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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    he's been pretty damn dominant for 5 of his full 7 years in the league. and his rookie year, was one of the best in franchise history....

    again--- a top 10 pitcher year in, year out, don't see the need to even bring this up. the guy starts off slow ever year. and every year people like you talk about this nonsense.

    top 10 era--4 times
    top 10 wins--3 times
    top 10 whip---4 times...lead league in 08
    top 10 hits per 9---4 times
    top 10 walks per 9 ---4 times
    top 10 ko's per 9--3 times
    top 10 innings pitched---4 times
    top 10 strikeouts---6 times
    top 10 complete games---4 times
    top 10 shutouts---3 times....lead league in 09
    top 10 strikeout/walk ratio---7 times....his entire career, minus rookie season

    and he's only 30 and right in the prime of his career. the fact that the phils have had 2 other pitchers who are considered among the best of their generation should not alter your perception of just how great cole hamels has been over his career.



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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    The Juggler said:

    he's been pretty damn dominant for 5 of his full 7 years in the league. and his rookie year, was one of the best in franchise history....

    again--- a top 10 pitcher year in, year out, don't see the need to even bring this up. the guy starts off slow ever year. and every year people like you talk about this nonsense.

    top 10 era--4 times
    top 10 wins--3 times
    top 10 whip---4 times...lead league in 08
    top 10 hits per 9---4 times
    top 10 walks per 9 ---4 times
    top 10 ko's per 9--3 times
    top 10 innings pitched---4 times
    top 10 strikeouts---6 times
    top 10 complete games---4 times
    top 10 shutouts---3 times....lead league in 09
    top 10 strikeout/walk ratio---7 times....his entire career, minus rookie season

    and he's only 30 and right in the prime of his career. the fact that the phils have had 2 other pitchers who are considered among the best of their generation should not alter your perception of just how great cole hamels has been over his career.



    YEAR▲ W▼ L▼ ERA▼ GS▼CG▼SHO▼IP▼ SO▼WHIP▼
    2007 15 5 3.39 28 28 2 0 183.1 177 1.12
    2008 14 10 3.09 33 33 2 2 227.1 196 1.08
    2009 10 11 4.32 32 32 2 2 193.2 168 1.29
    2010 12 11 3.06 33 33 1 0 208.2 211 1.18
    2011 14 9 2.79 32 31 3 0 216 194 0.99
    2012 17 6 3.05 31 31 2 2 215.1 216 1.12
    2013 8 14 3.60 33 33 1 0 220 202 1.16

    can you tell me which of the 5 seasons above you consider dominating? he has had only one season with an era under 3.05 which 9 guys had last year in the NL. was Shelby Miller a dominating pitcher last year? he was 15-9 with an era of 3.06 and a whip of 1.21.

    maybe our definitions are just different but those numbers above to me scream very good but never (or maybe once) dominate.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Jeags -

    Why in God's name you humor this mouth breather is beyond me.

    Though, hilarious.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Jeags -

    Why in God's name you humor this mouth breather is beyond me.

    Though, hilarious.

    Haha

    I don't know...boredom, I guess.
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  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Juggler said:

    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Jeags -

    Why in God's name you humor this mouth breather is beyond me.

    Though, hilarious.

    Haha

    I don't know...boredom, I guess.
    Is Hamels a full blown ace Jeags? I personally think Cole is in the 2nd tier. The top tier would be King,Verlander,Scherzer,Jose Fernandez,Wainwright,Grienke,Kershaw,Darvish,Tanaka,Harvey,Lee. Being a 2nd tier pitcher means your damn good. But does it mean your worth 25 a year?
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    jamminpearls said:

    The Juggler said:

    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Jeags -

    Why in God's name you humor this mouth breather is beyond me.

    Though, hilarious.

    Haha

    I don't know...boredom, I guess.
    Is Hamels a full blown ace Jeags? I personally think Cole is in the 2nd tier. The top tier would be King,Verlander,Scherzer,Jose Fernandez,Wainwright,Grienke,Kershaw,Darvish,Tanaka,Harvey,Lee. Being a 2nd tier pitcher means your damn good. But does it mean your worth 25 a year?
    well he didn't answer my simple question about which of Cole's 5 seasons he considers dominate so i imagine he won't answer your question either.

    i agree with pretty much all those you list although Tanaka I'd say to be determined. I also think Gio Gonzalez might be better than him now as well.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Both of these knuckleheads are arguing apples to oranges without considering how much pitching is paid at an extremely exorbitant premium.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Both of these knuckleheads are arguing apples to oranges without considering how much pitching is paid at an extremely exorbitant premium.

    clearly you missed the part where i said i didn't a fuck about his contract.

    so do you think he is better than any of those pitchers listed above? and do you think Juggler was right in saying he has been dominate for 5 years?

    pretty simple yes/no questions. ill wait for your answers although i'm still waiting on Juggler to tell me which of the 5 years he thinks were 'dominate'.


  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    I wish Trout was here on a weekend.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    JK_Livin said:

    I wish Trout was here on a weekend.

    i'm heading down to the wednesday afternoon game. hopefully weather will be good. kind of a screwed up schedule with only 2 games and one being a mid-week afternoon.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    On a side note, the Blue Jays are the only team in the AL East with a positive run differential thanks to you facks



  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Both of these knuckleheads are arguing apples to oranges without considering how much pitching is paid at an extremely exorbitant premium.

