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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    Yes, I have delved deeply into the subject. Philosophy of religion courses, books, and i have explored several different religions. I used to attend various churches, even sent myself to various religious camps to learn more and understand the faithful. The more I learned the more clear it became that God doesn't exist.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    edited August 2014
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    ok good. Thank you for answering. So you believe solely in evolution then for the existence of us?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    rollings said:

    ok good. Thank you for answering. So you believe solely in evolution then for the existence of us?

    Yes. I believe in evolution. We are just another animal on Earth. A highly ingelligent but parasitic species, that got smart enough to outsmart natural selection. So it's all downhill from here. :)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, I have delved deeply into the subject. Philosophy of religion courses, books, and i have explored several different religions. I used to attend various churches, even sent myself to various religious camps to learn more and understand the faithful. The more I learned the more clear it became that God doesn't exist.

    why would you need religion courses, different religions, various churches & religious camps to find out if god exists or not? those are the last places one should delve into for any sort of answer

    in my opinion anyway

    again, religion is not god. religion would be man made, god is not
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    edited August 2014
    chadwick said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, I have delved deeply into the subject. Philosophy of religion courses, books, and i have explored several different religions. I used to attend various churches, even sent myself to various religious camps to learn more and understand the faithful. The more I learned the more clear it became that God doesn't exist.

    why would you need religion courses, different religions, various churches & religious camps to find out if god exists or not? those are the last places one should delve into for any sort of answer

    in my opinion anyway

    again, religion is not god. religion would be man made, god is not
    To understand faith in God, and to understand the organizations that basically control the world's population. It wasn't only a mission to decide on the existence of God. There are other factors to consider. I am fascinated in theology.
    Again, I am thoroughly aware of the non-organized ideas of God too. They are just as illogical, just as much a result of brainwashing from birth, just as much a man-made construct.
    Hey, I'm not trying to convince anyone. I am not that arrogant. I'm just expressing what I think (know ;) ).
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    chadwick said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, I have delved deeply into the subject. Philosophy of religion courses, books, and i have explored several different religions. I used to attend various churches, even sent myself to various religious camps to learn more and understand the faithful. The more I learned the more clear it became that God doesn't exist.

    why would you need religion courses, different religions, various churches & religious camps to find out if god exists or not? those are the last places one should delve into for any sort of answer

    in my opinion anyway

    again, religion is not god. religion would be man made, god is not
    good point.

    I meant to ask Pj Soul how she could so assuredly discount the existence of god. You're right, religious aspects, per se, are probably the last place to look. That would just be asking for more confusion.
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    you are thoroughly aware? yeah ok
    please enlighten us with your spirit

    thoroughly aware
    that alone is thoroughly arrogant
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    rollings said:

    chadwick said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Yes, I have delved deeply into the subject. Philosophy of religion courses, books, and i have explored several different religions. I used to attend various churches, even sent myself to various religious camps to learn more and understand the faithful. The more I learned the more clear it became that God doesn't exist.

    why would you need religion courses, different religions, various churches & religious camps to find out if god exists or not? those are the last places one should delve into for any sort of answer

    in my opinion anyway

    again, religion is not god. religion would be man made, god is not
    good point.

    I meant to ask Pj Soul how she could so assuredly discount the existence of god. You're right, religious aspects, per se, are probably the last place to look. That would just be asking for more confusion.
    Of course, I already explained this, but just wanted to mention that you guys on this subject are exactly the same as me to those who believe through an organized religion.
    I think that anyone who wants a leg to stand on when discussing this subject should probably have a good understanding of how the HUGE majority of the world believes in God.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    PJ_Soul said:

    rollings said:

    ok good. Thank you for answering. So you believe solely in evolution then for the existence of us?

    Yes. I believe in evolution. We are just another animal on Earth. A highly ingelligent but parasitic species, that got smart enough to outsmart natural selection. So it's all downhill from here. :)
    see, this is one thing that has never done it for me. I believe in evolution, but I believe it is driven by a life force, not just "nature".

    Like, the chance of all the elemental things in the universe that brought themselves together just exactly precisely in the size shape dimension formation and proximal distance to all other included necessary elements EXACTLY to form an eye ....JUST so that I have the ability to see, oh and there's two of them, oh, and they're embedded in my skull and attached to my brain, etc. etc. etc. and THAT just happening by chance seems like the real hogwash to me
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    like i said earlier, earth is god, universe is god, this is what millions of folks feel to be true... like the saying, 'mother earth' that is what that means
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    edited August 2014
    rollings said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    rollings said:

    ok good. Thank you for answering. So you believe solely in evolution then for the existence of us?

