yeah, Lee would have been on regular rest for game 5. if victorino makes the play in game 2 we are probably talking about phils/brewers right now (like howard, he has had some huge mishaps in the last 3 playoff series that they have lost...he was brutal in the 09 WS and he dropped that ball in game 6 last year). halladay/jackson is as big of a mismatch as you will get in a playoff game.
plenty of mistakes to go around. pence running with howard up was beyond stupid, but thats charlie maneul for you.
oswalt wasn't good in game 4. all it takes is one bad inning...especially in the playoffs. he should have never been out there to begin with.
well ... obviously hindsight is 20/20 ... and i don't think all things considered pitching oswalt in game 4 was a bad decision ... at the end of the day, it was most definitely the bats that were a problem ... all the individual plays are a function of that ... when you aren't scoring runs - people try to do too much on the basepaths and your defense gets a bit tighter ...
polaris---you're way too rational for this thread.
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
fair and rational. you don't belong in this thread
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
fair and rational. you don't belong in this thread
this thread is epic tho ... philly fans have to be the most neurotic ... it's great!
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
you passed the test...nice work
that contract is exhibit A in how not to negotiate a deal from a team perspective.
polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
fair and rational. you don't belong in this thread
No please stay polaris.... I might come hang out a little more often
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you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
Yeah but Toronto is an awesome city. :thumbup:
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you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
Uh-Oh..a Maple leafs fan ?!?!
Beat it !!!
Just kidding..join the Flyers thread a lot more level headed discussions over there
(sometimes)
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you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
Yeah but Toronto is an awesome city. :thumbup:
yeah ... i like it here ... plus between here and Buffalo ... we get about as much PJ as any other town ...
you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
eeeeeeeeeexactly.
people who cannot appreciate this are crazy
Phillie Phanatic has been found..
My drinking team has a hockey problem
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
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Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
Uh-Oh..a Maple leafs fan ?!?!
Beat it !!!
Just kidding..join the Flyers thread a lot more level headed discussions over there
(sometimes)
now that carter is gone and they have a goalie even I have nothing to bitch about.
he's one of the few in this thread I haven't gotten bombed with. he's used my phils tix and I've used his eagles tix though.
I love debating sports. I dont mind if someone disagrees with me as long as they know what they're talking about (saying ryan howard is good does not meet this criteria)
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More great news in what has become the worst sports week in philly since the flyers choked away a 3-1 series lead in the 2000 ECF
Anthony Gose flashing star potential
October, 8, 2011Oct 81:18PM ETEmailPrintComments15
Toronto Blue Jays centerfielder Anthony Gose took a major step forward this year with his performance in AA at age 20, showing patience and a little more pop, with a strong .254/.358/.444 line against right-handed pitchers. He does need to improve against southpaws, and his line was boosted by a good home park (especially for left-handed hitters), but given his athleticism and other tools, the hitting line and the improvements in his swing that caused it are really promising.
The Blue Jays had tried to get Gose in the Halladay deal, recognizing that he had tremendous athleticism but no polish to his game, and after acquiring him last summer they spent the offseason working with him on finding more consistent, simpler swing mechanics. Out of high school, Gose started with a wide stance and drifted onto his front foot, almost without purpose, then generated most of the power in his swing with his hands, throwing the bat head at the ball with an inconsistent swing path and finish. Now, he's starting with a narrower base, striding forward to get his swing started, keeping his weight back longer and his back more stable, letting him drive through the ball and generate some power from his hips and legs while maintaining a much more consistent swing.
Gose is a 70 runner with a 70 arm (although the one game throw I saw was more of a 60, if you want to nit-pick) who should have plenty of range for centerfield, so the offensive baseline for him to be an average everyday player in the majors is pretty low. He still has a lot of improvements ahead of him to become a star but I am very optimistic about him reaching that. When the Jays traded Brett Wallace to Houston for Gose two summers ago, I didn't understand the deal, as Wallace was a polished, disciplined hitter while Gose was all tools but didn't have great performances or advanced mechanics. Wallace, it turns out, had a fatal flaw that was exposed in AAA and now in the majors -- he cannot turn on inside pitches, so he tries to go to the opposite field instead; with minimal defensive value and no apparent way to fix that flaw, he was expendable for the Jays. Gose, meanwhile, is no longer a tools goof but the kind of high-upside prospect Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos has said all along that he wants in the organization. Gose still needs work in some areas, including developing a viable two-strike approach, but the risk the Blue Jays took in acquiring him appears to be paying off in a huge way.
