***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Phantom Pain

RW81233 wrote:

J-Roll wants 5-years L....O....L. Please let this happen.

3 tops I would go..maybe an option for a 4th year

He's dreaming asking for 5yrs at this point

The Juggler

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

honest question for everyone - why does charlie manuel get a free pass from the media and fans in this town compared to the other coaches? yes we won a title (but one less than terry francona) but has now lost 2 years in a row as a prohibitive favorite and i believe he helped blow the 2009 world series againt the yanks with his decision to use Pedro. Admittedly i am not a fan of Charlie's but i don't understand the lack of criticism for him now compared to that happens around here with everyone else. Thoughts?

you know my opinion on philly fans.

manuel has always been and will always be a dumb ass.

I loved amaro's comments today about the lineup changing their approach. isn't manuel supposed to be a hitting guru??

give ryne sandberg the manager job before another team hires him away

What's the Mark Twain quote about continuing to do the same thing and expecting a different result? It's insane.

see: eagles, philadelphia as all the proof you need of that

The Juggler

Phantom Pain wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

J-Roll wants 5-years L....O....L. Please let this happen.

3 tops I would go..maybe an option for a 4th year

He's dreaming asking for 5yrs at this point

yeah me too. 3 with a 4th option. of course he's gonna say 5 years though. he should try to get all he can get obviously. if san fran gives him five, then so be it.

if he comes back, i wonder if we see him slide over to third in a couple years after polanco is out of here and young galvis is ready.

Cliffy6745

Ouch

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/ ... le-a-ball/

81

this year's failure just doesn't have that iconic image like that ws lost of a few years back

PureandEasy

81 wrote:

this year's failure just doesn't have that iconic image like that ws lost of a few years back

really 81???

:twisted:

it's like putting salt on an fresh wound

81

PureandEasy wrote:

really 81???

:twisted:

it's like putting salt on an fresh wound

i'm going to go start a new thread....you may want to skip it.

PureandEasy

81 wrote:

PureandEasy wrote:

really 81???

:twisted:

it's like putting salt on an fresh wound

i'm going to go start a new thread....you may want to skip it.

thanks for the heads up

Wobbie

The Juggler wrote:

if san fran gives him five, then so be it.

sabean is dumb....but not that dumb....I hope :?

The Juggler

81 wrote:

this year's failure just doesn't have that iconic image like that ws lost of a few years back

any iconic images of the pirates collapse this year?

The Juggler

imalive wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

if san fran gives him five, then so be it.

sabean is dumb....but not that dumb....I hope :?

it will probably come down to the 4th year being guaranteed or an option.

pjhawks

today's Inquirer mentioned that Chase Utley had the 2nd lowest percentage of line drives of any player in the majors this year with 300 or more at-bats. not good. can't believe our sabermaticians here haven't brought that one up. i guess when it's the golden boy no one mentions it.

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

today's Inquirer mentioned that Chase Utley had the 2nd lowest percentage of line drives of any player in the majors this year with 300 or more at-bats. not good. can't believe our sabermaticians here haven't brought that one up. i guess when it's the golden boy no one mentions it.

Who was the worst?

81

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

this year's failure just doesn't have that iconic image like that ws lost of a few years back

any iconic images of the pirates collapse this year?

Wobbie

"damn....we were that close to a .500 season"

81 wrote:

81

imalive wrote:

"damn....we were that close to a .500 season"

it was a smoke and mirrors first half....

pitching was decent....hitting sucked, but htey got a ton of timely hits....

2nd half, pitching soured and no timely hits.

The Juggler

81 wrote:

imalive wrote:

"damn....we were that close to a .500 season"

it was a smoke and mirrors first half....

pitching was decent....hitting sucked, but htey got a ton of timely hits....

2nd half, pitching soured and no timely hits.

i remember reading somewhere that the pirates 2nd half was one of the worst in the history of the game.

Wobbie

The Juggler wrote:

i remember reading somewhere that the pirates 2nd half was one of the worst in the history of the game.

so was your NLDS.....sorry, couldn't resist

The Juggler

imalive wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

i remember reading somewhere that the pirates 2nd half was one of the worst in the history of the game.

so was your NLDS.....sorry, couldn't resist

zing

Wobbie

hey, I meant to ask....I saw the memphis taproom on diners, drive ins and dives last night.

ever been there?

