I'd like a little carrot cake on the end of that hook
...
Restraint, my young Padawan princess... temptation to feast upon that which is laid at your feet, you must resist. Circular logic, it is laden with... escape, you cannot. To the dark side, it will lead... where exists, neither reason nor logic... and even the pure light of fact and truth cannot penetrate.
...
In other words, don't bite... it tastes like shit. Trust me.
Thanks :cool: I can resist. Fortunately my hot buttons were disabled long ago
...
You know... I could also go all THIS GUY too, right?
...
Don't make me go all Pai Mei on your ass.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes mental illness is ONE factor in 3-5% of crime, so clearly the way to resolve the issue is to ignore the other factors and the other 95-97% of crimes. People do want to help those living with mental illness. Perhaps that should be addressed on a separate thread.
Are these the same statistics that don't recognize road rage, anger issues,
domestic violence, child addicts, revenge mass shooters, suicidal thoughts, hate crimes,
workplace retaliation cause these and much more are all related to mental problems
that are undiagnosed nor treated.
If that wasn't so sad and twisted it would be laughable.
I told my son at lunch about my ideas... the walk in clinics...
he thought it was awesome and very much needed by the young.
I asked for suggestions and we joked at his thoughts...
The bitch-in clinic ...
someplace to go to rant when people are on their last nerve, literally,
sometimes just talking and having a professional listen is all that is needed.
But who's got 200$ an hour?
Then there could also be solutions depending on the problems,
like this last fella who was being evicted, he could talk with someone
who could maybe help with a solution besides helping address any mental issues.
He's dead now instead along with an innocent person....
when he could have been given care and hope.
The stat takes into account all crime.
I LOVE the idea of the walk- in clinics. Really. Some already exist, but they are few and can't meet demand. But there needs to be a feasible way to pay for them. I'm just trying to explain how overburdened the system and the workers already are. That's just the reality
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
...
Restraint, my young Padawan princess... temptation to feast upon that which is laid at your feet, you must resist. Circular logic, it is laden with... escape, you cannot. To the dark side, it will lead... where exists, neither reason nor logic... and even the pure light of fact and truth cannot penetrate.
...
In other words, don't bite... it tastes like shit. Trust me.
Thanks :cool: I can resist. Fortunately my hot buttons were disabled long ago
...
You know... I could also go all THIS GUY too, right?
...
Don't make me go all Pai Mei on your ass.
bring it! :cool:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
So you DON'T give up one day per week of pay from your 'day job' to work for free. You 'would' but you don't.
So don't insult other people by saying...
You mean you would not give that up to save lives
really?
less f'in shoes for sure :fp:
It's called giving to make a difference ... unselfishness to make a change
Again can you embrace the happiness from that?
Or is that only found in shoe buying?
I'm sure most of us here do volunteering work ON TOP of our day job (and other commitments) but one doesn't go bragging about it or insult others without knowing, I guess.
I was wondering when you might chime in... Would you give up a day redrock? That is the question not do you.
The poster assumed I did not help the homeless or would not :wtf:
Why would I propose to so something I would not be willing to do?
Please answer the questions this tme
Gee with all the great minds here non with suggestions to add to a plan
that would help get guns out of the hands that abuse them.
Guess not they would rather take away from those who do not.
Gotcha...
Gee with all the great minds here non with suggestions to add to a plan
that would help get guns out of the hands that abuse them.
Guess not they would rather take away from those who do not.
Gotcha...
Gee with all the great minds here non with suggestions to add to a plan
that would help get guns out of the hands that abuse them.
Guess not they would rather take away from those who do not.
Gotcha...
:fp:
I need a drink.
There's three straws...
careful - you could kill someone with those things :shock:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yes mental illness is ONE factor in 3-5% of crime, so clearly the way to resolve the issue is to ignore the other factors and the other 95-97% of crimes. People do want to help those living with mental illness. Perhaps that should be addressed on a separate thread.
Are these the same statistics that don't recognize road rage, anger issues,
domestic violence, child addicts, revenge mass shooters, suicidal thoughts, hate crimes,
workplace retaliation cause these and much more are all related to mental problems
that are undiagnosed nor treated.
If that wasn't so sad and twisted it would be laughable.
I told my son at lunch about my ideas... the walk in clinics...
he thought it was awesome and very much needed by the young.
