Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

gimmesometruth27

pandora wrote:

Do you think this guy is your average law abiding person that owns a gun?

Do you think he owns his gun responsibly as millions and millions do?

Was his gun legal at all?

I would say too bad there was not a responsible person there carrying to stop this guy...
because one again the police are there to clean up a crime scene, after the fact.

yes i do think he was your average gun owner. probably bought it legally and probably had a permit. he did not carry it into the bar, which was a wise and responisble choice, but then he went out and got it, came back in gun a blazin.

and i am sorry pandora, introducing more guns into a dark strip bar in the middle of a mass panic would have probably caused more death. this is why most public places have signs that say "no guns allowed inside this establishment".

JonnyPistachio

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

"so i got a shitty lap dance that was only 2 songs instead of the 3 i thought i paid for, so i am going to go shoot up the strip bar now...."

:fp:

guns are a great idea!

i guess the gun did not kill these three innocent people..

:roll:

Cops: Unhappy patron kills three at Alabama strip club

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... strip-club?

I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....

i am sorry. you can not start an altercation, shoot someone, and then claim self defense.

Hold on Gimme, come to FLorida where our laws are tough -- you can start an alttercation and shoot someone dead and claim self defense remember!?

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

"so i got a shitty lap dance that was only 2 songs instead of the 3 i thought i paid for, so i am going to go shoot up the strip bar now...."

:fp:

guns are a great idea!

i guess the gun did not kill these three innocent people..

:roll:

Cops: Unhappy patron kills three at Alabama strip club

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... -club?lite

Three people were shot and killed and another injured by a dissatisfied patron of a strip club in Alabama late Thursday, police say.

Houston County Sheriff Andy Hughes told NBC News the shooting happened at Teasers, a topless nightclub outside of Dothan, Ala.

Police arrested the alleged shooter, Ryan Clark Petersen, 22, at 7:30 a.m. CT and charged him with three counts of capital murder and one count of attempted murder.

Authorities received a call about a shooting around 11:30 p.m. Thursday. When deputies arrived on scene, they found four people who had been shot.

Hughes said that a dispute erupted in the club after Petersen complained about a dancer's performance and began touching her. A club employee asked Petersen to leave and escorted him outside. Petersen then allegedly went to his car and retrieved a handgun and reentered the night club and opened fire.

The victims of the shooting included one of the club’s female dancers, a male employee and a male patron.

Hughes said police are not releasing the names of the victims until their families have been notified.

The nightclub, in the Wicksburg community just west of Dothan, is about 100 miles southeast of Montgomery.

Do you think this guy is your average law abiding person that owns a gun?

Do you think he owns his gun responsibly as millions and millions do?

Was his gun legal at all?

I would say too bad there was not a responsible person there carrying to stop this guy...
because one again the police are there to clean up a crime scene, after the fact.

No one knew he was going to do this. At what point would they shoot him? When he touches the dancer? On his way to the car? By the time he's shooting people would be too stunned to react. After he stops shooting?

gimmesometruth27

JonnyPistachio wrote:

[Hold on Gimme, come to FLorida where our laws are tough -- you can start an alttercation and shoot someone dead and claim self defense remember!?

i was talking about alabama. they are much more sophisticated that you floridians

JonnyPistachio

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

[Hold on Gimme, come to FLorida where our laws are tough -- you can start an alttercation and shoot someone dead and claim self defense remember!?

i was talking about alabama. they are much more sophisticated that you floridians

haha, Hard to compare the crazies really. :P

pandora

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

"so i got a shitty lap dance that was only 2 songs instead of the 3 i thought i paid for, so i am going to go shoot up the strip bar now...."

:fp:

guns are a great idea!

i guess the gun did not kill these three innocent people..

:roll:

Cops: Unhappy patron kills three at Alabama strip club

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... strip-club?

I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....

What was ever responsible about this guy?

Are you just assuming the gun was legally purchased or do you have facts to back that up?

Is it now responsible behavior to grope a dancer? :fp:

the guy was a jag clearly and by his actions alone definitely not a responsible citizen

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

"so i got a shitty lap dance that was only 2 songs instead of the 3 i thought i paid for, so i am going to go shoot up the strip bar now...."

:fp:

guns are a great idea!

i guess the gun did not kill these three innocent people..

:roll:

Cops: Unhappy patron kills three at Alabama strip club

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08 ... strip-club?

I'm sure this responsible gun owner (most probably gun purchased legally...) was only only using his gun in self defense and that the people that got shot deserved it. After all, he felt ripped off....

What was ever responsible about this guy?

Are you just assuming the gun was legally purchased or do you have facts to back that up?

Is it now responsible behavior to grope a dancer? :fp:

the guy was a jag clearly and by his actions alone definitely not a responsible citizen

Guys grope girls in strip clubs every night. They get thrown out, go home and sleep it off. This guy had easy access to a gun and used it. Another obvious example that gun control is needed.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

No one knew he was going to do this. At what point would they shoot him? When he touches the dancer? On his way to the car? By the time he's shooting people would be too stunned to react. After he stops shooting?

really? you don't know much about the license to carry folk do you?

I think the establishment themselves should have had protection and
been well aware of the retaliation that is possible with disgruntled patrons.

This could have been easily avoided and has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership
except they needed some there. We have off duty cops in our places like this to help
protect citizens.

redrock

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am sorry. you can not start an altercation, shoot someone, and then claim self defense.

