That should reduce the population of the U.S by a few million then.
correct........reduce the population swiftly and end the worthless things that prey upon children.
Who said anything about 'preying on children'? The age of consent is different from state to state, right? It's also different from country to country.
Anyway, you propose killing everyone in California who has had sex with someone under the age of 18? And what percentage of the population of California would that be? 80%? 90%?
byrnzie... youre an excitable guy. you make me smile with amusement soemtimes. you know theres a difference between preying on children and having sex with someone under the age of 18. and you know gecko isnt advocating executing 20 year old tommy cause he had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
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i envision myself blowing haynes head off in the courthouse
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if i were married with 2 daughter
some piece of garbage
tortured, raped, and murdered my wife and 2 daughters
i'd go insane
drink more whiskey than imaginable
sporadic out of control behavior
and pass a weapon straight through the evil monster's head who took my family=my life, my loved life's breath
from me... over with
i'd never care for 1 second if it meant prison for me or not
i'd probably be set free...
good point.......if the intent of the thing is that of malice towards the young.
O.k, thanks for clarifying.
I was debating this subject somewhere else the other day and I found it strange that if we in the West base our moral code on religion - specifically Christianity and/or the Catholic Church - that it's surely problematic that the age of consent in the Vatican - which is classified as a country in itself - is 12.
I was debating this subject somewhere else the other day and I found it strange that if we in the West base our moral code on religion - specifically Christianity and/or the Catholic Church - that it's surely problematic that the age of consent in the Vatican - which is classified as a country in itself - is 12.
this is the speech robert kennedy made on the night of dr kings murder. i think it is relevant to this conversation.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening, because I have some -- some very sad news for all of you -- Could you lower those signs, please? -- I have some very sad news for all of you, and, I think, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world; and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.
We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization -- black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand, and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion, and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to fill with -- be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.
But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote:
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart,
until, in our own despair,
against our will,
comes wisdom
through the awful grace of God.
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love, and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King -- yeah, it's true -- but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past, but we -- and we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
And let's dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
Thank you very much.
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you know gecko isnt advocating executing 20 year old tommy cause he had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
O.k, what about if 20 year old Pedro had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend in Spain, or 30 year old Louis has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend in France?
What I'm getting at here is, is this merely a question of adherence to a country's laws, or something else? Because in over 20 European countries consensual sex with an under 16 isn't a crime.
I was debating this subject somewhere else the other day and I found it strange that if we in the West base our moral code on religion - specifically Christianity and/or the Catholic Church - that it's surely problematic that the age of consent in the Vatican - which is classified as a country in itself - is 12.
you know gecko isnt advocating executing 20 year old tommy cause he had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
O.k, what about if 20 year old Pedro had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend in Spain, or 30 year old Louis has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend in France?
What I'm getting at here is, is this merely a question of adherence to a country's laws, or something else? Because in over 20 European countries consensual sex with an under 16 isn't a crime.
i think it comes from a society with a puritanical hang up about sex. i also think 'society' wrongly pushes its morality onto its entire populace. it is of the opinion that a 14 year old cant possibly make the decision to engage in consensual sex(and believe me they can)... nor a 16 year old, yet we allow 16 year olds to drive. a far greater responsibilty imo.
i think it is an adherence to a countrys law, but i think those laws are misguided. is it about saving the children? is it about taking responsibility for those members of society we think arent responsible enough to make such a decision themselves. but those laws are based on something else. it is an abhorrance to kiddie porn? is it a way to control the most private of all mankinds actions. actions which arent so easily regulated.. but at least we can legislate it to some degree..and so well decide 'children' shouldnt have sex and they mos def cant be having it with a partner over the age of 18 or whatever. and when is a child considered an adult? why is it defined by an arbitrary number?
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you know gecko isnt advocating executing 20 year old tommy cause he had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
O.k, what about if 20 year old Pedro had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend in Spain, or 30 year old Louis has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend in France?
What I'm getting at here is, is this merely a question of adherence to a country's laws, or something else? Because in over 20 European countries consensual sex with an under 16 isn't a crime.
i think it comes from a society with a puritanical hang up about sex. i also think 'society' wrongly pushes its morality onto its entire populace. it is of the opinion that a 14 year old cant possibly make the decision to engage in consensual sex(and believe me they can)... nor a 16 year old, yet we allow 16 year olds to drive. a far greater responsibilty imo.
i think it is an adherence to a countrys law, but i think those laws are misguided. is it about saving the children? is it about taking responsibility for those members of society we think arent responsible enough to make such a decision themselves. but those laws are based on something else. it is an abhorrance to kiddie porn? is it a way to control the most private of all mankinds actions. actions which arent so easily regulated.. but at least we can legislate it to some degree..and so well decide 'children' shouldnt have sex and they mos def cant be having it with a partner over the age of 18 or whatever. and when is a child considered an adult? why is it defined by an arbitrary number?
