PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

Ledbetterman10

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

pjhawks said:

Made in America - Kanye and Kings of Leon the headliners this year in Philly. no interest in that.

anyone making any treks for this Midwest PJ tour? still contemplating but not a lot of cities to get excited about visiting. Memphis might be cool. Wish they were playing Louisville. very underrated town.

Yeah I'm gonna go to Denver. Something new. I've never been there. Legal weed. Last year I was kinda disenchanted with the Philly 2 show I was at. Felt like the same old thing. Maybe cause I've seen like 15 PJ shows in Camden/Philly

I would like to go to the Denver show too but it's a Wednesday right? I think the only weekend show is fucking Detroit.

I'll be skipping this one probably...

Yeah the Wednesday thing sucks but it's par for the course these days with this band. I'm gonna fly out Tuesday night after work and fly home Friday morning. I'll only miss three days of work so that's not bad.

Wobbie

hey, fuckers.....sweep the d**gers. OK? thanks!

eeriepadave

imalive said:

hey, fuckers.....sweep the d**gers. OK? thanks!

don't think that's gonna happen ,sorry.

We might get no hit by Beckett.

The Juggler

my brother does that stupid fan duel fantasy game. like a one day fantasy game instead of a league. the fucker picked beckett specifically because he was going up against the phillies. and he voluntarily texted this info to me 5 minutes after the game ended to gloat. if we were in person with him, i swear i would've punched him in the face. that's the same thing as betting against your own team.

he's a fraud. i disowned him as a brother.

Wobbie

eeriepadave said:

imalive said:

hey, fuckers.....sweep the d**gers. OK? thanks!

don't think that's gonna happen ,sorry.

We just got no hit by Beckett.

thanks a lot, fuckers.

Cliffy6745

I have been thinking a no hitter against the phillies was in the cards for a while but it had to be josh fucking Beckett

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 said:

I have been thinking a no hitter against the phillies was in the cards for a while but it had to be josh fucking Beckett

I liked Beckett when he was a Marlin. sorry, cliffy, probably not a good memory for you.

Cliffy6745

imalive said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I have been thinking a no hitter against the phillies was in the cards for a while but it had to be josh fucking Beckett

I liked Beckett when he was a Marlin. sorry, cliffy, probably not a good memory for you.

By far my least favorite player in all of baseball for that among many other reasons

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 said:

imalive said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I have been thinking a no hitter against the phillies was in the cards for a while but it had to be josh fucking Beckett

I liked Beckett when he was a Marlin. sorry, cliffy, probably not a good memory for you.

By far my least favorite player in all of baseball for that among many other reasons

can you at least admit he showed incredible poise to win the clincher at yankee stadium?

if you can't, I understand )

Ledbetterman10

imalive said:

Cliffy6745 said:

imalive said:

Cliffy6745 said:

I have been thinking a no hitter against the phillies was in the cards for a while but it had to be josh fucking Beckett

I liked Beckett when he was a Marlin. sorry, cliffy, probably not a good memory for you.

By far my least favorite player in all of baseball for that among many other reasons

can you at least admit he showed incredible poise to win the clincher at yankee stadium?

if you can't, I understand )

Showed poise? More like he made the Bombers his bitch on short rest. I love that game. I was watching it with a couple of Yankees fans and it was a delight.

Let's relive it shall we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbZ-PcbDBmM

Cliffy6745

Phillies fans want to start reliving Yankees World Series games?

eeriepadave

actually looking/playing better today (of course shouldn't be that hard to do, lol)

Ledbetterman10

Cliffy6745 said:

Phillies fans want to start reliving Yankees World Series games?

Hey we gotta troll you from time to time too right?

Cliffy6745

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Phillies fans want to start reliving Yankees World Series games?

Hey we gotta troll you from time to time too right?

True, true. That series was just a kick in the nuts after Boone

Wobbie

I noticed from the Beckett box score that Howard has a worse BA than Pablo Sandoval. that's weak.

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Phillies fans want to start reliving Yankees World Series games?

Hey we gotta troll you from time to time too right?

True, true. That series was just a kick in the nuts after Boone

I hate the Yankees, but I think I hate the fact that the fucking Marlins organization has won 2 titles in the last 20 years a little more.

pjhawks

imalive said:

I noticed from the Beckett box score that Howard has a worse BA than Pablo Sandoval. that's weak.

before yesterday Ryan has been really bad in May but even with that he is still on a 32 home run 103 RBI pace...not that people around here think home runs and rbi's matter.

scarier than Ryan's numbers are the Phils have used 2 young (#youthmovement) reserved middle infielders this year that are a combined 6-73 (.082 ba) in Galvis and Hernandaz. throw in 2 other back up infielders they have used this year in Jason Nix and Reid Brignac and it brings their backup infielder totals up to 13-117 (.111 ba). impressive numbers.

The Juggler

pjhawks said:

imalive said:

I noticed from the Beckett box score that Howard has a worse BA than Pablo Sandoval. that's weak.

before yesterday Ryan has been really bad in May but even with that he is still on a 32 home run 103 RBI pace...not that people around here think home runs and rbi's matter.

scarier than Ryan's numbers are the Phils have used 2 young (#youthmovement) reserved middle infielders this year that are a combined 6-73 (.082 ba) in Galvis and Hernandaz. throw in 2 other back up infielders they have used this year in Jason Nix and Reid Brignac and it brings their backup infielder totals up to 13-117 (.111 ba). impressive numbers.

why would you compare howard to two really young reserve players? when people say they want this team to get younger, they're not talking about these guys. these are guys you would want to develop into serviceable utility players.

