Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.
Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.
No that is what you worry about not the guy with the bomb
ready to take out hundreds...
he's not thinking about what or who only fix me.
But he has no way to get fixed.
I have a feeling people would figure out pretty quick what was wrong with him
if they had a chance.
So yes the system is failing the people, even with the millions spent
and not one positive suggestion here to add to my free Walk in Clinics
or my Bitch in Clinics as my lad suggested....
hmmm that really says a lot....
Lets just take guns away so much easier but solves nothing in our society
the wrong way drivers, bombers will be have another weapon of choice,
the illegal guns will still be available probably more so.
Address the real problem the person and why they are distraught,
what help do they need before they hurt themselves or others.
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.
The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues not until they hurt themselves or someone else.
Great analogy ...
and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment. And they will help persons with mental issues.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.
The best is coming out in you I see...
this is the pack syndrome... google it
and no they won't help people with mental issues
Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's
you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Says who? You? As mentioned numerous times on this thread by professionals, a lot of people do not seek help because they don't want to. Don't see the necessity (the 'chin up, I'll be OK' factor) or don't want to because of all the stigma and everthing else attached to this.
But then, these ladies here, who's line of expertise this is, are just talking mumbo jumbo and don't really know what it's all about...
Wake up please and try to be open to those who actually 'know' (don't worry, I'm not including myself in this) and talk facts.
Thank you redrock.. You are always a source of logic in my opinion.. In my experience (with people who are severely mentally ill).. they would NEVER seek treatment...it was their family or their actions-through law enforcement- who got them there....they don't think they NEED treatment... I'm not talking about the substance abuser who wants to stop the cycle...I'm not talking about the depressed person who takes pills and calls a suicide hotline (these people are SEEKING help actively)..I'm talking about the psychotic, schizophrenic, delusionally ill person who thinks their thoughts are NORMAL (the kind of people I think Pandora is referring to insofar as mass shootings, etc., whatever)....those people do NOT regularly seek treatment BECAUSE THEY ARE DELUSIONAL.
Oh but it matters very much to the patient. The patient needs someone that can make an accurate diagnosis, pick the appropriate treatment and administer it.
Yes the system is flailing. Absolutely. There is not enough funding, budgets are slashed, there's not enough trained clinicians and understandably many people don't want to enter the field. That needs to be fixed. Blaming the people who do the work and targeting them as being uncaring, unknowledgeable and suggesting they work for free because their incomes are too comfortable and they're not deserving of the occasional luxury is not helping the cause.
No that is what you worry about not the guy with the bomb
ready to take out hundreds...
he's not thinking about what or who only fix me.
But he has no way to get fixed.
I have a feeling people would figure out pretty quick what was wrong with him
if they had a chance.
So yes the system is failing the people, even with the millions spent
and not one positive suggestion here to add to my free Walk in Clinics
or my Bitch in Clinics as my lad suggested....
hmmm that really says a lot....
Lets just take guns away so much easier but solves nothing in our society
the wrong way drivers, bombers will be have another weapon of choice,
the illegal guns will still be available probably more so.
Address the real problem the person and why they are distraught,
what help do they need before they hurt themselves or others.
Well if he's coming to me for treatment it damn well better matter to me. It's not as easy as you'd think pandora. It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.
:roll:
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.
you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
and chad for president
...
Of COURSE! Silly me... apologies to candidate Chad.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
oh yes.
I say we have a stickied thread on this forum related to unfounded opinion as facts.Wouldnt matter what the OP topic would be as we can see would take a life of its own.
At least that poor old lady Miss Ruby has beeen left alone.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
you know what's crazy?
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
...
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
It goes with my shoes! Wait...am I still allowed to buy shoes? :?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.
OK... I could use the crying with laughter emoticon, the facepalm one, the rolleyes or all three. No other response possible, really.
The emergency room will fix that leg even without insurance
but they will not help a person with mental issues not until they hurt themselves or someone else.
Great analogy ...
and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment. And they will help persons with mental issues.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.