I asked for suggestions and we joked at his thoughts...
The bitch-in clinic ...
someplace to go to rant when people are on their last nerve, literally,
sometimes just talking and having a professional listen is all that is needed.
But who's got 200$ an hour?
Then there could also be solutions depending on the problems,
like this last fella who was being evicted, he could talk with someone
who could maybe help with a solution besides helping address any mental issues.
He's dead now instead along with an innocent person....
when he could have been given care and hope.
The stat takes into account all crime.
I LOVE the idea of the walk- in clinics. Really. Some already exist, but they are few and can't meet demand. But there needs to be a feasible way to pay for them. I'm just trying to explain how overburdened the system and the workers already are. That's just the reality
Crime ... but not the above things I just mentioned correct?
Because you yourself claim mental issues are not the cause of the above person on person assaults. You are looking at what crime exactly?
Curious was there a link that says what crime. Love to know what 97% is linked to.
I think a country working together in all the measures /ways I stated ...
it is very feasible.
And when we think of the outcome for the country, actually saving money,
emptying prisons, etc a safer happier world for all one would think that would encourage
this change.
The alternative is more guns used in violence as people melt down under
the growing stresses. Whether we have stricter gun laws or not one will find a way
it's really not that hard.
Even the youngest people can tell you the criminals will aways have guns.
Gee with all the great minds here non with suggestions to add to a plan
that would help get guns out of the hands that abuse them.
Guess not they would rather take away from those who do not.
Gotcha...
:fp:
I need a drink.
There's three straws...
cheers Jonny! Happy Friday! ... don't forget to duck
Are these the same statistics that don't recognize road rage, anger issues,
domestic violence, child addicts, revenge mass shooters, suicidal thoughts, hate crimes,
workplace retaliation cause these and much more are all related to mental problems
that are undiagnosed nor treated.
If that wasn't so sad and twisted it would be laughable.
I told my son at lunch about my ideas... the walk in clinics...
he thought it was awesome and very much needed by the young.
I asked for suggestions and we joked at his thoughts...
The bitch-in clinic ...
someplace to go to rant when people are on their last nerve, literally,
sometimes just talking and having a professional listen is all that is needed.
But who's got 200$ an hour?
Then there could also be solutions depending on the problems,
like this last fella who was being evicted, he could talk with someone
who could maybe help with a solution besides helping address any mental issues.
He's dead now instead along with an innocent person....
when he could have been given care and hope.
The stat takes into account all crime.
I LOVE the idea of the walk- in clinics. Really. Some already exist, but they are few and can't meet demand. But there needs to be a feasible way to pay for them. I'm just trying to explain how overburdened the system and the workers already are. That's just the reality
Crime ... but not the above things I just mentioned correct?
Because you yourself claim mental issues are not the cause of the above person on person assaults. You are looking at what crime exactly?
Curious was there a link that says what crime. Love to know what 97% is linked to.
I think a country working together in all the measures /ways I stated ...
it is very feasible.
And when we think of the outcome for the country, actually saving money,
emptying prisons, etc a safer happier world for all one would think that would encourage
this change.
The alternative is more guns used in violence as people melt down under
the growing stresses. Whether we have stricter gun laws or not one will find a way
it's really not that hard.
Even the youngest people can tell you the criminals will aways have guns.
Yes all crime. Those are crimes; i never said theyre not And no, mental illness is not the cause of those things. You're talking about two seperate issues.
I listed the article twice already. Feel free to give it another read.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
Mental illness encompasses all types of mental issues and behaviors.
From thought disorders, to depression to anger management, on and on.
It includes alcoholism and other substance abuse.
So if we address this and are proactive on getting people well in their heads,
well in their bodies, well in their lives,
the guns will remain in the hands of responsible people, who have no need to
resort to rage, crime for gain, revenge or killing in a delusional state.
cheers Jonny! Happy Friday! ... don't forget to duck
I've done my share of ducking! No, actually, I usually would hit the floor when I heard shots fired. In my new neighborhood, I'd be more inclined to duck though...these peaceful folks on the better side of the tracks are probably not as good an aim as the gangsters.
...
I should teach you the Five Pointed Palm Exploding Head Technique.
...
Oh, wait... this thread is that technique.
...
Nevermind.
