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  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I said personally I do not own a gun but that does not mean I am unprotected ...

    I also told you for me to defend the second amendment I do not need to be a gun owner.
    That might be you and many here.... "everyone do as I do" syndrome
    I will not presume because I don't own a gun that none should or
    disregard the need, the right to defend one's life.

    Are you saying that there is a gun in your house? If there is, would you use it to shoot someone if your husband wasnt home and someone broke in and you felt threatened?
    that might be dumb, I am blonde but not that dumb ;)

    I have never held a gun... I'd go for the switchblade myself ;) I do target practice with those :lol:

    My fear is someone will hurt my dogs, I'm ready to leave this world but not at the expense
    their heavenly loyalty.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pandora wrote:
    I was also thinking about the abortion debate...
    I will start by saying I am pro choice as with the gun debate.

    Many gun opponents speak of the children lost to accidents,
    why they want stricter laws or banning of guns entirely.

    We have made abortion a right with the passing of a law....
    a right to take a human life.
    The number of abortions is staggering per year, lives that would have been children.

    As I said I am pro choice but I would like additional restrictions put on abortion,
    to spare lives.
    That would be removing some rights... effecting choice.

    I won't change this to an abortion debate ...
    I think I made my point though.

    I would not infringe on the choice nor the rights of others because I myself think
    abortion is a choice way over used in the world, resulting in a horrific loss of life.

    Call me stupid, but I do not see what you are getting at here. What exactly is the point you are trying to make as it relates to the right to bear arms?

    You say you are pro choice. You say you would like to see some changes. Then you say, "I would not infringe on the choice nor the rights of others because I myself think abortion is a choice way over used in the world, resulting in a horrific loss of life."

    So in summary... you are pro choice, but you want to see some changes, but maybe you don't because that would be infringing on people's rights?

    I cannot have read this correctly. Please clarify!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    comebackgirl wrote:
    There are stricter regulations in place to make sure someone under 18 doesn't buy nicotine. I went to buy a bottle of wine the other day and I had to show 2 forms of ID. These loopholes are dangerous.
    Yes of course as it should be. Cigarettes a real danger to the young, not imagined.
    The same for alcohol leading to DUI's and teen pregnancy and drug use...
    something responsible gun possession does not do.

    Some are assuming underage kids are buying weapons without their parents knowing...
    how? Unless, of course they are doing so on the street. Which we all know criminals are doing,
    whatever age. But we can not punish the law abiding thoughtful for the thoughtless
    with criminal intentions.


    Parents would be very negligent to not monitor their credit cards or bank accounts
    their children use.
    So again enforce the laws we have, punish adults who are providing
    and allowing gun possession
    through irresponsible parenting and irresponsible selling.
    There are vastly more responsible young hunters and target shooters
    owning a rifle with their parents knowledge who are safety trained
    then any escaping through the cracks.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,405
    comebackgirl wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    Guns don't kill people, people kill people ... so maybe we shouldn't give guns to people ... :think:
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    clap clap....
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I was also thinking about the abortion debate...
    I will start by saying I am pro choice as with the gun debate.

    Many gun opponents speak of the children lost to accidents,
    why they want stricter laws or banning of guns entirely.

    We have made abortion a right with the passing of a law....
    a right to take a human life.
    The number of abortions is staggering per year, lives that would have been children.

    As I said I am pro choice but I would like additional restrictions put on abortion,
    to spare lives.
    That would be removing some rights... effecting choice.

    I won't change this to an abortion debate ...
    I think I made my point though.

    I would not infringe on the choice nor the rights of others because I myself think
    abortion is a choice way over used in the world, resulting in a horrific loss of life.

    Call me stupid, but I do not see what you are getting at here. What exactly is the point you are trying to make as it relates to the right to bear arms?

    You say you are pro choice. You say you would like to see some changes. Then you say, "I would not infringe on the choice nor the rights of others because I myself think abortion is a choice way over used in the world, resulting in a horrific loss of life."