Cliffy, the Yanks still had a significantly higher payroll than the Phillies so I don't see how you can "rub it in". :?
Expectations, payroll or not. We didn't see it as a foregone conclusion that there would be a parade down the canyon of heroes all year.
Whatever makes you feel better.
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Besides Rollins,Utley and Doc the whole team sucked ass. It was a good season that ended way too early. If a fan of this team didn't enjoy the regular season then there not really a fan of that team. The ultimate goal wasn't reached and that can be blamed on the WHOLE TEAM. Oh and Vance worley sucking was another wrong statement.
Expectations, payroll or not. We didn't see it as a foregone conclusion that there would be a parade down the canyon of heroes all year.
Whatever makes you feel better.
I'm over it. Enjoyed it for 24 hours or so. Enjoying the thread today though.
just remember cliff, as long as the team does well in the regular season and makes the playoffs that's all that matters. most in this thread don't need to even watch the postseason since playoff success is gravy
and expecting the team with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB, who is favored to win it all, to get to the WS is irrational and pompous...even if some here were talking shit about this team all season.
Besides Rollins,Utley and Doc the whole team sucked ass. It was a good season that ended way too early. If a fan of this team didn't enjoy the regular season then there not really a fan of that team. The ultimate goal wasn't reached and that can be blamed on the WHOLE TEAM. Oh and Vance worley sucking was another wrong statement.
ah look, it's mr ryan howard himsself. was wondering if you would appear back here again. you should be on probation in this thread until your boy's contract is up. see you in 5 years
just remember cliff, as long as the team does well in the regular season and makes the playoffs that's all that matters. most in this thread don't need to even watch the postseason since playoff success is gravy
and expecting the team with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB, who is favored to win it all, to win the WS is irrational and pompous...even if some here were talking shit about this team all season.
That was my point yesterday or whenever. I was under the impression it was a cake walk to lifting the trophy, now no one gives a shit.
just remember cliff, as long as the team does well in the regular season and makes the playoffs that's all that matters. most in this thread don't need to even watch the postseason since playoff success is gravy
and expecting the team with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB, who is favored to win it all, to get to the WS is irrational and pompous...even if some here were talking shit about this team all season.
dude should we have expected a world series title or did the team suck and you aren't surprised they lost? you've been jerking yourself because you predicted a flame out but now you say you expected a world series title? which is it???
Besides Rollins,Utley and Doc the whole team sucked ass. It was a good season that ended way too early. If a fan of this team didn't enjoy the regular season then there not really a fan of that team. The ultimate goal wasn't reached and that can be blamed on the WHOLE TEAM. Oh and Vance worley sucking was another wrong statement.
ah look, it's mr ryan howard himsself. was wondering if you would appear back here again. you should be on probation in this thread until your boy's contract is up. see you in 5 years
As i've said before i like Howard even though he's over paid. I've never said he wasn't overpaid,i said that he's been extremely productive.
just remember cliff, as long as the team does well in the regular season and makes the playoffs that's all that matters. most in this thread don't need to even watch the postseason since playoff success is gravy
and expecting the team with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB, who is favored to win it all, to get to the WS is irrational and pompous...even if some here were talking shit about this team all season.
dude should we have expected a world series title or did the team suck and you aren't surprised they lost? you've been jerking yourself because you predicted a flame out but now you say you expected a world series title? which is it???
I expected them to get there. They were favored to win it all. In vegas they don't know how bad ryan howard is
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polaris, what do you think of ryan howard as a player
this will decide how rational you are
hahaha
i think every player these days has to be judged by their salary ... and howard is definitely not worth the money ... i also don't think he is a 4 hole hitter ... strikes out way too much ... but then again, i wouldn't have rollins leading off either ... i would have victorino leading off ...
fair and rational. you don't belong in this thread
this thread is epic tho ... philly fans have to be the most neurotic ... it's great!
you passed the test...nice work
that contract is exhibit A in how not to negotiate a deal from a team perspective.
No please stay polaris.... I might come hang out a little more often
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5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
you guys don't know how lucky you are ... 4 teams that make the playoffs (i think the eagles will still make the playoffs) ... with 2 good chances to have parades every year ... outside of boston ... don't know what other town can say that ...
definitely not toronto ... :(
Yeah but Toronto is an awesome city. :thumbup:
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Social awareness does not equal political activism!