I think my head did just exploded. I've never had to repeat myself so many times in so many different ways while literally side stepping bullets
If you are not going to take my advice... please, at least, wear one of these to protect that pretty little forehead of yours:
...
I do believe they make one in pink... you know, to match your shoes.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Yes all crime. Those are crimes; i never said theyre not And no, mental illness is not the cause of those things. You're talking about two seperate issues.
I listed the article twice already. Feel free to give it another read.
Don't care about a stinking article,
we see what people are doing and you are talking semantics ... really?
I will call it mental issues because obviously when one is depressed, angry,
hate filled, suicidal, they are in need of mental health help...
good lord...
The walk in clinics will help everyone not just the clinically perfect mentally ill
book described subject :fp:
cheers Jonny! Happy Friday! ... don't forget to duck
I've done my share of ducking! No, actually, I usually would hit the floor when I heard shots fired. In my new neighborhood, I'd be more inclined to duck though...these peaceful folks on the better side of the tracks are probably not as good an aim as the gangsters.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
Mental illness encompasses all types of mental issues and behaviors.
From thought disorders, to depression to anger management, on and on.
It includes alcoholism and other substance abuse.
So if we address this and are proactive on getting people well in their heads,
well in their bodies, well in their lives,
the guns will remain in the hands of responsible people, who have no need to
resort to rage, crime for gain, revenge or killing in a delusional state.
Your information is not correct, but I'm not going to debate it with you. To be considered an "illness" it has to have a biological basis or we can't even bill for it. Substance abuse and milk was are separate issues that can co-occur but require different treatments and are not interchangeable. Youve been referring to schizophrenia and psychotic disorders, not substance abuse. I don't think it's relevant to the conversation, but would be happy to discuss it on another thread.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Your information is not correct, but I'm not going to debate it with you. To be considered an "illness" it has to have a biological basis or we can't even bill for it. Substance abuse and milk was are separate issues that can co-occur but require different treatments and are not interchangeable. Youve been referring to schizophrenia and psychotic disorders, not substance abuse. I don't think it's relevant to the conversation, but would be happy to discuss it on another thread.
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Please... wear it. Your forehead is either going to drop onto your desk... or you are going to slam it against a wall. Please!!!
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
O.M.G. Some things said in this thread, even since my post this morning, are so unrealistic and utterly exhausting that I can't stand to read it all. Really. It's laughable. My attention deserves more. Why are you bothering yourselves?
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
Mental illness encompasses all types of mental issues and behaviors.
From thought disorders, to depression to anger management, on and on.
It includes alcoholism and other substance abuse.
So if we address this and are proactive on getting people well in their heads,
well in their bodies, well in their lives,
the guns will remain in the hands of responsible people, who have no need to
resort to rage, crime for gain, revenge or killing in a delusional state.
Your information is not correct, but I'm not going to debate it with you. To be considered an "illness" it has to have a biological basis or we can't even bill for it. Substance abuse and milk was are separate issues that can co-occur but require different treatments and are not interchangeable. Youve been referring to schizophrenia and psychotic disorders, not substance abuse. I don't think it's relevant to the conversation, but would be happy to discuss it on another thread.
Oh boy priceless
This on the list to make a person who needs help crack I'm sure...
this the people others rely on to help keep the from cracking ...
no wonder the people with mental issues are losing it :fp:
unfrickinbelievable
Substance abuse is starting in young undiagnosed children...
it causes them to get addicted, who then sell or commit crimes to support the habit
Substance abuse causes side effects in young adults very much like clinical depression
and there is now new studies approaching the idea it can bring on full blown
mental illness as in schizophrenia
Substance abuse can cause family violence
just to name a few
and sorry it doesn't perfectly fit for you....
But could you have a problem with cause and effect?
Like in the big picture...
okay, I'll play for a second, since it has my attention (meant jokingly, and not elitist)..
There is a difference--thus referred to as a differential diagnosis, between schizophrenia, and a Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder, Substance-Induced Delirium, and Substance-Related Disorders, etc.. This is from the DSM-IV. Please stop stating things as fact when they are not.
Tangential thought...tangential thread. just saying.
and there is now new studies approaching the idea it can bring on full blown
mental illness as in schizophreniaSubstance abuse can cause family violence
just to name a few
and sorry it doesn't perfectly fit for you....
But could you have a problem with cause and effect?
Like in the big picture...