The best is coming out in you I see...
this is the pack syndrome... google it
and no they won't help people with mental issues
Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's
wow how many years did you say ? :fp:
um, no, it's not 'pack syndrome', but I think you mean 'crowd' syndrome, or the bystander effect---and, again, you are totally wrong. And I didn't need to google it. 8 years I said, and 8 years it is. And I think YOU should google it. And the best is coming out in me in terms of standing up for the people for whom I went to school to defend (the mentally ill).. not just get on a website and put other people down who are actually educated in same. And I say again... you never answered my question regarding a resolution.. and the best is coming out in you insofar as questioning someones' knowledge (not just mine, but others). Medicaid is unavailable to MOST adults who don't have children Pandora..do some research.
Having a "debate" about mental health issues in a thread about mass shootings and guns.
No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.
:roll:
U
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.
yes - I can see it in the 3-5% in which it's a factor
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.
who is rude? insinuating I get high on mushrooms... :wtf:
It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.
All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.
...
Reading through some of the stuff in here is like getting a lobotomy.
...
HEY! I think i just may have solved the mental health issue in America!!! Make them read this thread.
... then, have them comitted.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.
OK... I could use the crying with laughter emoticon, the facepalm one, the rolleyes or all three. No other response possible, really.
No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.
:roll:
U
Sorry some here can not see the connection between mental issues and crime
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves sometimes something so simple is missed.
yes - I can see it in the 3-5% in which it's a factor
We have a much different opinion as to what crime is
and what mental issues are that cause them.
See it really doesn't matter cause it's happening...
boy is it happening.
and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.
who is rude? insinuating I get high on mushrooms... :wtf:
never tried them just like you...
I'll take BJ's word for it though
no...insinuating your thought processes on this subject are the same as one who is under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs. Hey.. google it.
It could be a psychotic disorder, a disossiative episode, psychosis caused by an organic issue or substance abuse. All requiring different treatments.
All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.
...
Reading through some of the stuff in here is like getting a lobotomy.
...
HEY! I think i just may have solved the mental health issue in America!!! Make them read this thread.
... then, comit them.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
ok... the constitution was written september 17th 1787 in philadelphia. back then these old ass white men with white wigs used single shot black powder rifles, sure they had black powder pistols too. they wrote the constitution around those style of weapon not assault rifles, no. not automatic firearms, no. not bazookas, no.
it is inaccurate and not the same ballpark when comparing 1787 with 2012. do the math
2012 - 1787 = 225 years worth of time, energy, technological breakthroughs with armory designed to kill and used for war, conquering, protection... yes, and a lot of bullshit like murdering animals to extinction in the name of trophy hunting as well as the onslaught of the north american buffalo to starve the indigenous peoples of this land.
glocks? yeah get em fired up, grandma. the indians are invading the fort. uzi 9mm? rat-a-tat-tat. how about long distance killers for offing elephant and rhinoceros like our pal uncle ted
kaboom. dead critter. get the ivory.
black powder rifles took 97 minutes to lock and load. one shot, one kill...or miss, blind ass caveman
and if they don't have insurance or medicaid, that person is going to get a bill for that treatment. And they will help persons with mental issues.. the issue with such persons is finding a bed somewhere. FIND A BED PANDORA. Find one.
The best is coming out in you I see...
this is the pack syndrome... google it
and no they won't help people with mental issues
Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's
wow how many years did you say ? :fp:
um, no, it's not 'pack syndrome', but I think you mean 'crowd' syndrome, or the bystander effect---and, again, you are totally wrong. And I didn't need to google it. 8 years I said, and 8 years it is. And I think YOU should google it. And the best is coming out in me in terms of standing up for the people for whom I went to school to defend (the mentally ill).. not just get on a website and put other people down who are actually educated in same. And I say again... you never answered my question regarding a resolution.. and the best is coming out in you insofar as questioning someones' knowledge (not just mine, but others). Medicaid is unavailable to MOST adults who don't have children Pandora..do some research.
nope I meant pack alright
That's what I said not available...