    So in summary... you are pro choice, but you want to see some changes, but maybe you don't because that would be infringing on people's rights?

    I cannot have read this correctly. Please clarify!
    That quote, my words pretty much sums it up ...

    hard to believe huh?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    pandora wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I said personally I do not own a gun but that does not mean I am unprotected ...

    I also told you for me to defend the second amendment I do not need to be a gun owner.
    That might be you and many here.... "everyone do as I do" syndrome
    I will not presume because I don't own a gun that none should or
    disregard the need, the right to defend one's life.

    Are you saying that there is a gun in your house? If there is, would you use it to shoot someone if your husband wasnt home and someone broke in and you felt threatened?
    that might be dumb, I am blonde but not that dumb ;)

    I have never held a gun... I'd go for the switchblade myself ;) I do target practice with those :lol:

    My fear is someone will hurt my dogs, I'm ready to leave this world but not at the expense
    their heavenly loyalty.

    Let's stop beating about the bush and avoiding giving a straight answer... you may have never held a gun but is there a gun in your house that others may use for 'protection'? Yes/No. I think that's what jonny is trying to get at.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    pandora wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    It's also pretty scary that a cop could be that twitchy!

    Another good reason to be prepared not only the ridiculous response times,
    allowing crimes to be committed and criminals to get away to victimize again,
    but now we have a problem with not being able to depend on some officers.
    A beloved family dog, a golden retriever, was shot dead on the front lawn of our neighbors
    by an officer who shot before they thought.

    What are you saying here? Is it that guns are important to defend dogs or that guns are important to get the upper hand on a cop who appears to be twitchy?

    Being a cop is a lot tougher than spouting rhetoric from a keyboard. I'll begin by saying I hate dogs. After one neighbour's 'family dog' attacked my son in our yard- leaving him to be treated in a hospital- I have very little patience for them. Stopping there, I would think that cops have several encounters with dogs while trying to do their dangerous work. I would think that dogs can pose a significant threat to them as they work their way on to and through a scene. If a dog appears hostile in the slightest, sorry, but I am all for them erring on the side of caution.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    What exactly is the point you are trying to make as it relates to the right to bear arms?

    No relation to the right to bear arms and gun ownership. Furthermore, abortion is an ethical debate, gun ownership is not. Also, is abortion mentioned in the constitution? Hmm..... Diversion.
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    JonnyPistachio wrote:

    Are you saying that there is a gun in your house? If there is, would you use it to shoot someone if your husband wasnt home and someone broke in and you felt threatened?
    that might be dumb, I am blonde but not that dumb ;)

    I have never held a gun... I'd go for the switchblade myself ;) I do target practice with those :lol:

    My fear is someone will hurt my dogs, I'm ready to leave this world but not at the expense
    their heavenly loyalty.

    Let's stop beating about the bush and avoiding giving a straight answer... you may have never held a gun but is there a gun in your house that others may use for 'protection'? Yes/No. I think that's what jonny is trying to get at.

    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)

    I think Jonny's question was the heart of the matter, could be wrong,
    but I think he wanted to know if I would ever resort to using it.
    My answer was no unless I get safety trained first, common sense yes?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    pandora wrote:
    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)

    ooOOoo... catty! :lol: OK.. no straight answer. You don't personally own a gun, the legal owner is then the husband. Sorted.

    An I think your answer to jonny was 'I never held a gun...'
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pandora wrote:
    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)
    I'm not sure you have...all I've seen is italicized "personally".

    Frankly, I don't care about the semantics...just amazed that you have the gall to call others condescending.

    We're all on the same level here.

    No?
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    hedonist wrote:
    We're all on the same level here.

    No?

    It's much easier to have a discussion when one knows where one stands and when one is upfront (and not pussy foot about) when it come to things that have an impact on said discussioni. Being a gun 'owner' would naturally give some biais to a discussion the same as one says not being a gun owner makes one a victim, waiting for something to happen or enabling others to be victims.
    Post edited by redrock on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    What exactly is the point you are trying to make as it relates to the right to bear arms?