Really?? I would like to see an article of these said studies from an nationally acclaimed journal, such as those approved by the AMA or the APA. Substance abuse may 'bring on' similar symptomology as these psychotic disorders (which is widely known), but it is not known that substance abuse develops into 'full blown' schizophrenia. If what I'm saying is wrong, it's news to me, and show me proof (and I will gladly eat my shoe--it's just something that I have never heard of without being concomitant, insofar as what you're saying). And substance abuse has the potential to cause violence?? What?? No way. :roll:
I'll say a few things, based on 25+ years working in social services, including mental health, and on my own observations.
The absence of mental health doesn't necessarily equal mental illness. With physical health, if I'm overeating, never exercising, smoking cigarettes, etc., I may not be sick but I probably wouldn't be described as healthy. Someone may behave in ways that aren't considered acceptable in our culture but that doesn't mean they're mentally ill.
Some people with mental illnesses self-medicate with alcohol and drugs. Many more people use alcohol and drugs because they are addicted, i.e., they have a physical dependency on a substance. It will impair their thoughts and actions but it is not the same as being mentally ill.
To suggest that people with depression act out their illnesses by being violent offends me very much. I have known many, many people who suffered from depression, including family members. I've never known anyone who expressed it through violence toward others. Most people with depression are doing good to get out of bed in the morning. They're not going to go shoot up a theater or workplace.
Finally, I have been an advocate for persons with mental illness for many years. I have worked as an educator to teach people about mental illnesses and to encourage compassion. We absolutely need more services. But it's incorrect to suggest that every person with mental illness will seek treatment. It's much more complicated than the stigma of seeking help. For example, some people with bipolar disorder refuse to take their medications because they miss the rush of their manic phases. Other people with thought disorders will stop taking their meds because of the side effects. You may wonder why but most of us can't appreciate how those medications affect a person, especially if they have to take more than one. Blurred vision, dizziness, dry mouth, facial tics, impotence, and other side effects may seem to most of us like a small price to pay. But until we've experienced it to the degree that some patients have, we can't really understand why some people will disregard treatment.
okay, I'll play for a second, since it has my attention (meant jokingly, and not elitist)..
There is a difference--thus referred to as a differential diagnosis, between schizophrenia, and a Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder, Substance-Induced Delirium, and Substance-Related Disorders, etc.. This is from the DSM-IV. Please stop stating things as fact when they are not.
Tangential thought...tangential thread. just saying.
Does the person care about your mumbo jumbo?
I know I don't ...
What difference does it make to them? The suffering,
they want help before they hurt themselves or others...
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
I'll play along too...
young man deep in depression from the overuse of illegal sought
prescription drugs, his body has been calling for something so long
he can't remenber when he ever felt right... even long before
the first pill.
He gets in his car... he's angry at the world at himself
he never does anything right. He's going to do this right though.
It is the wee hours of the morning, he pops his last pills...
downed with a half a bottle of Jack
and gets on the highway going in the wrong direction...
on purpose.
Young beautiful family, two beautiful children sleeping peacefully in the back seat
of the mini van, on their way to their first visit to Disneyworld,
the impact is horrifying, cars collide head on..
leaving teddy bears lying in blood on the ground. All five are dead.
Do we think this young man had mental issues?
Do we think he needed help?
Do we think he cared or the family cared what you were going to label him?
Do we think we could have changed this?
I do if some would get over themselves and care about people who are just people
who need help.
Pandora said:
This on the list to make a person who needs help crack I'm sure...
this the people others rely on to help keep the from cracking ...
no wonder the people with mental issues are losing it
unfrickinbelievable
Pandora said:
Does the person care about your mumbo jumbo?
I know I don't ...
Pandora said:
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
now you are just being incredibly disrespectful and rude. you should probably quit.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
okay, I'll play for a second, since it has my attention (meant jokingly, and not elitist)..
There is a difference--thus referred to as a differential diagnosis, between schizophrenia, and a Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder, Substance-Induced Delirium, and Substance-Related Disorders, etc.. This is from the DSM-IV. Please stop stating things as fact when they are not.
Tangential thought...tangential thread. just saying.
Does the person care about your mumbo jumbo?
I know I don't ...
What difference does it make to them? The suffering,
they want help before they hurt themselves or others...
