***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

jamminpearls wrote:

Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.

The Fixer wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

gentlemen...gentlemen....

did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?

there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.

gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...

I'm not saying it's over, but this team is frustrating. What pisses me off is their holier than thou attitude and general lack of emotion.

The wild card is gonna be next to impossible to win since cincy/STL play in that joke of a division. They will be playing pittsburgh, houston, chicago in sept. Barring injuries I think you can pencil those two teams into the playoffs right now. The phils need to catch atlanta. Not impossible, but it's never a good idea to give the team you're chasing a 6 game lead with only 2 months to go.

The Fixer wrote:

I'm too lazy to look up the schedule, but don't they play them 6 times in the final 2 weeks of the season? Obviously don't want to be in a position to have to win all 6 of those games.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.

A very sound philosophy.

I feel as if your placating me...

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

And I don't think it matters that they don't have that 60 mil. Personally, I don't want that 60 mil, nor do they need it since their core is already in order, but they have the financial freedom to make moves. They're just going to have problems, if they miss the playoffs, explaining to the public why ticket prices went up again.

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.

myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Fixer, like I said, and trying to reiterate your comment that hopefully Amaro doesn't fuck this team up. Then, by that, I just hope he doesn't make any irrational decisions just to stay in the race this year. I don't think it's worth it. If it means trading Werth to make you stronger in 2011, by all means do it. Don't do it to try and tread water for two months. This team is spending a shit load, so it's comfortably easy to say - financially - this team will always be in the hunt. Just as long as that money isn't committed to the wrong players. And also by not pissing away anymore prospects on rentals - ie see Boston or St. Louis about teams who have gotten tremendous help from their farm system this season. I'm willing to sacrifice the rest of this year to be back on the horse next year, and the many more following.

myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.

Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Fans also need to understand they have a good core and will be back in it, if people are giving up season tickets after one bad season, the Phillies have bigger problems.

It will happen. philly is not a good baseball town.

kendrick sent down, carpenter promoted. further proof that happ is not helping this year

It's not that it isn't a baseball town, as much as too many numbskulls approach the game with an "Eagles mentality" - a football mentality. Plus, A LOT of people have been spoiled by what they've done the past few years. I don't think the majority of season ticket holders will go away, but it won't nearly be like this year if they took a step back - ie I'll be able to get a ticket to at least every postseason series again, hopefully. Hell, it might be a good thing. This year has been the pinnacle of the Phillies being "The Place To Be" - too many douches just wanting to be there to be seen and take pictures for Facebook. Yuck.

The Fixer wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

myers wont cost them much at all...pulll the trigger on that...and call up the kid. bang. done.

Ya see, to me, calling Brown up too early is an irrational decision. The cost of what he could bring in the next two months compared to what they may lose by bringing him up too early and stunting his growth doesn't equal out in my book. I believe in this developing shit, and think it would be a terrible decision to put too much on his shoulders. It's a different story to bring him up on August 31st just in case they make the playoffs and he would become eligible for that roster. That way he gets everyday playing time still in the minors till the AAA teams ceases in early September, and doesn't put too much on his back. There's no reason to accelerate this process.

I'm pretty much in agreement with this. unless they trade werth, brown should stay in AAA. I'd love to see them move werth to LF and platoon brown/francisco in RF, with ibanez going to the bench...but that ain't gonna happen. ya know, since amaro overpaid for ibanez by about 20 million