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  • The Fixer
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    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    I would like to personally thank the Phillies players for allowing Ryan Howard to be dependent enough on them for Ryan to dominate tonight's game offensively. we all know that Ryan only does what he does because of his teammates, so thank you guys. lets do the same saturday and sunday :)

    he's no rico brogna :D

    kidding dude. howard played well tonight
    :o:o:o :shock: :shock:

    as much as he annoys me with his defense and horrible ABs, I have never denied he helps this team win. My issue has always been that he's overrated...which led to his terrible contract.

    Team is winning. That's all that matters (though their offense still needs help)
  • The Juggler
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    :think: :eh:

    regarding the defense:
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true ...finished 14th in nl last year. currently in 1st.

    and to appease our new age fans, although sabermetrics defense is still a work in progress ( :roll: :lol: ):

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true .....14th last year, currently 3rd.


    lot of season left to be played. but anyway you look at it so far (save for a couple deadly double pumps that i'm sure cost us a lot of our 12 losses) the dude has improved nicely in the field. gotta give credit where credit is due.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    The Fixer wrote:
    as much as he annoys me with his defense and horrible ABs, I have never denied he helps this team win. My issue has always been that he's overrated...which led to his terrible contract.

    Team is winning. That's all that matters (though their offense still needs help)

    He is overrated. And his contract is ridiculous. But he still is instrumental in helping the team win, and us fans seem to be happy to pay ever increasing ticket prices to pay for his contract. And he's also a good guy who's easy to root for. So, um, there. :lol:
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  • The Juggler
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    as much as he annoys me with his defense and horrible ABs, I have never denied he helps this team win. My issue has always been that he's overrated...which led to his terrible contract.

    Team is winning. That's all that matters (though their offense still needs help)

    He is overrated. And his contract is ridiculous. But he still is instrumental in helping the team win, and us fans seem to be happy to pay ever increasing ticket prices to pay for his contract. And he's also a good guy who's easy to root for. So, um, there. :lol:


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  • The Juggler
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    this stinks:

    Brown will miss more time
    Domonic Brown will sit out five to seven days with a sprained thumb. (Yong Kim/Staff Photographer) ATANTA -- Ben Francisco has three hits in 28 May at-bats. His last extra-base hit was 51 plate appearances ago, a double in the first inning of a game in Arizona on April 27.

    His season batting average is down to .230. (Yes, lower than Raul Ibanez.) But his on-base percenatge is still at .340. (Only six points below Ryan Howard and nine points below Shane Victorino.) So the patience is there, but the hits are not.

    We bring this up because of the clamoring for Domonic Brown. And yes, most of it can be justified. Brown has been hitting the ball in triple A and at this point, you wonder if he has anything left to prove in the minors.

    But the latest news, that Brown will miss at least another five days with a first-degree sprain of the ulnar collateral ligament in his right thumb, means the timetable is pushed back even more. Francisco has a longer leash.

    Brown injured his thumb in Wednesday's game and the team said it was not serious. This morning, that prognosis was updated to the sprain, with a 5 to 7 day total timetable for recovery.

    The Phillies sent Brown to the minors after a broken hook of the hamate bone cost him most of spring training because they said he needed more at-bats. Injuries -- a strained quadriceps last September, the hamate bone in the spring and now the thumb -- have slowed Brown's progression.

    The 23-year-old prospect needs to show he can stay on the field and be productive for a few weeks at a time. Until then, the Phillies may hold off on promoting him and making him a regular at the major-league level.

    ***

    The lineup as Joe Blanton takes the mound, opposed by Jair Jurrjens:

    1. Jimmy Rollins 6
    2. Shane Victorino 8
    3. Placido Polanco 5
    4. Ryan Howard 3
    5. Ben Francisco 9
    6. Raul Ibanez 7
    7. Wilson Valdez 4
    8. Dane Sardinha 2
    9. Joe Blanton 1
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  • The Juggler
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    not the ideal way to start off a game, joe.
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  • The Fixer
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    Johnny Abruzzo wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    as much as he annoys me with his defense and horrible ABs, I have never denied he helps this team win. My issue has always been that he's overrated...which led to his terrible contract.

