***The Official Philadelphia Phillies 2012 Thread***

Phantom Pain

Can you guys hug me and tell me it's all gonna be alright ?

The Fixer

Phantom Pain wrote:

Can you guys hug me and tell me it's all gonna be alright ?

wish I had something more positive to say, but all I've got is there are still 70+ games left. amazingly, this team hasn't completely buried itself in the standings.

time is running out, but the season is far from over

Phantom Pain

The Fixer wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

Can you guys hug me and tell me it's all gonna be alright ?

wish I had something more positive to say, but all I've got is there are still 70+ games left. amazingly, this team hasn't completely buried itself in the standings.

time is running out, but the season is far from over

How can this team be in a funk for so long ? :roll:

It's becoming unwatchable...like the teams when I was growing up

Jearlpam0925

Phantom Pain wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

Phantom Pain wrote:

Can you guys hug me and tell me it's all gonna be alright ?

wish I had something more positive to say, but all I've got is there are still 70+ games left. amazingly, this team hasn't completely buried itself in the standings.

time is running out, but the season is far from over

How can this team be in a funk for so long ? :roll:

It's becoming unwatchable...like the teams when I was growing up

Because it's not a funk, it's a fucking trend.

The Juggler

neilybabes86 wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

3 out of 4 to the cubs is the funniest thing of all

viewtopic.php?f=14&t=121118&hilit=+fraud

please acquire some credibility before posting with the big boys. thanks.

born and raised in ny bud..


you never answered my sixers question ..ya know about the best thing they did in the last 10 years was open for PJ

born and raised in ny....and a laker fan for life: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=121118&hilit=+fraud

the sixers opened for pj? the sixers haven't played at the spectrum since 1996 dude.
by that "rationale" your hometown knicks opened for pj a couple months ago in msg. i reckon you're an idiot.

The Juggler

The Philadelphia Phillies are banged up, despite the return of Placido Polanco, and need pitching help if they are to give themselves another shot at playing in the World Series.

The Phillies may be willing to move right fielder Jayson Werth, since they can bring up prospect Domonic Brown to fill in. Several clubs, such as the Tampa Bay Rays, Boston Red Sox, Los Angeles Angels, San Diego Padres and San Francisco Giants, are reportedly seeking offensive help, perhaps in the outfield.

There are also clubs with a pitcher they could spare in return for young players, such as Cleveland with Jake Westbrook and Fausto Carmona, Houston with Roy Oswalt and the Cubs with Ted Lilly. While Brown and right-hander Jarred Cosart are likely off-limits, the Phillies could offer right-hander Trevor May, OF Anthony Gose or catcher Sebastian Valle in a deal.

Considering the age of the Phillies current roster, it's possible they put together some sort of go-for-broke approach this season when it comes to trading youth for proven veterans. We don't think they like the idea of surrendering their division crown, so stay tuned. Moves might be coming, and they might be of large impact.

The Fixer

This team stinks.

yep, I said it

The Juggler

The Fixer wrote:

This team stinks.

yep, I said it

at least they're hitting tonight :roll:

jamminpearls

The Fixer wrote:

This team stinks.

yep, I said it

As soon as we scored the 3 runs i turned to my wife and said were gonna lose tonight. She thought i was crazy,but anytime the phillies spot kendrick early runs he gives up a shitload everytime. I am so annoyed with this team right now that its getting hard to watch. But i haven't and won't quit on the season until there's no more games left to watch. But man this season has been brutal and were still in the hunt,here's to something big happening real soon.

Jearlpam0925

Personally, I don't think this team shouldn't make any rash changes. I say trade Werth ASAP because it's either get something for him now, with whom are proven, or get two draft picks - which you don't know what you're getting. Do that now, and call it a wrap. Anything better than where they are now would be a plus for me now. I'm willing to accept this season is over and build for 2011. There's no reason to trade away any more prospects. They need bats and they're obviously not going for that at the trade deadline, so I think they should just slow their role and take a step back this year. The only person I'd trade for a "now" aspect of winning by trading away prospects as well as Werth would be Oswalt. You get him for this season, plus the next two I believe. See if you can trade away Ibanez for a bucket of used condoms in the offseason, and go after another outfielder. Everybody seems to be thinking Werth is #1 on the list for 5 tool outfielders to be signed. So if this is true, let the Yankees sign him. Because I want Carl Crawford, and I could see that happening. There's no saying they wouldn't/couldn't go after him if the market is predicting Werth to get the most money out of any OF FA. The Phils have eaten payroll before, and I don't think they would have any problem like paying Raul's contract and paying Crawford. And I don't care about a lefty heavy lineup. Having CC would be dope. Again, this is what I would like to happen, not what is really going to happen.

