Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.

I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.

redrock

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

You guys are killing me!

norm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

i'm just trying to not go off half-cocked :problem:

pandora

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

pandora wrote:

I think cigs are a much bigger problem because of sheer numbers of course.

ok, so you just stated again what I thought. You think cigarettes are a bigger problem than guns.

to my knowledge, when I was a smoker,I never killed anyone with one.

Why are you assuming a teen who purchased a rifle for sport with his parents permission legally
is going to kill someone? Either as a teen or 50 years later? Odds certainly don't show us that

but...

not knowing your age, if you started smoking as a teen and you were still a smoker now
you would be experiencing signs of a shortened life span by now...
another 15-20 years you could and very well would be, dying.

This is the common sense that tells me that cigs are more dangerous than guns.

JonnyPistachio

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

i'm just trying to not go off half-cocked :problem:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

pandora

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.

'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.

People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...

1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.


Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.

chadwick

aren't a bunch of redneck's making guns on the discovery channel?
http://youtu.be/NWm3gXUMB5w
triple barrel m-16

i've watched sons of guns while @ a buddy's house & i can't stand the guy or anyone in his machine shop. all are fucked in the head gunlovers. i bet Will sleeps with his guns he loves them soo much. frickin weirdos

pandora

I'm glad made the analogy

norm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

chadwick

pandora wrote:

I'm glad made the analogy

what does that mean?
"i'm glad made the analogy?" - pandora

redrock

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

pandora wrote:

People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...

1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.

YES!! Firearms invented to KILL!!!!! Finally admitting it... and properly sourced too!

Zoso

pandora wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.[/quote]

'the right to bear arms' - gun nuts get crazy with this and they think because of this guns are fair .. the founding fathers wrote this they didn't intend this amendment to be twisted like this to the point where people are killing eachother.[/quote]
People have been killing each other with guns long before our country was founded...

1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.
1400s: Matchlock guns - first mechanically firing of guns. Wicks were now attached to a clamp that sprang into gunpowder that was placed in a "flash pan".
1509: Wheel lock guns - wicks were replaced the wheel lock that generated a spark for igniting the gunpowder.
1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.
1825: Percussion-cap guns invented by Reverend John Forsyth - firing mechanism no longer uses flash pan, a tube lead straight into the gun barrel, the tupe had an exposive cap on it that exploded when struck
1830: Back action lock
1835: Colt revolver - first mass-produced, multi-shot, revolving firearms
1840: Pin-fire cartridges
1850: Shotguns
1859: Full rim-fire cartridge
1860: Spencer repeating carbine patented
1861: Breech loaded guns
1862: Gatling Gun
1869: Center-fire cartridge
1871: Cartridge revolver
1873: Winchester rifle
1877: Double-action revolver
1879: Lee box magazine patented
1892: Automatic handguns invented by Joseph Laumann
1893: Borchardt pistol - automatic handgun with a separate magazine in the grip
1903: First automatic rifle a Winchester.


Whether they intended or not the basic thought behind it is to protect people,
and allow them to protect themselves.
Murder/ killing is illegal, protecting oneself is not ...
don't confuse the two. One is legal one is not.[/quote]

absolutely.. people were killing people all over the world in many wars and invasions, but gun murders aren't an issue in other countries apart from America. The 'right to bear arms' seems to be a holding pattern on progress in America and I believe the reason why there are so many more deaths here then any other country.

I haven't got the right to bear arms in Australia before or after that ONE massacre that occured.. it sounds stupid.

comebackgirl

redrock wrote:

combackgirl wrote:

.... I'm 38 years old and I have to show 2 forms of ID to buy wine, but a 16 year old can buy a gun online.

combackgirl wrote:

Yes they can if they have a parents permission. They also must keep the gun at home
unloaded unless engaged in lawful activities.
It is also unlawful to sell the gun to a teen without a parents permission.

Seems like very similar laws are in place.

First of all CBG.. you're 38 and you're still being ID'd to buy alcohol... kudos to you!

Second... as mentioned in a previous post, one can buy a firearm (excluding handguns) from an unlicensed vendor (eg the internet) at whatever age WITHOUT parent's permission. Doesn't even have to be a kid with 'intention'. Could just be a kid wanting to brag a bit to his friends ('hey guys.. look what I've got) and boom! Accident.

It's one blessing that comes along with being vertically challenged

That's exactly it - there is a big loophole with unlicensed dealers like gun shows. That gap has got to be closed. It also is a concern that laws for purchasing alcohol and guns would be anywhere close to similar.

JonnyPistachio

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:

comebackgirl

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

This thread just got more interesting. :shifty:

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

Zoso wrote:

yes I was generalizing for sure but I kinda mean is people get obsessed with the idea and the culture that guns are a good thing and almost can't live without them even when they are a ticking time bomb for eveeryone's safety... and yes I get your point cigarette smoking is also dangerous but not to the same level and is way more regulated then gun ownership.

What people get obsessed?
How do you know this or are you assuming?
Some choose to enjoy gun use for sport, some choose to collect, some choose to protect
life and property with them.

Is your bias showing when you call those healthy choices an obsession?

Cigarette smoking is a much more real danger for our teens than legal
and responsible gun ownership bought with a parents permission.

I'll agree with Zoso -- Compared to the rest of the world, it is my opinion that the USA is obsessed with guns. I know this is a generalization, but that just what I see...88 out of a 100 people own one? I'd say that's an obsession, and an unhealthy one at that.

This thinking is very biased, they do not own them out of obsession but out of need,
not everyone can move to a better neighborhood.
Even in a better neighborhood like mine crime comes to me. Consider the fact that it takes
police over 10 minutes to arrive with a house alarm call or
a call that is made by the victim themselves. through 911 .
Alot happens in 10 minutes.
It is prudent to be prepared and seeing that most all criminals now carry a gun
it is the most logical choice.

norm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Sounds like you need to go to the shooting range and get some training...you wouldnt want your weapon to go off prematurely if you have a hair-pin trigger. Safety first Norm!

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:

:( so i'm locked and loaded and have no where to legally fire it? bummer...i guess i'll just go unload my gun by myself

does anyone have a copy of guns and ammo magazine? i read it for the articles :think:

redrock

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

the problem is the only legal 'shooting ranges' are in nevada...ROAD TRIP!! :P

Norm , norm...havent you learned anything here in 100+ pages...nobody uses a gun legally. :shifty:

:( so i'm locked and loaded and have no where to legally fire it? bummer...i guess i'll just go unload my gun by myself

does anyone have a copy of guns and ammo magazine? i read it for the articles :think:

I'm sure you will find what you need on the internet - no questions asked!

pandora

redrock wrote:

YES!! Firearms invented to KILL!!!!! Finally admitting it... and properly sourced too!

Did I ever say they weren't wtf...

I said they are not owned for the purpose to kill ...
well unless you are a criminal ... good lord :fp:
they are owned to protect oneself...so basic.

comebackgirl

norm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

norm wrote:

wait! i thought we were talking about firearms :?

now, if we're talking about 'guns', then i'm loaded and ready for action! :wave:

Looks like i'll need to file for concealed carry after all. :P

i'm just trying to not go off half-cocked :problem:

Any one with a long gun please step the right :angel: