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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    You are officially seeing the ship sinking. blub blub blub blub blub....
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Solat13 wrote:
    I don't think it will be Oswalt. I think it will be someone like Ben Sheets.

    If the Phils got Oswalt, their committed payroll next year would be $150.7 million already. To give you an idea how high that is, the Yankees committed payroll next year is $144.6 million.

    That move would severely limit the Phils from making any offseason moves.

    I agree with this. I don't see oswalt as a fit. And haren isn't going anywhere.

    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.ph ... touchable/

    I think we're looking at the phils getting a secondary piece like sheets or lilly, which would be an upgrade, but probably not enough to boost this team to the playoffs. so it's probably not even worth it if they don't have said players under contract for next year
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    So Happ's coming up to take Moyer's spot, and I'm assuming they'll still do something. But whatever, it doesn't matter.

    James Shields I'm hearing as well.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    So Happ's coming up to take Moyer's spot, and I'm assuming they'll still do something. But whatever, it doesn't matter.

    James Shields I'm hearing as well.

    Interesting about Shields, but I can't see Tampa cutting ties with him. He's got a pretty reasonable contract and they're already letting Pena, Soriano and Crawford walk at the end of the year.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Shields would be a great pickup for you guys. He will not come cheap though, think he is under team control for 4 years.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    James Shields I'm hearing as well.

    ugh, never been a big fan. and they add another terrible nickname. perfect
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Shields would be a great pickup for you guys. He will not come cheap though, think he is under team control for 4 years.

    If he's under control for 4 years I don't see why tampa would trade him. I know they have hellickson waiting in the wings to take a spot in the rotation, but trading a guy with that kind of contract completely contradicts their organizational philosophy. but what the hell do I know
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Shields would be a great pickup for you guys. He will not come cheap though, think he is under team control for 4 years.

    If he's under control for 4 years I don't see why tampa would trade him. I know they have hellickson waiting in the wings to take a spot in the rotation, but trading a guy with that kind of contract completely contradicts their organizational philosophy. but what the hell do I know

    Shields signed a contract from 08-11 and Tampa has club options on him each year from 12-14.

    So he is under team control until 2014. I just don't see Tampa trading him away unless they get a ton. Especially in the middle of a playoff race.
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Yeah fixer, his numbers are not as good as I thought they were but he is pretty good and cheap for 4 years.

    You're right though. It does not make a lot of sense for the rays. I think it would take quite a bit more than a rental werth.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    Olney on ESPN now....
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Yeah fixer, his numbers are not as good as I thought they were but he is pretty good and cheap for 4 years.

    You're right though. It does not make a lot of sense for the rays. I think it would take quite a bit more than a rental werth.

    his numbers would obviously improve if he gets out of the AL east. My judgement is skewed because I think he's a giant douche
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    edited July 2010
    Please no Sheets,Shields,Lilly. I'd be happy with Oswalt,Westbrook,Myers, Haren and i'm not even sure if he's on the block but Zach Duke.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Olney on ESPN now....

    let me know what he says. I refuse to put that channel on
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    edited July 2010
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  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Please no Sheets,Shields,Lilly. I'd be happy with Oswalt,Westbrook,Myers, Haren and i'm not even sure if he's on the block but Zach Duke.

    zack duke? really man? that dude fucking stinks. he's having a HORRIBLE year
  • jamminpearls
    jamminpearls Posts: 7,078
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Please no Sheets,Shields,Lilly. I'd be happy with Oswalt,Westbrook,Myers, Haren and i'm not even sure if he's on the block but Zach Duke.

    zack duke? really man? that dude fucking stinks. he's having a HORRIBLE year
    Young talented pitcher who would probably do very well with a team that dosen't suck balls every year. He's got good stuff and we were looking at him last year.
    Go Birds!!!!
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    The Fixer wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Olney on ESPN now....

    let me know what he says. I refuse to put that channel on

    He said him and Stark are hearing the Phils are really pressing to have something done this week. And he keeps stressing Oswalt. Said that they definitely wanna make a deal for a frontline starter, and not a 3 or 4. And someone they can control pass this season. And Amaro will bring Brown up in a heartbeat if there's a way - ie trading Werth. And of course everything came back to the Lee trade, and Kruk just went off how this city will be livid. Happy that they get Oswalt, but livid due to not keeping Lee for 9 mil.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,030
    Zach duke has a 1.7 whip this year and 1.5 for his career. Ouch.
  • The Fixer
    The Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Zach duke has a 1.7 whip this year and 1.5 for his career. Ouch.

    he blows. I'd seriously rather have kendrick in the rotation. at least he's cheap
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,548
    The Fixer wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    Please no Sheets,Shields,Lilly. I'd be happy with Oswalt,Westbrook,Myers, Haren and i'm not even sure if he's on the block but Zach Duke.

    zack duke? really man? that dude fucking stinks. he's having a HORRIBLE year

    Duke, Westbrook, and Sheets all fucking suck. Myers, Shield, and Lilly are decent. And Oswalt & Haren being the studs.
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