the death penalty

gimmesometruth27 · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"

murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder

so let me get this straight....
murder= deliberately ending the life of another.
capital punishment is deliberately ending the life of another.
so by your definition those two things are different??????
the definition of capital punishment is fucking murder.
how the hell can you not see that?
it is an undisputable and undeniable FACT.

it does not take a brain surgeon to figure that one out now does it?

bill
can't we just agree to disagree without becoming angry
you say
both processes result in the END OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S LIFE!!
i say
when someone murders
their rights to be a human being has ended
you see it one way
i see it another
we are just talking here
trying to make sense of it

no i am not agreeing to disagree.
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.

ed243421 · July 2010

[no i am not agreeing to disagree.
it is black and white
both are the direct ending of a human being's life.
period. end of sentence, end of paragraph, end of story, ok?????
you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away.
if a bull gores someone during the "running of the bulls" is the bull no longer a bull?
you sound like a 7 year old asking all of these ridiculous questions.[/quote]

wow
ok
you do know that we execute some murderers here in this country, right
i did not invent this
so, let me get this right,
i am no longer allowed to think on my own
should i check with you on every decision i make
or just those involving laws?

"you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away"
isn't this what we do when we execute a murderer?

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

I don't give a shit who you are.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY SOMEONE ELSE'S RIGHT TO LIFE. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT. And I'm not yelling, just making sure people read it, mmkay?

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

"you can not give up your right to being a human being and you cant take that right away"
isn't this what we do when we execute a murderer?

yep. and it's wrong. he's saying it in the sense that we SHOULDN'T be doing it.

Godfather. · July 2010

I think both sides have good points, I hope non of us have to ever make that kind of call.
Godfather.

chadwick · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I don't give a shit who you are.

NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO DENY SOMEONE ELSE'S RIGHT TO LIFE. SIMPLE AS FUCKING THAT. And I'm not yelling, just making sure people read it, mmkay?

love you brother
let's do a bong or many
this debate sucks thc worm balls... which is not half bad

torture sucks
violence sucks
it all sucks

someone somewhere has to do the dirty work
it's not a holiday cruise fighting criminals

whatever it takes, god damn, dude
again... let them do their jobs

do not these extreme maniacs make you ill?
are you not releaved when they pass on?

holy shit
unbelievable

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

chadwick wrote:

do not these extreme maniacs make you ill?
are you not releaved when they pass on?

yep.
nope.

_ · July 2010

Godfather. wrote:

I think both sides have good points, I hope non of us have to ever make that kind of call.
Godfather.

The problem is that we all DO have to make that kind of call, when we vote.

chadwick · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

chadwick wrote:

do not these extreme maniacs make you ill?
are you not releaved when they pass on?

yep.
nope.

why?
please help me understand.

please...

i will return after a bowl and a water break.
i never drink water within 300 feet of this system.

brb, love u bro and a hug

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

I've been trying to for days. I just don't think you will ever understand my stance, nor will I yours.

Bottom line for me is I don't see the point in the death penalty. What does it do? It costs more money for the taxpayer......it is PROVEN not to deter people from committing crimes that call for the DP.......I think making someone live in jail for the rest of their natural life is a very suitable punishment. It ain't club med, as you've well described. So why give the murderer the "easy" way out? Make the sick fuck suffer with Big Bubba in the shower for 30 years. Or put him in a mental institution if he belongs there. Whichever. The main issue is protection of society.

If you've got an animal behind bars, you don't need to shoot it so it won't bite you.

chadwick wrote:

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

chadwick wrote:

do not these extreme maniacs make you ill?
are you not releaved when they pass on?

yep.
nope.

why?
please help me understand.

please...

i will return after a bowl and a water break.
i never drink water within 300 feet of this system.

brb, love u bro and a hug

chadwick · July 2010

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

I've been trying to for days. I just don't think you will ever understand my stance, nor will I yours.

Bottom line for me is I don't see the point in the death penalty. What does it do? It costs more money for the taxpayer......it is PROVEN not to deter people from committing crimes that call for the DP.......I think making someone live in jail for the rest of their natural life is a very suitable punishment. It ain't club med, as you've well described. So why give the murderer the "easy" way out? Make the sick fuck suffer with Big Bubba in the shower for 30 years. Or put him in a mental institution if he belongs there. Whichever. The main issue is protection of society.

If you've got an animal behind bars, you don't need to shoot it so it won't bite you.

Billy Pumpkin wrote:

.............

i am spinning
the light sounds like Sara
i remember the bad man behind the blue laser
the poet of execution
nowhere somewhere all at once
the swiftness then vanish
a head falls down'
a hole or half a neck

somehow a piece of sky opens the light a song at sleep no more real dreams of screaming
let it rest

cincybearcat · July 2010

Byrnzie wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

For the record, I avoid killing bugs, slugs, snails, and chipmunks. Hell, I would even rather let a flower grow than pick it.

I agree with Scb, I would put down a dog if it was in pain and inevitably dying. That's it.

So I answered your questions.

Here's some for you:
1. Are you aware of the case of the West Memphis 3? Will you be so happy if/when Damien Echols is executed?
if you arent aware of the story, answer here first, then google it. He and three others were convicted of murdering and torturing 3 eight year old boys.

2. Lets say you are in a convenience store buying something, when all of a sudden someone comes in and strangles the clerk and kills him. You are left standing there and someone calls the police. Then you are implicated. Then some old person with poor vision says you matched the description of the person entering the store. Holy shit, now you're on Death Row! Still like the Death Penalty? I doubt it.