I guess you didn't get the reference as far as young men in their 20's...
I know you didn't take much time with the heartbreaking real life scenario
or answer the questions...
or did I miss them?
and do you think that insurance, or any federally regulated institution, is going to grant treatment of these individuals based on anything other than this so-called 'mumbo jumbo'.. eat another mushroom.
who is rude? insinuating I get high on mushrooms... :wtf:
never tried them just like you...
I'll take BJ's word for it though
no...insinuating your thought processes on this subject are the same as one who is under the influence of hallucinogenic drugs. Hey.. google it.
Oh you mean acid... now you''re talking I know a little about this from the 70's
How about you ...
but no this is nothing like that this is a serious social problem
with needs that should be addressed
to better help people to live happy and fulfilled lives,
not sink deeper into a vacuums where violence is the answer to frustration and loneliness.
That sounds nothing like acid...
we'll maybe a very bad trip with some real square pegs about
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No it's not.... you know... 'mental illness' and 'crime' go hand in hand. If we got rid of mental illness, we would get rid of crime/gun crime. Lax guns laws and extreme ease for anyone to get guns is not the problem - mental illness is.
this is the pack syndrome... google it
and no they won't help people with mental issues
Medicaid is unavailabe to most single young men in their 20's
wow how many years did you say ? :fp:
But, we do have a consensus that... cats have better comprehension skills (even though the only hear *clicks* and *buzzes* when we speak), supermassive black holes can really suck and ComeBackGirl looks damn cute in that pink crash helmet, correct?
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and chad for president
I think it has something to do with being a gun opponent
Clouds the mind to the real issues as to why people are violent with guns...
the guns aren't firing themselves
All mumbo jumbo. I wouldn't care what you decided - just give me the pills... the pink and purple ones, please.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Of COURSE! Silly me... apologies to candidate Chad.
Hail, Hail!!!
I say we have a stickied thread on this forum related to unfounded opinion as facts.Wouldnt matter what the OP topic would be as we can see would take a life of its own.
At least that poor old lady Miss Ruby has beeen left alone.
What say you?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
OK... I could use the crying with laughter emoticon, the facepalm one, the rolleyes or all three. No other response possible, really.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
never tried them just like you...
I'll take BJ's word for it though
Reading through some of the stuff in here is like getting a lobotomy.
...
HEY! I think i just may have solved the mental health issue in America!!! Make them read this thread.
...
then, have them comitted.
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
and what mental issues are that cause them.
See it really doesn't matter cause it's happening...
boy is it happening.
There's the gun opponent blindness again at work.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
it is inaccurate and not the same ballpark when comparing 1787 with 2012. do the math
2012 - 1787 = 225 years worth of time, energy, technological breakthroughs with armory designed to kill and used for war, conquering, protection... yes, and a lot of bullshit like murdering animals to extinction in the name of trophy hunting as well as the onslaught of the north american buffalo to starve the indigenous peoples of this land.
glocks? yeah get em fired up, grandma. the indians are invading the fort. uzi 9mm? rat-a-tat-tat. how about long distance killers for offing elephant and rhinoceros like our pal uncle ted
kaboom. dead critter. get the ivory.
black powder rifles took 97 minutes to lock and load. one shot, one kill...or miss, blind ass caveman
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
That's what I said not available...
I guess you didn't get the reference as far as young men in their 20's...
I know you didn't take much time with the heartbreaking real life scenario
or answer the questions...
or did I miss them?
can you hear me cause I can hear you
I'm just glad I'm home and self-medicating for my back. It'll make the viewing that much more....entertaining?
No...interesting. OK, entertaining too. Fuckit, it's Friday.
But really, I'm loving the salient points made here.
How about you ...
but no this is nothing like that this is a serious social problem
with needs that should be addressed
to better help people to live happy and fulfilled lives,
not sink deeper into a vacuums where violence is the answer to frustration and loneliness.
That sounds nothing like acid...
we'll maybe a very bad trip with some real square pegs about