There is no god

catefrances said:

rollings said:

PJ_Soul said:

I just don't understand why any of these things have to be connected to some kind intelligent design or purpose. I consider this concept a symptom of human arrogance.

any of what things. any of everything?

I consider it a symptom of human humility. that would be the opposite of arrogance. :wink face:

Humility in the face of what..... an entity we invented to explain the the world around us in lieu of the intelligence we hadnt yet acquired to explain it?

oh good. explain us please. and the world around us

and how were we all organized together like this, with spleens and livers and elbows and knees, just by chance, how can that be? and what sparked life when there was no life. This was never explained to my satisfaction ever

who invented boobs?

rollings said:

Wait, I know about dust and spinning balls and stuff, and I understand about carbon-based stuff and things crawling out of the ocean, and the blue-footed boobys on that island, whatever its name is, but my question is, were we invented of the stars just so that we could realize they are stars?

no.

PJ_Soul said:

I don't write anybody off Hedonist. Just because I have views re religion and belief in god doesn't mean I look at people who do believe in god and write them off. I would be pretty fucking lonely if i did, lol. I just think they are wrong. Yes I wonder how anyone can believe in that shit. But it doesn't affect my personal relationships with people. I don't have to agree with people to respect them as people. Sorry if what I say offends anyone.... i guess. Not really, actually. I am totally comfortable with my views on the subject, lol. And so I should be. Yes, I think belief in god is absurd. That doesn't mean I think pretty much everyone on earth is absurd. The world is designed so that everyone grows up believing in god still.

And chadwick, I don't think that everyone who believes in God is scared. But that fear is the reason the concept grew and maintains itself.

What I do think is that believers should be working day and night trying to prove god. They wouldn't be able to of course, since god doesn't exist, but I think it is their responsibility to try and to then admit defeat when they can't. I think that should be their number one responsibility if they expect everyone in the world to live with religion guiding politics, history, culture, behaviour, etc. It really pisses me off that religion (which for the most part is completely rolled up with their belief in god) still plays this HUGE roll in human society. It makes me feel like I am a victim of the belief in god (and like everyone in the world is). That really isn't fair. It makes me mad that children are brought into this world that raises them to be a part of this mass delusion.

I just can't figure out the disconnect between "how can someone believe that shit" and "I respect them". That's on me, though.

You are not a victim by any means, PJ (and again, please note the difference between belief in "god" and religion, though if one is peaceful I have no problem with either or neither). You are FREE to believe or discount anything you want. I expect nothing from those who believe in something (to whom should they prove god? and why? to whose benefit?), same as for those who decry that same something. And those like me who are somewhere in between. How can you demand that someone have the onus to prove to you or anyone else what they believe? It's personal to them, it's not about you.

As to admitting defeat...not sure what that means? It's not a competition.

sidenote...I can't imagine anyone having this shit all figured out. Somewhere in this thread I think was mentioned mystery (brianlux?), and that's kind of where I stand.

I fucking hate this love/hate thing I have with this topic

brianlux said:

catefrances said:

rollings said:

and how were we all organized together like this, with spleens and livers and elbows and knees, just by chance, how can that be? and what sparked life when there was no life. This was never explained to my satisfaction ever

Define life.

Turns out this is harder to do than we might think. I was recently reading about anhydrobiotic organisms. They're tiny life forms found in places like desert water holes that go through a state of cryptobiosis. When the water they live in dries up, these critters form a tiny dry ball around themselves which also eventually dries up and remains in that form until moisture is reintroduced- which can be many months. They essentially become lifeless but when immersed in water they come back to life. Little Lazerus like critters. Fascinating!

Sounds like life to me brian. The fact that due to circumstances these lifeforms go into a period of suspended animation makes no difference. Humans have observed this interesting phenomenon and come to the conclusion youve described above... it doesnt mean at some stage the critters were dead and came back to life imo... but it does sound like quite a nifty evolutionary step.

JWPearl said:

Mans wisdom is futile, without God his advice and direction man have no hope,
theres my 2 cents worth, im not willing to argue my point either, I know what I know...

That may be so (though I couldn't say) but I do find, in general, women have a lot of wisdom, better advice and give better directions than men. And I'm fairly certain that's true.

JWPearl said:

Thats because women are more disciplined, you find there are men out there with wisdom who are disciplined but they seem to be without their own kind so go figure, ive yet to meet any aside from the Christians I know

That's because Christians rock! The non-Christians suck.

What are you asking from Santa Claus this year?

may i answer?
"define life."

time & everything in it: past, present & future unfoldings layered on top one another, string therory? life is more than a human can understand, this would be god

so 42^6 trillion suns would be god's eyeball