    I love Hamels and I'm glad he's on the team. I blame Ruben for the contract is what i'm saying. If he payed him the year before the contract wouldn't be an issue. I think Cole is a top 20 guy,so i'm deff not beating him up.
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  • JK_Livin
    JK_Livin South Jersey Posts: 7,365
    No player will ever live up to $100+ million deal. Can Trout have better seasons than he has already? It will be tough for him.
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    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    JK_Livin said:

    No player will ever live up to $100+ million deal. Can Trout have better seasons than he has already? It will be tough for him.

    $100 million? Nonsense. Just because salaries are inflated compared to 10 years ago doesn't mean no one will live up to them.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    edited May 2014
    pjhawks said:

    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Both of these knuckleheads are arguing apples to oranges without considering how much pitching is paid at an extremely exorbitant premium.

    clearly you missed the part where i said i didn't a fuck about his contract.

    so do you think he is better than any of those pitchers listed above? and do you think Juggler was right in saying he has been dominate for 5 years?

    pretty simple yes/no questions. ill wait for your answers although i'm still waiting on Juggler to tell me which of the 5 years he thinks were 'dominate'.


    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    He's ranked in the top 10 of just about every statistical category that matters for a starting pitcher year in, year out.

    I guess I'm missing something here...



    of course you are. you missed the part of the story i posted where he is 44th in era since signing his contract.
    Your whole argument is based upon the contract.

    Logic is not your friend, friend.

    Ahh, this is great.

    And, yes, I would call the numbers Jeags put up dominant. Dude's a top 3/5 left-handed pitcher. No, but continue to make a mountain out of molehill. The irony is rich on your underappreciation of Cole Hamels and your complete ball slurping of Ryan Howard and Andy Reid.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    pjhawks said:

    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Both of these knuckleheads are arguing apples to oranges without considering how much pitching is paid at an extremely exorbitant premium.

    clearly you missed the part where i said i didn't a fuck about his contract.

    so do you think he is better than any of those pitchers listed above? and do you think Juggler was right in saying he has been dominate for 5 years?

    pretty simple yes/no questions. ill wait for your answers although i'm still waiting on Juggler to tell me which of the 5 years he thinks were 'dominate'.


    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    He's ranked in the top 10 of just about every statistical category that matters for a starting pitcher year in, year out.

    I guess I'm missing something here...



    of course you are. you missed the part of the story i posted where he is 44th in era since signing his contract.
    Your whole argument is based upon the contract.

    Logic is not your friend, friend.

    Ahh, this is great.

    And, yes, I would call the numbers Jeags put up dominant. Dude's a top 3/5 left-handed pitcher. No, but continue to make a mountain out of molehill. The irony is rich on your underappreciation of Cole Hamels and your complete ball slurping of Ryan Howard and Andy Reid.
    never once did i make any argument regarding his contract. if you can show me differently i'd surely admit i was mistaken.

    if calling a guy a 'very good pitcher' is under appreciating someone then by that standard i'm guilty but i don't think calling someone 'very good' is a negative in any way shape or form.

    if someone called ryan today or even in the past 'very good' i wouldn't have a problem with it. big difference between saying someone sucks, is a stiff and you'd rather have ross gload over him than calling cole hamels 'very good' don't you think? it's not like i said i'd rather have kyle kendrick over him. so there is no irony there at all.

    by your and jugglers definition there were something close to 10 dominant pitchers in the National League last year. I'd say there were 3 dominate pitchers in NL last year: Kershaw, Fernandez and Harvey.

    and if you disagree i'm fine with that. i'd rather hear why you disagree other than just lob shots at me though.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,529
    Again....
    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    He's ranked in the top 10 of just about every statistical category that matters for a starting pitcher year in, year out.

    I guess I'm missing something here...

    of course you are. you missed the part of the story i posted where he is 44th in era since signing his contract.
    I could do this all day. Hilarious.
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Again....

    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    He's ranked in the top 10 of just about every statistical category that matters for a starting pitcher year in, year out.

    I guess I'm missing something here...

    of course you are. you missed the part of the story i posted where he is 44th in era since signing his contract.
    I could do this all day. Hilarious.
    I don't think he's saying the contract was bad. I think he's saying since he signed it has he been elite. I'm not ripping Hamels either. My problem is with Amaro.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    edited May 2014
    Jearlpam0925 said:

    Again....

    pjhawks said:

    The Juggler said:

    He's ranked in the top 10 of just about every statistical category that matters for a starting pitcher year in, year out.

    I guess I'm missing something here...

    of course you are. you missed the part of the story i posted where he is 44th in era since signing his contract.
    I could do this all day. Hilarious.
    it is hilarious since you clearly have no comprehension at all. I have never once said Cole is not dominate because he earns $18 million a year. NEVER ONCE.

    the part about the contract was from the article i posted and was the starting point of where they talked about his era NOT BEING IN THE 10 as juggler stated. the CONTACT NUMBERS HAVE ZERO to do with my thoughts on Cole Hamels. i guess quoting from the article instead of saying since 2011 (or whenever the fuck he signed said contract) was wrong on my part. whether he earns $25 dollars of $25 million doesn't make him a better or worse pitcher.

    why is rating a player based on performance regardless of a contract such a hard concept for some people to fucking understand? i don't give a flying fuck what someone earns. because you earn less doesn't make you a better player and vice versa. I never have and never will care what a player earns. it's all about on-field performance.

    not this fucking difficult people. really isn't


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Wow

    This is hilarious...and a little sad at the same time.
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