fizzles away. "god" is so loaded you do yourself a disservice using that word to describe such an engrossing theory of existence.
dictionaries change world over, languages, definitions & so on. god has different meanings. if one can define god they are writing a drunk dictionary. if one can read the definition of god they are reading a dictionary that is high as shit on crack
well then let me give my opinion based on your system. I feel that cucumber tabletops are something that cant be directly tangibled. I think that it is irrelevant if umbrella blood exists or not, as our taken senses seem to show non-existence. If you feel that brittle is a part of you and you are a part of brittle, then clearly you have the ice cream scoop!
well then let me give my opinion based on your system. I feel that cucumber tabletops are something that cant be directly tangibled. I think that it is irrelevant if umbrella blood exists or not, as our taken senses seem to show non-existence. If you feel that brittle is a part of you and you are a part of brittle, then clearly you have the ice cream scoop!
Someone having a spiritual / personal take different from another's is no reason to mock or condescend. All it does is stifle constructive conversation (which till recently I, for one, found pretty interesting).
Someone having a spiritual / personal take different from another's is no reason to mock or condescend. All it does is stifle constructive conversation (which till recently I, for one, found pretty interesting).
Are you referring to JWPearl when he/she said this: Thats because women are more disciplined, you find there are men out there with wisdom who are disciplined but they seem to be without their own kind so go figure, ive yet to meet any aside from the Christians I know
Because man... if that's not condescending... I don't know what is.
Someone having a spiritual / personal take different from another's is no reason to mock or condescend. All it does is stifle constructive conversation (which till recently I, for one, found pretty interesting).
I thought it was a very interesting way to use words and fun to read, not stifling at all. Different takes I guess.
yeah i didnt mean it to be mocking but i see that it does have that flavor..im a born smartass... What i meant was to point out the absurdity of 10 people arguing about the existence of something for which they dont even share a common definition.
Someone having a spiritual / personal take different from another's is no reason to mock or condescend. All it does is stifle constructive conversation (which till recently I, for one, found pretty interesting).
Are you referring to JWPearl when he/she said this: Thats because women are more disciplined, you find there are men out there with wisdom who are disciplined but they seem to be without their own kind so go figure, ive yet to meet any aside from the Christians I know
Because man... if that's not condescending... I don't know what is.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but frankly, that just threw me for a loop (and I may have responded to it; not sure though).
I just think it's kind of rude to poke fun at something so personal to some, but appreciate the further input from dignin & rgambs. Thank you.
since we cant express our thoughts, feelings, and concepts mind to mind we use these symbols called words to express them. Words have meanings that are largely objective, some of you would do well to remind yourself of this. Get a dictionary and look up "god"...it doesnt say "something bigger than us" or "what we dont understand". It says, in various forms, that god is a BEING that is held in various levels of importance. A BEING!! The universe isnt god, love isnt god, all of creation isnt god. You cant just make up your own definitions of words that have existed with the same meaning for thousands of years. This is why pantheism drives me up a friggen wall! You can say we are all connected, thats fine, but to say that everything is god is directly, demonstrably wrong according to the very words you use to claim such.
=D>
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
God can be anything to anyone. It's really absurd to limit it to what a dictionary, written by Merriam or Webster or urban or anyone else, says.
Otherwise, it's such a personal choice that I personally don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I know what I believe and that's all that matters. As long as you don't stick your beliefs in my face, that's fine too. Believe what you want.
Someone having a spiritual / personal take different from another's is no reason to mock or condescend. All it does is stifle constructive conversation (which till recently I, for one, found pretty interesting).
Are you referring to JWPearl when he/she said this: Thats because women are more disciplined, you find there are men out there with wisdom who are disciplined but they seem to be without their own kind so go figure, ive yet to meet any aside from the Christians I know
Because man... if that's not condescending... I don't know what is.
I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but frankly, that just threw me for a loop (and I may have responded to it; not sure though).
I just think it's kind of rude to poke fun at something so personal to some, but appreciate the further input from dignin & rgambs. Thank you.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I honestly try to be tolerant, but it is hard to be respectful when some devoutly religious person flaunts their religion and superiority in my presence. It tends to grate on me: some person who basically believes in fairy tales tells me I'm the shits because I don't. That type of narcissism is bothersome to say the least.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I honestly try to be tolerant, but it is hard to be respectful when some devoutly religious person flaunts their religion and superiority in my presence. It tends to grate on me: some person who basically believes in fairy tales tells me I'm the shits because I don't. That type of narcissism is bothersome to say the least.