neilybabes86

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Personally, I don't think this team shouldn't make any rash changes. I say trade Werth ASAP because it's either get something for him now, with whom are proven, or get two draft picks - which you don't know what you're getting. Do that now, and call it a wrap. Anything better than where they are now would be a plus for me now. I'm willing to accept this season is over and build for 2011. There's no reason to trade away any more prospects. They need bats and they're obviously not going for that at the trade deadline, so I think they should just slow their role and take a step back this year. The only person I'd trade for a "now" aspect of winning by trading away prospects as well as Werth would be Oswalt. You get him for this season, plus the next two I believe. See if you can trade away Ibanez for a bucket of used condoms in the offseason, and go after another outfielder. Everybody seems to be thinking Werth is #1 on the list for 5 tool outfielders to be signed. So if this is true, let the Yankees sign him. Because I want Carl Crawford, and I could see that happening. There's no saying they wouldn't/couldn't go after him if the market is predicting Werth to get the most money out of any OF FA. The Phils have eaten payroll before, and I don't think they would have any problem like paying Raul's contract and paying Crawford. And I don't care about a lefty heavy lineup. Having CC would be dope. Again, this is what I would like to happen, not what is really going to happen.

sorry bud CC # 2 WILL ALSO BE IN PINSTRIPES NEXT YEAR

Cliffy6745

JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.

From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.

Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.

Johnny Abruzzo

When did our centerfielder turn into Steve Jeltz? Horrible at bat in the, what was it, 7th last night. They just gave up after the 5th.

neilybabes86

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.

From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.

Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.

werth?? he sucks forget him

Cliffy6745

neilybabes86 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.

From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.

Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.

werth?? he sucks forget him

I don't see it happening in any situation.

neilybabes86

Cliffy6745 wrote:

neilybabes86 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

JP, I don't see Werth being the number 1 ouitfielder on the market this year. I think that is clearly Crawford. I also read on MLBTR yesterday he could be asking for $17 mil like Holliday. I don't see him getting that but I definitely think he is the top OF available.

From everything I read the Yankees offseason wishlist goes Lee, Crawford, Werth. Depending on what it takes to sign Jeter and Mo, I don't really see the Yankees being able to sign 2 of them unless a big spike in payroll is approved which I also don't see with Hal running the show. With Gardner being a poor mans Crawford, I think they may settle for just Lee.

Either way, I absolutely think Crawford is by far the best outfielder available.

werth?? he sucks forget him

I don't see it happening in any situation.

let's hope not because he is a blowhole who had 1 or 2 good seasons

jamminpearls

Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.

The Juggler

gentlemen...gentlemen....

did we give up after the germans bombed pearl harbor?

there's still over 2 months of baseball to be played and we're only a handful of games out of the playoffs right now with our best player not on the field.

gotta at least wait until we see what we do at the trade deadline before waiving the white flag...

The Fixer

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

Personally, I don't think this team shouldn't make any rash changes. I say trade Werth ASAP because it's either get something for him now, with whom are proven, or get two draft picks - which you don't know what you're getting. Do that now, and call it a wrap. Anything better than where they are now would be a plus for me now. I'm willing to accept this season is over and build for 2011. There's no reason to trade away any more prospects. They need bats and they're obviously not going for that at the trade deadline, so I think they should just slow their role and take a step back this year. The only person I'd trade for a "now" aspect of winning by trading away prospects as well as Werth would be Oswalt. You get him for this season, plus the next two I believe. See if you can trade away Ibanez for a bucket of used condoms in the offseason, and go after another outfielder. Everybody seems to be thinking Werth is #1 on the list for 5 tool outfielders to be signed. So if this is true, let the Yankees sign him. Because I want Carl Crawford, and I could see that happening. There's no saying they wouldn't/couldn't go after him if the market is predicting Werth to get the most money out of any OF FA. The Phils have eaten payroll before, and I don't think they would have any problem like paying Raul's contract and paying Crawford. And I don't care about a lefty heavy lineup. Having CC would be dope. Again, this is what I would like to happen, not what is really going to happen.

I think crawford is a much better player than werth...and he will get more money as a FA. werth has only really had 1 full season as an everyday player before 2010. crawford has been doing his thing for a while. and crawford is having a much better year than werth.

oswalt would be nice, but I don't see it happening. I think his contract is for next year with an option for a 2nd year. He's not cheap though, and the phils are working on a fixed budget. Don't see it happening.

At this point I don't care if they start trading guys. I just want them to do SOMETHING. Like I said, the future of the phillies in amaro's hands gives me nightmares.

The Fixer

jamminpearls wrote:

Trade Lidge and Werth to boston for papelbon and maybe a prospect. Don't think boston has resigned him yet,this would help the phillies in two areas. Then we'd have to figure out how to dump raul and sign a lf who hits right.

Have you seen papeldouche pitch this year? I wouldn't touch that dude with a 10' pole. And he's a free agent after 2011 (he's still got an arb year too, which makes him even more unappealing since he'll be making $10+ million). No thanks. They should be able to get more for werth than a struggling reliever. If they're trading werth they better get either a top prospect who is MLB-ready within a year, or a SP that they control through 2011.

Also, no one is taking Lidge in a trade.

I don't mind francisco as part of a LF platoon. Ibanez is the problem, he is terrible.

I have full confidence that amaro is gonna fuck things up royally over the next week and a half leading up to the deadline.