Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

pandora · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

alcohol doesn't cause DUIs. People drinking alcohol irresponsibly cause DUIs. And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism

We don't want teens drinking, and so there are restrictions. There is a clear law in every state against underage drinking of any kind of alcohol. Parents should monitor that too, but we don't put all of the responsibility for them for that. Liquor stores help enforce the restrictions. I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

no, but their parents are addicted to buying rifles.

Do you think this a rational conclusion, that the parents are addicted?

Is this a generalization of all rifle owners or just some?

Do you call a rifle in the house an addiction?

How many rifles make an addiction to you?

Does it make a difference that they are used for sport?

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

alcohol doesn't cause DUIs. People drinking alcohol irresponsibly cause DUIs. And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism

We don't want teens drinking, and so there are restrictions. There is a clear law in every state against underage drinking of any kind of alcohol. Parents should monitor that too, but we don't put all of the responsibility for them for that. Liquor stores help enforce the restrictions. I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

right but, the only person you're slowly killing when smoking is yourself, you can't kill a bunch of people in a matter of min's by smoking.. also their are no smoking commercials that have been endorsed by the government and smoking advertisement has been heavily regulated in the past 20 years.

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism .

Bowchicka-pow-pow!

redrock · August 2012

comebackgirl wrote:

And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism .

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

no, but their parents are addicted to buying rifles.

Do you think this a rational conclusion, that the parents are addicted?

Is this a generalization of all rifle owners or just some?

Do you call a rifle in the house an addiction?

How many rifles make an addiction to you?

Does it make a difference that they are used for sport?

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

Zoso · August 2012

JonnyPistachio wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism .

Bowchicka-pow-pow!

I've never ever heard that used as a euphemism for 'that' before.. American maybe

I still have a lot to learn it seems.

dimitrispearljam · August 2012

redrock wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

And no...I've never seen a gun lead to teenage pregnancy, unless you're using *gun* as a euphemism .

norm · August 2012

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action!

:wave:

pandora · August 2012

redrock wrote:

hedonist wrote:

We're all on the same level here.

No?

It's much easier to have a discussion when one knows where one stands and when one is upfront (and not pussy foot about) when it come to things that have an impact on said discussioni. Being a gun 'owner' would naturally give some biais to a discussion the same as one says not being a gun owner makes one a victim, waiting for something to happen or enabling others to be victims.

Say what?
Totally disagree with your statement for the gun owner does it effect the gun opponents
though is the question? make them biased?

I personally have no bias towards gun owners or non gun owners.
I believe in a person's basic right to protect life and property.
And I respect those who choose to not do so with a gun
and those who do as long as it is legally and responsibly.

I do not believe in taking the right to choose away from people.

redrock · August 2012

combackgirl wrote:

.... I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

combackgirl wrote:

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!

Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · August 2012

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

There are stricter regulations in place to make sure someone under 18 doesn't buy nicotine. I went to buy a bottle of wine the other day and I had to show 2 forms of ID. These loopholes are dangerous.

Yes of course as it should be. Cigarettes a real danger to the young, not imagined.
The same for alcohol leading to DUI's and teen pregnancy and drug use...
something responsible gun possession does not do.

Some are assuming underage kids are buying weapons without their parents knowing...
how? Unless, of course they are doing so on the street. Which we all know criminals are doing,
whatever age. But we can not punish the law abiding thoughtful for the thoughtless
with criminal intentions.

Parents would be very negligent to not monitor their credit cards or bank accounts
their children use.
So again enforce the laws we have, punish adults who are providing
and allowing gun possession
through irresponsible parenting and irresponsible selling.
There are vastly more responsible young hunters and target shooters
owning a rifle with their parents knowledge who are safety trained
then any escaping through the cracks.

the rest of your post (shown above) had nothing to do with the statement about cigarettes. it is very much in context. I was not misrepresenting anything. you are just backtracking on what you said now.

redrock · August 2012

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Zoso · August 2012

I don't think we should rank what is more dangerous or what is more regulated. Obviously a great law is the regulation of alcohol purchasing.. So when why can you buy a gun online with minimal fuss? It doesn't make sense at all.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · August 2012

pandora wrote:

I think cigs are a much bigger problem because of sheer numbers of course.

ok, so you just stated again what I thought. You think cigarettes are a bigger problem than guns.

to my knowledge, when I was a smoker,I never killed anyone with one.

pandora · August 2012

Zoso wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · August 2012

looking back at the last few pages, I've realized that I can no longer sensibly debate with someone who seems to care more about the welfare of dogs than for children who could become victims of a firearm accident.

unbelievable.

Zoso · August 2012

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.

'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.

JonnyPistachio · August 2012

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

redrock · August 2012

I just did a quick google in order to purchase firearms online. Wow... just wow. Sure, it would seem that of them you have to 'register' in order to purchase, but this is no different to many other sites that sell anything from cake making items to small electrical appliances. I tried a site, registering with an address at which I used to live many years ago. Then I chose my gun and ammo then went to check out. I even had the choice to put in a different billing and delivery address. Oh, and I had to tick a little thing saying I understood the 'Terms and Conditions' (again like one does for a number of sites. I did stop when I got to the point of entering credit card details.

Not saying that all sites are like that, but wow... This one was on the 5th page of my google search.

Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

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