Well, I don't disagree at all, in terms of that kind of pompousness (and I'd apply that to most any topic, not just religion and/or god).
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
The only way that God even entered anyone's consciousness in the first place is through religion. There is no way the concept of God would exist if it weren't for religion.
Anyway, you saying that the God of almost everyone in the world (i.e. those who hold their faith in accordance with a religion) does not exist, but your own idea of God does, holds as much water as you think my Atheism does, right?
rain gods
gods of war
gods of hunting
god of sun & moon
goddesses of the arts. (zeus's daughters is it? 9 muses?) (im not saying this is in flesh & blood or what god or goddesses are or are not or existed or didn't but it is cool as shit) greek mythology... cool stuff
this is why many still believe earth is alive in what we understand as living form & what we do not understand as spiritual (as in, the living body is done but the spirit is doing its thing) living. the planet gave our ancient ancestors everything they needed. they painted on cave walls: buffalo bears, wolves, mammoths & themselves... including the sun, moon, stars & what happens to be star people/aliens. there are paintings on rocks or walls of giant manlike beings among the average upright/man like beings. researchers are told ancient stories by tribal elders that those drawings are of sasquatch. anyhow
to say ancient man never believed in a higher power/god is out of order. religion is man made while the belief in god is not. religions fit what tree branch someone want to be apart of. lots of branches out there. sure religions believe in their god but that is to fit whatever group & has designed that religion around that society/group.
it is farelly easy to understand where i am coming from with all this.
christianity sprung up & at some point got out of control w/ the crusades. christians killed how many millions? pagans enjoy, love & kiss what they call 'mother earth' as their higher power. ding dong ding - here come the christians & their torture chambers. "you're a witching along for growing & harvesting herbs in the forest" or "you're a witch says a neighbor as you saw a ghost" or "you're a witch, become christian to save your very soul from hell's flaming oven" the list goes on & on. how about how extreme idiotic freaks treat women in some religions? hhmmm how about that. these people have it all scrambbled up as it is like other religions a bullshit man made control tool to handle the masses. this is not mother earth where we came from. this is not natural. this is horse dick
so why would ppl who wanna learn about spirituality attend catholic church or any other christian operation or whatever religious outfit?
a link we can get some neat info from maybe.
http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Nice post.
Watching an episode of Dexter and this scene came on, kind of hit home in ways in light of this thread. How we perceive. The lines are between Dex and another dude who came around.
Saying it's in the name of God - the devil is busy.
You think he's using God as an excuse to kill?
People use God as an excuse for a lot of things. Just because he believes in some crazy bullshit, that don't mean his faith is any less real.
But if faith makes people do such crazy bullshit, what's the point of having it?
It's human nature. Gotta believe in something. Right? I mean, haven't you ever had a problem so big that you just couldn't handle it on your own?
Yeah.
Well, who helped you?
My dad.
Hmm. Well, you're lucky. You're blessed. That's a blessing. Faith, man, you put it in the wrong things fuck you up.
This show kicked such round, plump, lovely ass.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
This is why pantheism drives me up a friggen wall! You can say we are all connected, thats fine, but to say that everything is god is directly, demonstrably wrong according to the very words you use to claim such.
i really like my spiritual self. therefore i feel if one feels they have a soul or spirit or whatever, that opens up belief. sorry but that is how im going down. since i was a young kid supernatural/paranormal happenings have been in my life. something much more intelligent & more open to the unknown (itself) than we are is out there & doing its thing. what is it? i don't know, it is alot of things.
believe what you want, i don't give a damn. i will say i feel confused with those who declare god does not exist. then you do not exist either, yes/no? it is not about looking outward for answers to anything, it is all inward.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I feel that cucumber tabletops are something that cant be directly tangibled. I think that it is irrelevant if umbrella blood exists or not, as our taken senses seem to show non-existence. If you feel that brittle is a part of you and you are a part of brittle, then clearly you have the ice cream scoop!
Because man... if that's not condescending... I don't know what is.
What i meant was to point out the absurdity of 10 people arguing about the existence of something for which they dont even share a common definition.
I just think it's kind of rude to poke fun at something so personal to some, but appreciate the further input from dignin & rgambs. Thank you.
Otherwise, it's such a personal choice that I personally don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I know what I believe and that's all that matters. As long as you don't stick your beliefs in my face, that's fine too. Believe what you want.
It goes both ways, though.