    Team is winning. That's all that matters (though their offense still needs help)

    He is overrated. And his contract is ridiculous. But he still is instrumental in helping the team win, and us fans seem to be happy to pay ever increasing ticket prices to pay for his contract. And he's also a good guy who's easy to root for. So, um, there. :lol:

    yeah man, I agree. They have raised their payroll to levels I never thought I'd see. If my tix go up 2 or 3 bucks a seat every year and that money is going towards the payroll, I'm all for it.

    Howard's contract is the worst in sports but it hasn't been as prohibitive as I thought it would be.
  • The Fixer
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    Jair Jurrjens. Phillie killer.

    Was out running some errands and had the game on the radio. Franzke said that of all pitchers with a min of 50 IP, Jurrjens has the lowest ERA vs the phils. they never hit him
  • The Fixer
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    that's horrendous baserunning. absolutely terrible
  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:
    :think: :eh:

    regarding the defense:
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true ...finished 14th in nl last year. currently in 1st.

    and to appease our new age fans, although sabermetrics defense is still a work in progress ( :roll: :lol: ):

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true .....14th last year, currently 3rd.


    lot of season left to be played. but anyway you look at it so far (save for a couple deadly double pumps that i'm sure cost us a lot of our 12 losses) the dude has improved nicely in the field. gotta give credit where credit is due.

    Just look at the assist totals. Proof that the triple pump, take it to the bag is in full effect. He's awful in the field
  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    :think: :eh:

    regarding the defense:
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true ...finished 14th in nl last year. currently in 1st.

    and to appease our new age fans, although sabermetrics defense is still a work in progress ( :roll: :lol: ):

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true .....14th last year, currently 3rd.


    lot of season left to be played. but anyway you look at it so far (save for a couple deadly double pumps that i'm sure cost us a lot of our 12 losses) the dude has improved nicely in the field. gotta give credit where credit is due.

    Just look at the assist totals. Proof that the triple pump, take it to the bag is in full effect. He's awful in the field
    :lol:

    okay dude.
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  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    :think: :eh:

    regarding the defense:
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true ...finished 14th in nl last year. currently in 1st.

    and to appease our new age fans, although sabermetrics defense is still a work in progress ( :roll: :lol: ):

    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fielding/_ ... order/true .....14th last year, currently 3rd.


    lot of season left to be played. but anyway you look at it so far (save for a couple deadly double pumps that i'm sure cost us a lot of our 12 losses) the dude has improved nicely in the field. gotta give credit where credit is due.

    Just look at the assist totals. Proof that the triple pump, take it to the bag is in full effect. He's awful in the field
    :lol:

    okay dude.

    solid comeback. Great insight
  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Just look at the assist totals. Proof that the triple pump, take it to the bag is in full effect. He's awful in the field
    :lol:

    okay dude.

    solid comeback. Great insight

    you think? i thought i could have offered more.

    its just funny how you focus on that and not on the fact he's leading nl first basemen in fielding percentage. zero errors a quarter of the way into the season for a guy who lead league in them the last 2 seasons is an improvement, to say the least.

    fan graph's has him ranked 3rd after being 14th last year: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 2011&ind=0 --meant to post that before but instead put the espn link up twice. bottom line is he's improved.

    looks your boy baez is in for mop up duty right now. i'm at work, glad i can't watch this one today. yuck.
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  • The Fixer
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    nice catch howard :lol:
  • The Juggler
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    ha!---what did he make his first error of the season? that would be phenomenal timing :lol:
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  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:

    you think? i thought i could have offered more.

    its just funny how you focus on that and not on the fact he's leading nl first basemen in fielding percentage. zero errors a quarter of the way into the season for a guy who lead league in them the last 2 seasons is an improvement, to say the least.

    fan graph's has him ranked 3rd after being 14th last year: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 2011&ind=0 --meant to post that before but instead put the espn link up twice. bottom line is he's improved.

    looks your boy baez is in for mop up duty right now. i'm at work, glad i can't watch this one today. yuck.

    fielding percentage means he catches what is hit to him. If you take his entire defensive repetoire (or lackthereof) into account, you will see that he is far below average.