5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
Uh-Oh..a Maple leafs fan ?!?!
Beat it !!!
Just kidding..join the Flyers thread a lot more level headed discussions over there
(sometimes)
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
yeah ... i like it here ... plus between here and Buffalo ... we get about as much PJ as any other town ...
eeeeeeeeeexactly.
people who cannot appreciate this are crazy
i'm in there ... haha ...
Phillie Phanatic has been found..
The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill
A protuberance of flesh above the waistband of a tight pair of trousers
beers would be on me to hang out with you two
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VIC 07
EV LA1 08
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Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
now that carter is gone and they have a goalie even I have nothing to bitch about.
Would be a great time!
he's one of the few in this thread I haven't gotten bombed with. he's used my phils tix and I've used his eagles tix though.
I love debating sports. I dont mind if someone disagrees with me as long as they know what they're talking about (saying ryan howard is good does not meet this criteria)
Vegas 93, Vegas 98, Vegas 00 (10 year show), Vegas 03, Vegas 06
VIC 07
EV LA1 08
Seattle1 09, Seattle2 09, Salt Lake 09, LA4 09
Columbus 10
EV LA 11
Vancouver 11
Missoula 12
Portland 13, Spokane 13
St. Paul 14, Denver 14
Anthony Gose flashing star potential
October, 8, 2011Oct 81:18PM ETEmailPrintComments15
Toronto Blue Jays centerfielder Anthony Gose took a major step forward this year with his performance in AA at age 20, showing patience and a little more pop, with a strong .254/.358/.444 line against right-handed pitchers. He does need to improve against southpaws, and his line was boosted by a good home park (especially for left-handed hitters), but given his athleticism and other tools, the hitting line and the improvements in his swing that caused it are really promising.
The Blue Jays had tried to get Gose in the Halladay deal, recognizing that he had tremendous athleticism but no polish to his game, and after acquiring him last summer they spent the offseason working with him on finding more consistent, simpler swing mechanics. Out of high school, Gose started with a wide stance and drifted onto his front foot, almost without purpose, then generated most of the power in his swing with his hands, throwing the bat head at the ball with an inconsistent swing path and finish. Now, he's starting with a narrower base, striding forward to get his swing started, keeping his weight back longer and his back more stable, letting him drive through the ball and generate some power from his hips and legs while maintaining a much more consistent swing.
Gose is a 70 runner with a 70 arm (although the one game throw I saw was more of a 60, if you want to nit-pick) who should have plenty of range for centerfield, so the offensive baseline for him to be an average everyday player in the majors is pretty low. He still has a lot of improvements ahead of him to become a star but I am very optimistic about him reaching that. When the Jays traded Brett Wallace to Houston for Gose two summers ago, I didn't understand the deal, as Wallace was a polished, disciplined hitter while Gose was all tools but didn't have great performances or advanced mechanics. Wallace, it turns out, had a fatal flaw that was exposed in AAA and now in the majors -- he cannot turn on inside pitches, so he tries to go to the opposite field instead; with minimal defensive value and no apparent way to fix that flaw, he was expendable for the Jays. Gose, meanwhile, is no longer a tools goof but the kind of high-upside prospect Toronto GM Alex Anthopoulos has said all along that he wants in the organization. Gose still needs work in some areas, including developing a viable two-strike approach, but the risk the Blue Jays took in acquiring him appears to be paying off in a huge way.
Expectations, payroll or not. We didn't see it as a foregone conclusion that there would be a parade down the canyon of heroes all year.
Whatever makes you feel better.
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I'm over it. Enjoyed it for 24 hours or so. Enjoying the thread today though.
just remember cliff, as long as the team does well in the regular season and makes the playoffs that's all that matters. most in this thread don't need to even watch the postseason since playoff success is gravy
and expecting the team with the 2nd highest payroll in MLB, who is favored to win it all, to get to the WS is irrational and pompous...even if some here were talking shit about this team all season.
ah look, it's mr ryan howard himsself. was wondering if you would appear back here again. you should be on probation in this thread until your boy's contract is up. see you in 5 years
That was my point yesterday or whenever. I was under the impression it was a cake walk to lifting the trophy, now no one gives a shit.
dude should we have expected a world series title or did the team suck and you aren't surprised they lost? you've been jerking yourself because you predicted a flame out but now you say you expected a world series title? which is it???
I expected them to get there. They were favored to win it all. In vegas they don't know how bad ryan howard is