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

hey, I meant to ask....I saw the memphis taproom on diners, drive ins and dives last night.

ever been there?

Good spot. Pretty good beer list, food is good. Too much fried shit though, if that's possible.. Been there a few times. Hipsterish crowd but thats what that neighborhood is turning into.

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 wrote:

imalive wrote:

hey, I meant to ask....I saw the memphis taproom on diners, drive ins and dives last night.

ever been there?

Good spot. Pretty good beer list, food is good. Too much fried shit though, if that's possible.. Been there a few times. Hipsterish crowd but thats what that neighborhood is turning into.

I did see they fried their tofu....but, hey, if you're gonna eat that shit it BETTER be fried.

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

imalive wrote:

hey, I meant to ask....I saw the memphis taproom on diners, drive ins and dives last night.

ever been there?

Good spot. Pretty good beer list, food is good. Too much fried shit though, if that's possible.. Been there a few times. Hipsterish crowd but thats what that neighborhood is turning into.

I did see they fried their tofu....but, hey, if you're gonna eat that shit it BETTER be fried.

Yeah, that's very true. First time I ate there, we got a bunch of shit to pick at, it came out and we realized almost everything we got was fried. Needless to say, I felt like shit for the next 24 hours. I saw that episode a while back.

pjhawks

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

today's Inquirer mentioned that Chase Utley had the 2nd lowest percentage of line drives of any player in the majors this year with 300 or more at-bats. not good. can't believe our sabermaticians here haven't brought that one up. i guess when it's the golden boy no one mentions it.

Who was the worst?

Vernon Wells. i was kind of shocked at the stat to be honest. i knew he has lost some power but kind of a scary stat. and he is getting $20 million next year

Cliffy6745

pjhawks wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

today's Inquirer mentioned that Chase Utley had the 2nd lowest percentage of line drives of any player in the majors this year with 300 or more at-bats. not good. can't believe our sabermaticians here haven't brought that one up. i guess when it's the golden boy no one mentions it.

Who was the worst?

Vernon Wells. i was kind of shocked at the stat to be honest. i knew he has lost some power but kind of a scary stat. and he is getting $20 million next year

Ahh, yeah, that makes sense. Was hoping it wasn't going to be a certain Yankee. Yeah, that's definitely not good. That's what made him one of the best players in the game for a couple years. Everything he hit was a bullet.

Edit: And hey, Vernon Well is getting $21 mil for the next 3 years.

81

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

imalive wrote:

"damn....we were that close to a .500 season"

it was a smoke and mirrors first half....

pitching was decent....hitting sucked, but htey got a ton of timely hits....

2nd half, pitching soured and no timely hits.

i remember reading somewhere that the pirates 2nd half was one of the worst in the history of the game.

it was bad, but not sure it was that bad...

but i did look...

by my count, 23 up and 46 post all star break, including a 7-22 record in august.

take the post all star win %, it extrapolates to a 54-108 full season pace

The Juggler

81 wrote:

The Juggler wrote:

81 wrote:

it was a smoke and mirrors first half....

pitching was decent....hitting sucked, but htey got a ton of timely hits....

2nd half, pitching soured and no timely hits.

i remember reading somewhere that the pirates 2nd half was one of the worst in the history of the game.

it was bad, but not sure it was that bad...

but i did look...

by my count, 23 up and 46 post all star break, including a 7-22 record in august.

take the post all star win %, it extrapolates to a 54-108 full season pace

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 58308.html

In the modern history of Major League Baseball that began in 1900, no team has fared worse than these Pirates after holding first place through 100 games. Actually, no team has even come close. The Pirates' 16-40 record down the stretch makes for a .286 winning percentage. Next-worst was the 1977 Chicago Cubs, who went 60-40 to lead their division through 100 games, then went 21-41 for a .339 winning percentage.

Cliffy6745

I find this hilarious.

http://deadspin.com/5849674/photoshop-c ... ed-scooter

Wobbie

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I find this hilarious.

http://deadspin.com/5849674/photoshop-c ... ed-scooter

cold blooded, cliffy.

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I find this hilarious.

http://deadspin.com/5849674/photoshop-c ... ed-scooter

cold blooded, cliffy.

Dude, have someone go pick up your groceries for you. You are making $125 mil over the next 5 years.