    No relation to the right to bear arms and gun ownership. Furthermore, abortion is an ethical debate, gun ownership is not. Also, is abortion mentioned in the constitution? Hmm..... Diversion.
    You are so very worried about the loss of children's lives
    in fact you have said all important to you ...
    yes?

    How about the millions that have been extinguished?
    no chance to come to term and live?

    If we put just a fraction of those tiny bodies laid out how disgusting would that be?
    How come the gun opponents can not see this?
    I believe it is very much connected but not in favor of your side of the debate.


    Matters not ethical or otherwise ... dead is dead.

    Again that is how it is connected but lets not get too far off topic.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    edited August 2012
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    What exactly is the point you are trying to make as it relates to the right to bear arms?

    No relation to the right to bear arms and gun ownership. Furthermore, abortion is an ethical debate, gun ownership is not. Also, is abortion mentioned in the constitution? Hmm..... Diversion.
    You are so very worried about the loss of children's lives
    in fact you have said all important to you ...
    yes?

    How about the millions that have been extinguished?
    no chance to come to term and live?

    If we put just a fraction of those tiny bodies laid out how disgusting would that be?
    How come the gun opponents can not see this?
    I believe it is very much connected but not in favor of your side of the debate.


    Matters not ethical or otherwise ... dead is dead.

    Again that is how it is connected but lets not get too far off topic.

    :? :fp:
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    Post edited by redrock on
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    hedonist wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)
    I'm not sure you have...all I've seen is italicized "personally".

    Frankly, I don't care about the semantics...just amazed that you have the gall to call others condescending.

    We're all on the same level here.

    No?
    Do you personally think it wise to announce to the world I have a gun in my home?
    good lord that is one of the most unsafe things to do :fp:
    in my opinion.
    It has nothing to do with condescending...
    just really thought people could put that together guess not...

    and I have said I lived with same man for 32 years sooooo.....
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:

    and I have said I lived with same man for 32 years sooooo.....

    And? I lived with the same one for 25.... sooooooooooooooooooo? Is our sex life still good? Yeah... Do we have arguments? Not really...... Do we still hold hands and cuddle?.... :oops: Sorry... I thought his was a relationship thread. My bad.... ;)
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    pandora wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)
    I'm not sure you have...all I've seen is italicized "personally".

    Frankly, I don't care about the semantics...just amazed that you have the gall to call others condescending.

    We're all on the same level here.

    No?
    Do you personally think it wise to announce to the world I have a gun in my home?
    good lord that is one of the most unsafe things to do :fp:
    in my opinion.
    It has nothing to do with condescending...
    just really thought people could put that together guess not...

    and I have said I lived with same man for 32 years sooooo.....

    So...only the "smart" criminals who read or post here - rampant, I'm sure, and aware of who you are and where you live - could do the math and note to themselves to keep away from you and yours...from here...on a Pearl Jam messageboard.

    OK. Not condescending at all; my bad.
  • comebackgirl
    comebackgirl Posts: 9,885
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I have answered that question for those who are smart enough to put two and two together,
    not responsible for the others ;)
    Ok this is the part I took issue with before - NOT your opinions, I RESPECT your opinions. It's more about how you express yourself. It's fine just to say "Let me try to clarify" or "I'll try to explain better."

    OK...back on topic...You've never held a gun and wouldn't shoot it because you don't have training. Good judgment, but unless your husband is always home with you, doesn't that leave you unprotected? (Aside from the switchblade, because in one of your earlier posts about victims you referred to their choice to be unprotected if they don't own a gun).
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  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    Do you personally think it wise to announce to the world I have a gun in my home?..

    Though in previous post you seemed to suggest that if criminals knew households would be all 'gunned up' (my words, not yours), it would be a deterrent. in my opinion
  • pandora
    pandora Posts: 21,855
    off to lunch peeps back in a bit! :lol:
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