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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    "werth is a very good baserunner, well we have seen him be a very good baserunner, but these last few weeks he has made a few mistakes"

    Said it again about the collision at the end of the inning.

    he just looks disinterested. like he's counting down the days until he gets paid. no way he's risking a potential injury going into his FA year.

    roger dorn-esque
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    FYI...just because it comes up so often here

    Chris (Falmouth)Can you explain why RBI is considered an archaic stat and what are the stats that should be paid more attention too?

    Klaw - Your RBI total is a function of who hits in front of you - if you have more guys on base when you bat, you get more RBI opportunities. If you want to get a picture of an individual player's actual contribution to his team, you need to use stats that are just a function of his performance, not his teammates'. Among basic stats OBP and SLG are more useful than AVG or raw RBI totals, and there are advanced stats like wOBA and WAR (which includes fielding, but not always the same metrics) that give a more complete picture.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    "werth is a very good baserunner, well we have seen him be a very good baserunner, but these last few weeks he has made a few mistakes"

    Said it again about the collision at the end of the inning.

    he just looks disinterested. like he's counting down the days until he gets paid. no way he's risking a potential injury going into his FA year.

    roger dorn-esque

    He didn't look like he cared when he got thrown out.

    Major League was on Vs. the other day. Great stuff.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,930
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    "werth is a very good baserunner, well we have seen him be a very good baserunner, but these last few weeks he has made a few mistakes"

    Said it again about the collision at the end of the inning.

    he just looks disinterested. like he's counting down the days until he gets paid. no way he's risking a potential injury going into his FA year.

    roger dorn-esque

    that is why Brown needs to play at least twice a week against righties. Werth and Victorino are playing like shit.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    That was as weak of a swing as you will ever see. 1st time watching the phillies in a while.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:

    "werth is a very good baserunner, well we have seen him be a very good baserunner, but these last few weeks he has made a few mistakes"

    Said it again about the collision at the end of the inning.

    he just looks disinterested. like he's counting down the days until he gets paid. no way he's risking a potential injury going into his FA year.

    roger dorn-esque

    that is why Brown needs to play at least twice a week against righties. Werth and Victorino are playing like shit.

    they should put brown at first until gload comes off the DL
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    That was as weak of a swing as you will ever see. 1st time watching the phillies in a while.

    dude, I see that swing at least once every game. somehow it's worth $125 million
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    That was as weak of a swing as you will ever see. 1st time watching the phillies in a while.

    dude, I see that swing at least once every game. somehow it's worth $125 million

    Just brutal
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,930
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    That was as weak of a swing as you will ever see. 1st time watching the phillies in a while.

    dude, I see that swing at least once every game. somehow it's worth $125 million

    it's not the swing and misses that are worth $125 million... Still have faith he will be there in a big way in the big games in september like the always is.

    and watching him swing and miss is as much fun as watching your boy Chase watch EVERY fn 1st pitch fastball go right down the middle of the plate for a strike.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    Dude good call on the dorn comparison. That is FB worthy.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    That was as weak of a swing as you will ever see. 1st time watching the phillies in a while.

    dude, I see that swing at least once every game. somehow it's worth $125 million

    it's not the swing and misses that are worth $125 million... Still have faith he will be there in a big way in the big games in september like the always is.

    and watching him swing and miss is as much fun as watching your boy Chase watch EVERY fn 1st pitch fastball go right down the middle of the plate for a strike.

    wow. just wow. you really are clueless
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,930
    The Fixer wrote:
    wow. just wow. you really are clueless

    how so? doesn't Chase let every 1st pitch strike go by? Ryan will produce as always. relax he goes through these stretches. he will break out at the right moment - but i'm sure when he does you'll have some other explanation.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    wow. just wow. you really are clueless

    how so? doesn't Chase let every 1st pitch strike go by? Ryan will produce as always. relax he goes through these stretches. he will break out at the right moment - but i'm sure when he does you'll have some other explanation.

    do you know what working a count means? your boy howard obviously doesn't.

    michael bourn is fucking rickey henderson all of a sudden
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    That is incredible.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,930
    edited August 2010
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    wow. just wow. you really are clueless

    how so? doesn't Chase let every 1st pitch strike go by? Ryan will produce as always. relax he goes through these stretches. he will break out at the right moment - but i'm sure when he does you'll have some other explanation.

    do you know what working a count means? your boy howard obviously doesn't.

    michael bourn is fucking rickey henderson all of a sudden

    yes but Chase does it on at least 95% of his at-bats. check it out sometime instead of trying to calculate his war.

    you are literally the only person in baseball who'd rather see Ross Gload at 1st than Ryan Howard. Even Ross Gload's mother doesn't believe you could possible mean that.

    michael bourn - how is this guy only hitting .250? he hits like .500 against the Phils.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    wow. just wow. you really are clueless

    how so? doesn't Chase let every 1st pitch strike go by? Ryan will produce as always. relax he goes through these stretches. he will break out at the right moment - but i'm sure when he does you'll have some other explanation.

    do you know what working a count means? your boy howard obviously doesn't.

    michael bourn is fucking rickey henderson all of a sudden

    Unless a batter is guessing 1st pitch, most good hitters take the 1st pitch for the most part.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:

    how so? doesn't Chase let every 1st pitch strike go by? Ryan will produce as always. relax he goes through these stretches. he will break out at the right moment - but i'm sure when he does you'll have some other explanation.

    do you know what working a count means? your boy howard obviously doesn't.

    michael bourn is fucking rickey henderson all of a sudden

    yes but Chase does it on at least 95% of his at-bats. check it out sometime instead of trying to calculate his war.

    michael bourn - how is this guy only hitting .250? he hits like .500 against the Phils.

    just look at utley's OBP. even during a 'down' year, he's still getting on base. howard wouldn't have so many neat, shiny RBI without a guy like utley hitting in front of him.

    to complain about utley not swinging at the first pitch is 610 material. come on dude. you made some decent points earlier today. You're letting your frustration with the phils play go to your head (I'm guilty of this too at times).
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,930
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Unless a batter is guessing 1st pitch, most good hitters take the 1st pitch for the most part.

    most good hitters aren't hitting .260
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,539
    Chase utley can take strike one because he'll make contact. The dude has a career OBP of 380 something. Fucking ridiculous to even come close to comparing how utley and Howard approach the plate. Howard guesses. Not get off his dick. That's 12 Ks over this series.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,029
    pjhawks wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Unless a batter is guessing 1st pitch, most good hitters take the 1st pitch for the most part.

    most good hitters aren't hitting .260

    True.

    On the other side though, I have been complaining all year about Jeter swinging at the 1st pitch too much and grounding out(as much as I will ever complain about Jeter)
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