The age of criminal responsibility in England is 10, but the age of sexual consent is 16. No contradiction there. :crazy:
Not sure how the topic went to having sex with minors, but just to clarify, in case you didn't look into this case deep enough. An 11 year old girl was sodomized and beaten, they then poured gasoline on her and burned her to death. And you people rant on about a civilized society. News flash....we do not live in a civilized society! These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
O.k, what about if 20 year old Pedro had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend in Spain, or 30 year old Louis has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend in France?
What I'm getting at here is, is this merely a question of adherence to a country's laws, or something else? Because in over 20 European countries consensual sex with an under 16 isn't a crime.
i think it comes from a society with a puritanical hang up about sex. i also think 'society' wrongly pushes its morality onto its entire populace. it is of the opinion that a 14 year old cant possibly make the decision to engage in consensual sex(and believe me they can)... nor a 16 year old, yet we allow 16 year olds to drive. a far greater responsibilty imo.
i think it is an adherence to a countrys law, but i think those laws are misguided. is it about saving the children? is it about taking responsibility for those members of society we think arent responsible enough to make such a decision themselves. but those laws are based on something else. it is an abhorrance to kiddie porn? is it a way to control the most private of all mankinds actions. actions which arent so easily regulated.. but at least we can legislate it to some degree..and so well decide 'children' shouldnt have sex and they mos def cant be having it with a partner over the age of 18 or whatever. and when is a child considered an adult? why is it defined by an arbitrary number?
The age of criminal responsibility in England is 10, but the age of sexual consent is 16. No contradiction there. :crazy:
sex is bad. meat is murder and murder can always be justified......... by the state.
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These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
byrnzie
why do you talk down to people?
i notice this almost daily
like you come across so smart and better than others
These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
byrnzie
why do you talk down to people?
i notice this almost daily
like you come across so smart and better than others
Bullshit. Show me where I've talked down to someone. We're debating the death penalty. You may think it's a subject to get poetical over. I don't. Period.
These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
byrnzie
why do you talk down to people?
i notice this almost daily
like you come across so smart and better than others
well you know chad.. if one believes in God and judgement day and also believes it is just to take a life then theres going to be a problem in the afterlife. but then again the bible so confusing and contradictory that who knows whatll happen. on a whim God just might decide to smite us all.
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can we skip it
uncool like it hit me like a ton of bricks, uncool... that's how ill it makes a guy
the story is sick.
sorry it's making you feel ill. kinda like how i feel when i read some of the words people use in their posts in this thread when they are expressing themselves.
why do some of the pro death penalty people feel the need to go into such violent and great detail about how they would like to dispose of the offender?
why can't you just say i support the death penalty. why do you have to act like an animal yourself with some of the terms you use?
I find that behaviour disturbing and creepy too. feel free to support the death penalty if that is how you feel, but the violence some describe, and the absolute delight they seem to have when saying it, is just sickening. really it is.
These fuckers do not deserve another breath..................unless it's a breath inside the gas chamber.
'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
byrnzie
why do you talk down to people?
i notice this almost daily
like you come across so smart and better than others
no he doesn't talk down to people. it's a debate. he sticks to the topic, doesn't use emotion and gets to the point and backs up what he says with facts. some people can't handle that.
i have only ever see it said when someone is getting their asses destroyed in a debate against him because they can't keep up.
can we skip it
uncool like it hit me like a ton of bricks, uncool... that's how ill it makes a guy
the story is sick.
sorry it's making you feel ill. kinda like how i feel when i read some of the words people use in their posts in this thread when they are expressing themselves.
why do some of the pro death penalty people feel the need to go into such violent and great detail about how they would like to dispose of the offender?
why can't you just say i support the death penalty. why do you have to act like an animal yourself with some of the terms you use?
I find that behaviour disturbing and creepy too. feel free to support the death penalty if that is how you feel, but the violence some describe, and the absolute delight they seem to have when saying it, is just sickening. really it is.
i never claimed to be a saint
i was raised to go directly through evil bullshit
pass through it like a knife through butter
makes sense to me
i am sorry im the bad guy in some of your eyes
im cool with that
this place is like banging your head against a brick wall.
support the death penalty if thats how you feel and hell you are free to post as you see fit. i'll never understand though, why some of you (through your choice of violent words and utter glee when talking of paybacks) act like the animals you are condemning.
this place is like banging your head against a brick wall.
support the death penalty if thats how you feel and hell you are free to post as you see fit. i'll never understand though, why some of you (through your choice of violent words and utter glee when talking of paybacks) act like the animals you are condemning.
it's creepy.
to the max.
lord of the flies.