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
I'll play along too...
young man deep in depression from the overuse of illegal sought
prescription drugs, his body has been calling for something so long
he can't remenber when he ever felt right... even long before
the first pill.
He gets in his car... he's angry at the world at himself
he never does anything right. He's going to do this right though.
It is the wee hours of the morning, he pops his last pills...
downed with a half a bottle of Jack
and gets on the highway going in the wrong direction...
on purpose.
Young beautiful family, two beautiful children sleeping peacefully in the back seat
of the mini van, on their way to their first visit to Disneyworld,
the impact is horrifying, cars collide head on..
leaving teddy bears lying in blood on the ground. All five are dead.
Do we think this young man had mental issues?
Do we think he needed help?
Do we think he cared or the family cared what you were going to label him?
Do we think we could have changed this?
I do if some would get over themselves and care about people who are just people
who need help.
With all due respect, don't you talk to ME about my 'mumbo jumbo'. I have almost 8 years of post-secondary education in this field/area, and years of experience.. I did not invest that time (nor MONEY in student loans) because I don't care about that population. As usual, you turned what I said around into an argument regarding substance abuse, when that is not the question I asked you. I did not say that substance abuse was not a mental issue (or related), but it is NOT schizophrenia. And you make too many assumptions and you assume that nobody knows what he/she is talking about from firsthand experience (not to mention work-related or educational-related experience), and you are just wrong and need to step back and take a good look at yourself.
oh...and it's not a 'label' so much as a DIAGNOSIS...which is required for mental health care workers and health care workers in general to give care and decide upon a proper and helpful intervention.. the fact that you LABEL my references to actual diagnoses as listed in the DSM-IV 'mumbo jumbo' proves that you don't know what you're talking about.
Pandora said:
This on the list to make a person who needs help crack I'm sure...
this the people others rely on to help keep the from cracking ...
no wonder the people with mental issues are losing it
unfrickinbelievable
Pandora said:
Does the person care about your mumbo jumbo?
I know I don't ...
Pandora said:
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
now you are just being incredibly disrespectful and rude. you should probably quit.
thank you Hugh. It's ridiculous, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who can see through that (and I'm sure we're not the only ones).
Comments
You know... I could also go all THIS GUY too, right?
...
Don't make me go all Pai Mei on your ass.
Hail, Hail!!!
I LOVE the idea of the walk- in clinics. Really. Some already exist, but they are few and can't meet demand. But there needs to be a feasible way to pay for them. I'm just trying to explain how overburdened the system and the workers already are. That's just the reality
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I was wondering when you might chime in...
Would you give up a day redrock? That is the question not do you.
The poster assumed I did not help the homeless or would not :wtf:
Why would I propose to so something I would not be willing to do?
Please answer the questions this tme
Gee with all the great minds here non with suggestions to add to a plan
that would help get guns out of the hands that abuse them.
Guess not they would rather take away from those who do not.
Gotcha...
:fp:
I need a drink.
There's three straws...
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Because you yourself claim mental issues are not the cause of the above
person on person assaults. You are looking at what crime exactly?
Curious was there a link that says what crime. Love to know what 97% is linked to.
I think a country working together in all the measures /ways I stated ...
it is very feasible.
And when we think of the outcome for the country, actually saving money,
emptying prisons, etc a safer happier world for all one would think that would encourage
this change.
The alternative is more guns used in violence as people melt down under
the growing stresses. Whether we have stricter gun laws or not one will find a way
it's really not that hard.
Even the youngest people can tell you the criminals will aways have guns.
I should teach you the Five Pointed Palm Exploding Head Technique.
...
Oh, wait... this thread is that technique.
...
Nevermind.
Hail, Hail!!!
I listed the article twice already. Feel free to give it another read.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
From thought disorders, to depression to anger management, on and on.
It includes alcoholism and other substance abuse.
So if we address this and are proactive on getting people well in their heads,
well in their bodies, well in their lives,
the guns will remain in the hands of responsible people, who have no need to
resort to rage, crime for gain, revenge or killing in a delusional state.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
...
I do believe they make one in pink... you know, to match your shoes.
Hail, Hail!!!
we see what people are doing and you are talking semantics ... really?
I will call it mental issues because obviously when one is depressed, angry,
hate filled, suicidal, they are in need of mental health help...
good lord...
The walk in clinics will help everyone not just the clinically perfect mentally ill
book described subject :fp:
thats what your life worth.....