    Range - Below average
    Throwing - Terrible
    Catching balls hit right at him (fielding percentage) - Average

    He's not good in the field. Stay blindly loyal if you must, but you're wrong on this one.

    Being improved from horrendous to not good isn't much of an accomplishment.
  • The Fixer
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    These phils jerseys would be sweet if they said philadelphia across the front. Except for the red back pockets. Much better than their normal unis
  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    you think? i thought i could have offered more.

    its just funny how you focus on that and not on the fact he's leading nl first basemen in fielding percentage. zero errors a quarter of the way into the season for a guy who lead league in them the last 2 seasons is an improvement, to say the least.

    fan graph's has him ranked 3rd after being 14th last year: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... 2011&ind=0 --meant to post that before but instead put the espn link up twice. bottom line is he's improved.

    looks your boy baez is in for mop up duty right now. i'm at work, glad i can't watch this one today. yuck.

    fielding percentage means he catches what is hit to him. If you take his entire defensive repetoire (or lackthereof) into account, you will see that he is far below average.

    Range - Below average
    Throwing - Terrible
    Catching balls hit right at him (fielding percentage) - Average

    He's not good in the field. Stay blindly loyal if you must, but you're wrong on this one.

    Being improved from horrendous to not good isn't much of an accomplishment.

    "blindly loyal"--haha....what? :lol: your devotion to andy reid is best described this way so i guess you would know about this best. hardly think it applies here though.

    anyway the part i bolded and underlined is the only point i was making. glad to see you agree

    and nice of you to quantify your opinion by listing more opinions on his "range/throwing and catching balls hit right at him."

    he's not a good defensive player by any stretch of the imagination. but so far this season, he's improved nicely from '10. long way to go though.

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  • The Fixer
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    The Juggler wrote:

    and nice of you to quantify your opinion by listing more opinions on his "range/throwing and catching balls hit right at him."

    he's not a good defensive player by any stretch of the imagination. but so far this season, he's improved nicely from '10. long way to go though.

    look at his UZR and RF...you will see he's average.

    fielding percentage doesn't take range (ie, number of chances) or throws into account. It's only a percentage of balls cleanly handled...otherwise known as balls hit to someone. those aren't my opinions dude.

    he stinks defensively as you stated. that's all I was saying.

    the season is 6 weeks old. too small of a sample size to determine anything...as proven by guys like russ martin, lance berkman, jeff francoeur.

    kimbrell is a beast
  • The Juggler
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    The Fixer wrote:
    The Juggler wrote:

    and nice of you to quantify your opinion by listing more opinions on his "range/throwing and catching balls hit right at him."

    he's not a good defensive player by any stretch of the imagination. but so far this season, he's improved nicely from '10. long way to go though.

    look at his UZR and RF...you will see he's average.
    fielding percentage doesn't take range (ie, number of chances) or throws into account. It's only a percentage of balls cleanly handled...otherwise known as balls hit to someone. those aren't my opinions dude.

    he stinks defensively as you stated. that's all I was saying.

    the season is 6 weeks old. too small of a sample size to determine anything...as proven by guys like russ martin, lance berkman, jeff francoeur.

    kimbrell is a beast

    average at best is how i would put it, agreed. that's the point. he used to stink (i never said he stinks this year--never "stated" that). but average, at best is about where he's at now imo, and i'm fine with that.

    and of course the sample size is small, as i have noted at least 3 times in this conversation (including my first post ;) ). it's a long season, but the improvement a quarter of the way through has been nice to see.



    wasn't confident about today's game going in.

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