Can't you? Damn... but I thought guns were owned to 'protect'! :?

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

Guys grope girls in strip clubs every night. They get thrown out, go home and sleep it off. This guy had easy access to a gun and used it. Another obvious example that gun control is needed.

No ... a rent a cop would have done fine :fp:
cannot punish the thoughtful because of the thoughtless ...

the answer is always more government control ... when so many incidents like this can be avoided
with good common sense.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

No one knew he was going to do this. At what point would they shoot him? When he touches the dancer? On his way to the car? By the time he's shooting people would be too stunned to react. After he stops shooting?

really? you don't know much about the license to carry folk do you?

I think the establishment themselves should have had protection and
been well aware of the retaliation that is possible with disgruntled patrons.

This could have been easily avoided and has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership
except they needed some there. We have off duty cops in our places like this to help
protect citizens.

I know how the brain works during trauma and that most people will first freeze in a situation like this. Having cops there is great. I don't think the average citizen should be expected to be armed and ready to react. The shooting could be easily avoided if there were stricter access to guns in the first place.

redrock

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

No one knew he was going to do this. At what point would they shoot him? When he touches the dancer? On his way to the car? By the time he's shooting people would be too stunned to react. After he stops shooting?

really? you don't know much about the license to carry folk do you?

I think the establishment themselves should have had protection and
been well aware of the retaliation that is possible with disgruntled patrons.

This could have been easily avoided and has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership
except they needed some there. We have off duty cops in our places like this to help
protect citizens.

Condescending again?

I am sure the establishment would have some kind of firearm. But I am also sure that, should the establishment wish to stay open, this firearm would have been stored responsibly (under lock and key). Someone blazes in, shooting, not much chance to get to this responsibly held firearm, is there? They have 'club employees' which I am sure are there for security.

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

No one knew he was going to do this. At what point would they shoot him? When he touches the dancer? On his way to the car? By the time he's shooting people would be too stunned to react. After he stops shooting?

really? you don't know much about the license to carry folk do you?

I think the establishment themselves should have had protection and
been well aware of the retaliation that is possible with disgruntled patrons.

This could have been easily avoided and has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership
except they needed some there. We have off duty cops in our places like this to help
protect citizens.

Have you ever been in a dark club? What's anyone gonna do in a matter of seconds to stop them?

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

I think the establishment themselves should have had protection and
been well aware of the retaliation that is possible with disgruntled patrons.

This could have been easily avoided and has nothing to do with responsible gun ownership
except they needed some there. We have off duty cops in our places like this to help
protect citizens.

That's also just a guess and a very biased one. You dont know the details either. He very well may have retrieved his weapon and concealed it until he shot and killed someone. In that case, there is usually nothing you can do until the violence starts.

redrock

comebackgirl wrote:

I know how the brain works during trauma and that most people will first freeze in a situation like this. Having cops there is great. I don't think the average citizen should be expected to be armed and ready to react. The shooting could be easily avoided if there were stricter access to guns in the first place.

This 'freeze' thing is a well known and documented fact - in all traumatic situations, not just shootings. But you know this - it's your area of expertise.

Off duty cops... hmmm... only if they are not twitchy and there are no dogs allowed in the establishment

pandora

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

i am sorry. you can not start an altercation, shoot someone, and then claim self defense.

Can't you? Damn... but I thought guns were owned to 'protect'! :?

against criminals of course ...
I know you get this ... owned by responsible law abiding citizens,
bought legally...

anyone know his criminal record yet? His past?

So much assumption wonder what will be found out.
Again an off duty cop prepared for just this was needed.

Just the sight of a gun in a place like this...
behavior is effected positively where there are cops and license to carry holsters,
not going to start trouble.

redrock

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Just becasue there are a lot of something, doesnt prove need. it proves there is a mrket because of our culture. Does anyone need cigarettes? nope.

... and there will always be those who will want to maximise profit from that market.

redrock

pandora wrote:

anyone know his criminal record yet? His past?

Why automatically bring 'negative' assumptions up? Lots of guys are jerks and don't have criminal records. Lots of 'responsible' gun owners are complete jerks but seem to be OK in some people's books (one famous name springs to mind - TN anyone?).

Just like the guy who ate the face off another guy.. automatically assuming it was bath salts (and whole 'debate' ensuing this) when he had nothing more than marijuana in his system.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

I know how the brain works during trauma and that most people will first freeze in a situation like this. Having cops there is great. I don't think the average citizen should be expected to be armed and ready to react. The shooting could be easily avoided if there were stricter access to guns in the first place.

How so? what laws would that be?

Do you know if this is a legal gun even? Do you know if he is a felon and
should not even have a gun in his possession by law?

And because one man does this others should not have access to guns
or what would make it stricter for this guy and not others?

As far as freeze it is more an awareness of surroundings, foreseeing trouble,
this what carriers learn. And they are prepared.

redrock

pandora wrote:

As far as freeze it is more an awareness of surroundings, foreseeing trouble,
this what carriers learn. And they are prepared.

Highly trained professionals cannot be fully prepared - why would someone who bought a gun legally over the internet be? How could someone who took a couple of shots at well lit, still target in an appropriate environment, taking all his/her time to do so be prepared?

You know it's not true. Just listen to the ones with expertise and experience on this thread. There are a couple!