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
...
Please... wear it. Your forehead is either going to drop onto your desk... or you are going to slam it against a wall. Please!!!
Hail, Hail!!!
This on the list to make a person who needs help crack I'm sure...
this the people others rely on to help keep the from cracking ...
no wonder the people with mental issues are losing it :fp:
unfrickinbelievable
Substance abuse is starting in young undiagnosed children...
it causes them to get addicted, who then sell or commit crimes to support the habit
Substance abuse causes side effects in young adults very much like clinical depression
and there is now new studies approaching the idea it can bring on full blown
mental illness as in schizophrenia
Substance abuse can cause family violence
just to name a few
and sorry it doesn't perfectly fit for you....
But could you have a problem with cause and effect?
Like in the big picture...
Godfather.
There is a difference--thus referred to as a differential diagnosis, between schizophrenia, and a Substance-Induced Psychotic Disorder, Substance-Induced Delirium, and Substance-Related Disorders, etc.. This is from the DSM-IV. Please stop stating things as fact when they are not.
Tangential thought...tangential thread. just saying.
The absence of mental health doesn't necessarily equal mental illness. With physical health, if I'm overeating, never exercising, smoking cigarettes, etc., I may not be sick but I probably wouldn't be described as healthy. Someone may behave in ways that aren't considered acceptable in our culture but that doesn't mean they're mentally ill.
Some people with mental illnesses self-medicate with alcohol and drugs. Many more people use alcohol and drugs because they are addicted, i.e., they have a physical dependency on a substance. It will impair their thoughts and actions but it is not the same as being mentally ill.
To suggest that people with depression act out their illnesses by being violent offends me very much. I have known many, many people who suffered from depression, including family members. I've never known anyone who expressed it through violence toward others. Most people with depression are doing good to get out of bed in the morning. They're not going to go shoot up a theater or workplace.
Finally, I have been an advocate for persons with mental illness for many years. I have worked as an educator to teach people about mental illnesses and to encourage compassion. We absolutely need more services. But it's incorrect to suggest that every person with mental illness will seek treatment. It's much more complicated than the stigma of seeking help. For example, some people with bipolar disorder refuse to take their medications because they miss the rush of their manic phases. Other people with thought disorders will stop taking their meds because of the side effects. You may wonder why but most of us can't appreciate how those medications affect a person, especially if they have to take more than one. Blurred vision, dizziness, dry mouth, facial tics, impotence, and other side effects may seem to most of us like a small price to pay. But until we've experienced it to the degree that some patients have, we can't really understand why some people will disregard treatment.
I know I don't ...
What difference does it make to them? The suffering,
they want help before they hurt themselves or others...
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
I'll play along too...
young man deep in depression from the overuse of illegal sought
prescription drugs, his body has been calling for something so long
he can't remenber when he ever felt right... even long before
the first pill.
He gets in his car... he's angry at the world at himself
he never does anything right. He's going to do this right though.
It is the wee hours of the morning, he pops his last pills...
downed with a half a bottle of Jack
and gets on the highway going in the wrong direction...
on purpose.
Young beautiful family, two beautiful children sleeping peacefully in the back seat
of the mini van, on their way to their first visit to Disneyworld,
the impact is horrifying, cars collide head on..
leaving teddy bears lying in blood on the ground. All five are dead.
Do we think this young man had mental issues?
Do we think he needed help?
Do we think he cared or the family cared what you were going to label him?
Do we think we could have changed this?
I do if some would get over themselves and care about people who are just people
who need help.
This on the list to make a person who needs help crack I'm sure...
this the people others rely on to help keep the from cracking ...
no wonder the people with mental issues are losing it
unfrickinbelievable
Pandora said:
Does the person care about your mumbo jumbo?
I know I don't ...
Pandora said:
Semantics again...
I was asked what I propose to do to help those with mental issues
and I came up with a solution of help.
All I hear is a bunch of crap on what to label someone.
now you are just being incredibly disrespectful and rude. you should probably quit.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
oh...and it's not a 'label' so much as a DIAGNOSIS...which is required for mental health care workers and health care workers in general to give care and decide upon a proper and helpful intervention.. the fact that you LABEL my references to actual diagnoses as listed in the DSM-IV 'mumbo jumbo' proves that you don't know what you're talking about.