    Yes. I believe in evolution. We are just another animal on Earth. A highly ingelligent but parasitic species, that got smart enough to outsmart natural selection. So it's all downhill from here. :)
    see, this is one thing that has never done it for me. I believe in evolution, but I believe it is driven by a life force, not just "nature".

    Like, the chance of all the elemental things in the universe that brought themselves together just exactly precisely in the size shape dimension formation and proximal distance to all other included necessary elements EXACTLY to form an eye ....JUST so that I have the ability to see, oh and there's two of them, oh, and they're embedded in my skull and attached to my brain, etc. etc. etc. and THAT just happening by chance seems like the real hogwash to me
    Who said i don't believe in a life force? I do. That has nothing to do with God or evolution as far as I'm concerned. I have no evidence that would allow me to claim that a connection between livng things doesn't exist. I am also not willing to say with absolute surety that there is no after life. I doubt it. But in don't know. Again, what's that got to do with God?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • rollings
    rollings unknown Posts: 7,127
    ok. define God
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    chadwick said:

    like i said earlier, earth is god, universe is god, this is what millions of folks feel to be true... like the saying, 'mother earth' that is what that means

    YES, and this table is god, and my snot is god, and there goes my cat. She's god. Hey, there's a fly. God.
    Look, nature isn't god. All that is is renaming nature. As far as I can tell, your idea of god is actually just that it's a word in the English language that can be tacked on to anything and be called true.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    rollings said:

    ok. define God

    God is necessarily an intelligent and purposeful entity that is in some way connected to the existence and/or nature of the universe. That's what a god is. If you don't believe in that then you're just an atheist who has had the idea of god hammered into your brain by society so have a problem letting go of the concept even though you don't believe in it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    well your table - if wood - was a tree at one time, a living life force standing tall in a badass forest soaking up sunlight & water. renaming nature? i would say we modern humans renamed nature. 50,000 years ago did our ancestors call endless lands (fulla trees, plants, & critters) nature?
    no i am certain they did not. this was their mother not lands divided up/split/seperated & sold for coal, pollution, interstates, glass & steel tall ass cities
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,665
    'scuse me while I jump in here a second.

    Define God:

    Dictionary definition:
    1.(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
    2.(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

    My definition:
    1.The term used by humans to describe the indescribable.
    2. An inexplicable mystery or just Mystery.

    OK, sorry. Carry on. :-D
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    edited August 2014
    chadwick said:

    well your table - if wood - was a tree at one time, a living life force standing tall in a badass forest soaking up sunlight & water. renaming nature? i would say we modern humans renamed nature. 50,000 years ago did our ancestors call endless lands (fulla trees, plants, & critters) nature?
    no i am certain they did not. this was their mother not lands divided up/split/seperated & sold for coal, pollution, interstates, glass & steel tall ass cities

    Not sure what ancient people who knew nothing about anything have to do with it. Everything in the world was magic to them. So? But yes, you're right. The English language didn't exist back then.
    I have no clue what relevancy your comment about politics and economics has to do with it. If you're saying that people make the world progressively worse as we go along, I agree with you.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,731
    brianlux said:

    'scuse me while I jump in here a second.

    Define God:

    Dictionary definition:
    1.(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being.
    2.(in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

    My definition:
    1.The term used by humans to describe the indescribable.
    2. An inexplicable mystery or just Mystery.

    OK, sorry. Carry on. :-D

    I don't agree with your second definition, and I would change the first to "the concept used by humans to delude themselves into feeling like they know the thus far unknown in order to allay fears of said unknown."
    The term used to describe the indescribable is actually "ineffable". ;)
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited August 2014
    thank you, brian..

    "the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being."

    how about just the universe, not the creator of it at all, but it itself... & universes not just the one we buzz around in. i am assuming there are at least 7 or 3 universes out there, maybe more, yes/no?

    (like this here is god... bam im every universe that ever existed or will exist, all planets, suns, moons, meteors, dust fuckers & gas happenings, mass or no mass, pressure or imploding black holes or black holes having a bad day... a black hole is like one of god's pubic hairs

    time, time, time... all time that has ever existed or is being birthed or will be birthed
    all in the blink of an eye time expands & shrinks in all directions inside & out
    Post edited by chadwick on
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce

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