Oh goodie...we get to make up stories now.

Typical post from you. You jump into a thread with a snide remark.

Seriously pal, you really need to quit with the trolling.

Typical post from you...attacking me. I'm use to it. I was in the thread a long time, just been reading lately. Don't call me pal if you going to act like an ass.

cincybearcat · July 2010

Byrnzie wrote:

He does it all the time, and thinks it's clever because the mods never seem to notice. And when anyone calls him out on it he gets all defensive.

Pm me if you have an issue with me.

JonnyPistachio · July 2010

ed243421 wrote:

in reference to the west memphis 3
with a case this fucked up by police mistakes
i would never execute
in fact
as stated before
only the easy one's should fry
it's not for every murder case
a confession
caught in the act
video proof
cell phone gps proof
any real proof
some murders do go unsolved

but to those who use this case as an anti-dp example
what do you say when there is a video of a murder that clearly shows the identity of the killer?

i know, i know
nobody should die

Unfortunately that’s not how it works. It has never worked like that and it doesn’t appear that it ever will work like that. This scenario you state doesn’t really have much bearing on this debate because it doesn’t exist.

ed243421 wrote:

"If murder is wrong, then it should be wrong for everyone"

murder is wrong
murder is murder
an execution is not murder if it is seen as punishment
don't want to get executed?
don't murder

Again, Damien Echols might not have murdered, but it is looking like the state ending his life is getting closer and closer.

Your two quotes here kinda seem to contradict each other in the sense that there have been innocent people executed. I don’t know, maybe we are arguing different points? You seem more hypothetical – like if it was up to you, 100% proof of murder = death penalty. My point is the DP as it is right now is a terribly flawed system and I don’t see the point if there are mistakes.

JonnyPistachio · July 2010

Byrnzie wrote:

chadwick wrote:

the death penalty will always exist.

Not neccesarily. Most civilized countries have stopped it. The U.S is not a civilized country, and remains on the same moral level as Iran and China. The death penalty is barbaric and pointless, and as far as I'm concerned anyone who supports it is an immoral, shallow hypocrite.

Byrnzie, good point. I meant to bring that up too. I really can't see it being around forever, but thats just my opinion and my "hopes" talking.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · July 2010

Fact: For every 7 executions since 1976, 1 other prisoner on death row has been found innocent.

And you people are ok with this? FOURTEEN PERCENT POTENTIALLY WRONGFUL EXECUTIONS? And how many more that have not even been investigated before the sentence was carried out? These people have children, wives, husbands, parents, friends, but most importantly, LIVES. And this process STOLE THEIR LIFE FROM THEM. And ruined countless lives along with it.

That fact in itself should be enough to abolish the death penalty. If you are for the death penalty, you are for it in its current state, which is horribly flawed.

And that's even setting aside the immorality of killing ANY human being. It's just not our, as humans, choice to make. End of story.

OnTheEdge · July 2010

scb wrote:

ed243421 wrote:

what would you do with it than?
and if it was your child and your dog?

It depends on the circumstances and I'm sure it would be a tough situation regardless. I'd probably give the dog away. But thankfully I don't have a kid or a dog so I'm not going to be in that situation.

I actually do have a somewhat vicious cat though. (I know, it's not the same.) The vets refuse to see him for their own safety. He once "attacked" my best friend's 3-year-old. Nearly got his eye (but he's fine now, without even a scar). You know what I did? I told my friend to teach her kids to not crawl face-first under small tables with animals and block them into corners.

yeah yeah yeah, give the dog to someone else so it can do it again. some of the statements on this thread are making really good entertainment to me and some friends.

Sorry for all of a sudden jumping in, but i've been reading this thread all along and just had to reply on this one.

OnTheEdge · July 2010

Also, I don't understand how people buy into this theory that putting a dirtbag down is more expensive. We shelter and feed these dirtbags for their entire lives and then when they get old we spend BILLIONS of dollars to feed them meds trying to KEEP them alive and healthy for as long as possible.

I have to agree with chad and the liking. If it's a hands down case(DNA Evidence, confession, video, or witness) put a bullet in their head and be done with it.

JonnyPistachio · July 2010

OnTheEdge wrote:

Also, I don't understand how people buy into this theory that putting a dirtbag down is more expensive.

Some stats from my home state:
Florida Spends Millions Extra per Year on Death Penalty
Florida would save $51 million each year by punishing all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole, according to estimates by the Palm Beach Post. Based on the 44 executions Florida has carried out since 1976, that amounts to an approximate cost of $24 million for each execution. This finding takes into account the relatively few inmates who are actually executed, as well as the time and effort expended on capital defendants who are tried but convicted of a lesser murder charge, and those whose death sentences are overturned on appeal. ("The High Price of Killing Killers," Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000)

Florida Spent Average of $3.2 Million per Execution from 1973 to 1988
During that time period, Florida spent an estimated $57 million on the death penalty to achieve 18 executions. ("Bottom Line: Life in Prison One-Sixth as Expensive," Miami Herald, July 10, 1988)

OnTheEdge wrote:

If it's a hands down case(DNA Evidence, confession, video, or witness) put a bullet in their head and be done with it.

yeah, because witnesses are always 100% credible? :roll:

TriumphantAngel · July 2010

OnTheEdge wrote:

Also, I don't understand how people buy into this theory that putting a dirtbag down is more expensive. We shelter and feed these dirtbags for their entire lives and then when they get old we spend BILLIONS of dollars to feed them meds trying to KEEP them alive and healthy for as long as possible.

it's not theory. it's fact. educate yourself.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

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