I obviously like howard more than most but he has no more excuses now. he's healthy for the first time in 3 years and he's just not performing nearly as well as they need him to to be a halfway decent team this year. here is where he ranks among just first basemen:

avg- 20th
hr- 12th (among all hitters, he is 37th)
rbi- 9th (among all hitters, he is 25th)
obp- 19th
slg- 16th
so- 1st
bb- 13th

gotta be better. hopefully he heats up, consistently, soon...

pjhawks

wasn't really a direct comparison just pointing out the horrific numbers from galvis and hernandez. the good news is our best prospect is still in the minors while the 2 guys given a chance before him are hitting at an impossibly low rate to this point.

agree 100% on Ryan to this point. I thought he was ok to good in April but has just been bad in May before yesterday. don't have the numbers but seemed like walked alot more in april than recently. to me he just needs to drive the ball more. i've never been one to care what his batting average is (or strikeouts...the most overrated thing mentioned with ryan). he needs to hit more home runs and drive in runs.

The Juggler

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

It sucks that Asche got hurt because he was playing good ball over the last few weeks. He's a guy who you hope can be a starter (probably at a different position) for the foreseeable future.......and if that doesn't pan out, I can see him being similar to what Greg Dobbs was in his prime.

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Phillies fans want to start reliving Yankees World Series games?

Hey we gotta troll you from time to time too right?

True, true. That series was just a kick in the nuts after Boone

I hate the Yankees, but I think I hate the fact that the fucking Marlins organization has won 2 titles in the last 20 years a little more.

when it happened, it was 2 in 10.

Wobbie

The Juggler said:

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

strikeouts are NOT "just another out." with a SO, you can't advance a runner, induce an error, etc. I do, however, believe the old saying "if you think you're gonna hit into a double play, strike out." probably especially true for the not so fleet Howard.

Cliffy6745

The one thing I hate about baseball today is the number of strikeouts. Obviously a completely different game than back in the day but the fact that victor Martinez is being heralded for having less strikeouts than home runs a month and a half into the season is funny to me.

Joe d had 9 more strikeouts then home runs over his entire career

Now obviously that is not the norm but put the fucking ball in play

The Juggler

imalive said:

The Juggler said:

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

strikeouts are NOT "just another out." with a SO, you can't advance a runner, induce an error, etc. I do, however, believe the old saying "if you think you're gonna hit into a double play, strike out." probably especially true for the not so fleet Howard.

Haha...really????

You take the good with the bad. In his MVP year he struck out 181 times. Only Dunn struck out more. Difference is he hit .313 and had a .425 obp....and now he's batting .239 with a .313 obp.

pjhawks

imalive said:

The Juggler said:

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

strikeouts are NOT "just another out." with a SO, you can't advance a runner, induce an error, etc. I do, however, believe the old saying "if you think you're gonna hit into a double play, strike out." probably especially true for the not so fleet Howard.

well i think that theory depends on the player, position in the lineup and what asked to do. if i cut down on strikeouts but hit 10-15 less homers in a season is it worth it? for some players i would say no.

The Juggler

pjhawks said:

imalive said:

The Juggler said:

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

strikeouts are NOT "just another out." with a SO, you can't advance a runner, induce an error, etc. I do, however, believe the old saying "if you think you're gonna hit into a double play, strike out." probably especially true for the not so fleet Howard.

well i think that theory depends on the player, position in the lineup and what asked to do. if i cut down on strikeouts but hit 10-15 less homers in a season is it worth it? for some players i would say no.

Wait...that doesn't make sense. It's not an either or thing. If he cut down on strikes outs, odds are his home run totals will increase just with him putting more balls in play....

pjhawks

The Juggler said:

pjhawks said:

imalive said:

The Juggler said:

I agree on the strikeouts with Howard but he has got to hit for a higher average.

strikeouts are NOT "just another out." with a SO, you can't advance a runner, induce an error, etc. I do, however, believe the old saying "if you think you're gonna hit into a double play, strike out." probably especially true for the not so fleet Howard.

well i think that theory depends on the player, position in the lineup and what asked to do. if i cut down on strikeouts but hit 10-15 less homers in a season is it worth it? for some players i would say no.

Wait...that doesn't make sense. It's not an either or thing. If he cut down on strikes outs, odds are his home run totals will increase just with him putting more balls in play....

disagree. i think he could put more balls in play if he concentrated on just making contact but that would lead to more singles and thus a higher average but not more home runs necessarily. many home run hitters swings result in higher home runs and higher k's. justin upton, dan uggla are just two other examples currently. and there are many hitters in history including michael jack schmidt.

and this last comment above from you totally contradicts your point above about Ryan's MVP Season where he struck out 181 times but hit 58 home runs. are you suggesting he could have hit 65-70 home runs if he cut down on the strikeouts? that's a leap that i don't think you can make.

The Juggler

Dude you take the good with the bad. You sound like you enjoy all the strikeouts. If he didn't strike out 181 times in '06, he probably would have hit a few more, sure.

Dan Uggla is garbage.

Just because you're a power hitter doesn't mean you also have to strikeout at such a high rate.

Schmidt averaged 127 strikeouts per year. Howard averages....193. Please don't compare Michael Jack to Howard. Schmidt cut down his KO's as he got older and hit more home runs and his average rose as he got older too. Howard is the exact opposite compared with Schmidt.

The Juggler

Schmidt also lead the league in walks 4 times.

Haha

Wobbie

in 2004, Bonds hit .362, 45 HR, 41 SO, 232 BB, .609 OBP