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this place is like banging your head against a brick wall.
support the death penalty if thats how you feel and hell you are free to post as you see fit. i'll never understand though, why some of you (through your choice of violent words and utter glee when talking of paybacks) act like the animals you are condemning.
it's creepy.
to the max.
Maybe some people feel for the victims and their families in a way that makes us very angry. I imagine a crime like this happening to my family, or god forbid, my daughter, and yes I get very angry at the scums that commit these violent inhumane crimes. These people do very sick things without ever considering for a moment about what the victim is going through, all they care about is their own sick pleasure. I watched a movie on Ted Bundy the other night. All he ever thought about was himself. I got pleasure out of watching how he freaked out before his death. What comes around goes around. Fuck em!
I watched a movie on Ted Bundy the other night. All he ever thought about was himself. I got pleasure out of watching how he freaked out before his death. What comes around goes around. Fuck em!
I hope I never get to a point in my life where my opinions and my morality are dictated by Hollywood movies.
can we skip it
uncool like it hit me like a ton of bricks, uncool... that's how ill it makes a guy
the story is sick.
sorry it's making you feel ill. kinda like how i feel when i read some of the words people use in their posts in this thread when they are expressing themselves.
why do some of the pro death penalty people feel the need to go into such violent and great detail about how they would like to dispose of the offender?
why can't you just say i support the death penalty. why do you have to act like an animal yourself with some of the terms you use?
I find that behaviour disturbing and creepy too. feel free to support the death penalty if that is how you feel, but the violence some describe, and the absolute delight they seem to have when saying it, is just sickening. really it is.
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When you reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, when you dumb everything down to "garbage", "evil" etc, it makes it very easy to start making sweeping judgments and to see no consequence in killing people. The problem here is this: it's completely divorced from reality. The world is just not like that, and however much you try to convince yourselves that certain human beings (whatever awful things they have done) are "garbage", to make it easier for you justifying killing them, the real world is a little more complex.
Let me be clear: there is not a single person on this thread who is saying that what these people have done isn't despicable, reprehensible and deserve justice. But the death penalty is in no way just, and you seem blissfully unaware of the difference between prudent justice and mindless vengeance. Continuing to give more and more examples, followed by how you would do exactly the same to them is not going to make any difference to the debate and only serves to illustrate the hypocrisy, and double-standards of your position all the more clearly. If you want to win people over to your side, you could not be going about it in a less effective way.
Your entire approach to this thread has not been to intelligently debate the pros and cons of the death penalty, but to embark on unthinking hysterical polemics that do not strengthen your position, but rather strengthen the anti-death penalty position. When you start describing with sickening glee how you would do exactly the same to these people, all you do is illustrate the mindless hypocrisy that makes the death penalty so morally and judicially bankrupt. You expect us to agree with you that when murderers do awful things they are "monsters, inhuman, garbage", but that when you do the same to them - and seem to take some sickminded and twisted pleasure in it! - that you are somehow noble and just?!
Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.
For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.
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When you reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, when you dumb everything down to "garbage", "evil" etc, it makes it very easy to start making sweeping judgments and to see no consequence in killing people. The problems here is this: it's completely divorced from reality. The world is just not like that, and however much you try to convince yourselves that certain human beings (whatever awful things they have done) are "garbage", to make it eaasier for you justifying killing them, the real world is a little more complex.
Let me be clear: there is not a single person on this thread who is saying that what these people have done isn't despicable, reprehensible and deserve justice. But the death penalty is in no way just, and you seem blissfully unaware of the difference between prudent justice and mindless vengeance. Continuing to give more and more examples, followed by how you would do exactly the same to them is not going to make any difference to the debate and only serves to illustrate the hypocrisy, and double-standards of your position all the more clearly. If you want to win people over to your side, you could not be going about it in a less effective way.
Your entire approach to this thread has not been to intelligently debate the pros and cons of the death penalty, but to embark on unthinking hysterical polemics that do not strengthen your position, but rather strengthen the anti-death penalty position. When you start describing with sickening glee how you would do exactly the same to these people, all you do is illustrate the mindless hypocrisy that makes the death penalty so morally and legally judicially bankrupt. You expect us to agree with you that when murderers do awful things they are "monsters, inhuman, garbage", but that when you do the same to them - and seem to take some sickminded and twisted pleasure int it! - that you are somehow noble and just?!
Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.
For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.
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i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer
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there is nothing that the anti-dp folk can say that would make me think otherwise
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byrnzie... youre an excitable guy. you make me smile with amusement soemtimes. you know theres a difference between preying on children and having sex with someone under the age of 18. and you know gecko isnt advocating executing 20 year old tommy cause he had sex with his 16 year old girlfriend.
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some piece of garbage
tortured, raped, and murdered my wife and 2 daughters
i'd go insane
drink more whiskey than imaginable
sporadic out of control behavior
and pass a weapon straight through the evil monster's head who took my family=my life, my loved life's breath
from me... over with
i'd never care for 1 second if it meant prison for me or not
i'd probably be set free...
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O.k, thanks for clarifying.
I was debating this subject somewhere else the other day and I found it strange that if we in the West base our moral code on religion - specifically Christianity and/or the Catholic Church - that it's surely problematic that the age of consent in the Vatican - which is classified as a country in itself - is 12.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I'm only going to talk to you just for a minute or so this evening, because I have some -- some very sad news for all of you -- Could you lower those signs, please? -- I have some very sad news for all of you, and, I think, sad news for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world; and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and was killed tonight in Memphis, Tennessee.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice between fellow human beings. He died in the cause of that effort. In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it's perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black -- considering the evidence evidently is that there were white people who were responsible -- you can be filled with bitterness, and with hatred, and a desire for revenge.
We can move in that direction as a country, in greater polarization -- black people amongst blacks, and white amongst whites, filled with hatred toward one another. Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand, and to comprehend, and replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand, compassion, and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to fill with -- be filled with hatred and mistrust of the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.
But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote:
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart,
until, in our own despair,
against our will,
comes wisdom
through the awful grace of God.
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love, and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
So I ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King -- yeah, it's true -- but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love -- a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times. We've had difficult times in the past, but we -- and we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; and it's not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings that abide in our land.
And let's dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
Thank you very much.
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O.k, what about if 20 year old Pedro had sex with his 14 year old girlfriend in Spain, or 30 year old Louis has sex with his 15 year old girlfriend in France?
What I'm getting at here is, is this merely a question of adherence to a country's laws, or something else? Because in over 20 European countries consensual sex with an under 16 isn't a crime.
Edit: And yes, I'm a shit stirrer.
I know. It's fucked up.
i think it comes from a society with a puritanical hang up about sex. i also think 'society' wrongly pushes its morality onto its entire populace. it is of the opinion that a 14 year old cant possibly make the decision to engage in consensual sex(and believe me they can)... nor a 16 year old, yet we allow 16 year olds to drive. a far greater responsibilty imo.
i think it is an adherence to a countrys law, but i think those laws are misguided. is it about saving the children? is it about taking responsibility for those members of society we think arent responsible enough to make such a decision themselves. but those laws are based on something else. it is an abhorrance to kiddie porn? is it a way to control the most private of all mankinds actions. actions which arent so easily regulated.. but at least we can legislate it to some degree..and so well decide 'children' shouldnt have sex and they mos def cant be having it with a partner over the age of 18 or whatever. and when is a child considered an adult? why is it defined by an arbitrary number?
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The age of criminal responsibility in England is 10, but the age of sexual consent is 16. No contradiction there. :crazy:
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sex is bad. meat is murder and murder can always be justified......... by the state.
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'Deserve' has nothing to do with it. If someone doesn't deserve to live then why doesn't your God remove them from the Earth? Or maybe you think the judge in your local courthouse is God?
why do you talk down to people?
i notice this almost daily
like you come across so smart and better than others
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Bullshit. Show me where I've talked down to someone. We're debating the death penalty. You may think it's a subject to get poetical over. I don't. Period.
well you know chad.. if one believes in God and judgement day and also believes it is just to take a life then theres going to be a problem in the afterlife. but then again the bible so confusing and contradictory that who knows whatll happen. on a whim God just might decide to smite us all.
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sorry it's making you feel ill. kinda like how i feel when i read some of the words people use in their posts in this thread when they are expressing themselves.
why do some of the pro death penalty people feel the need to go into such violent and great detail about how they would like to dispose of the offender?
why can't you just say i support the death penalty. why do you have to act like an animal yourself with some of the terms you use?
I find that behaviour disturbing and creepy too. feel free to support the death penalty if that is how you feel, but the violence some describe, and the absolute delight they seem to have when saying it, is just sickening. really it is.
no he doesn't talk down to people. it's a debate. he sticks to the topic, doesn't use emotion and gets to the point and backs up what he says with facts. some people can't handle that.
i have only ever see it said when someone is getting their asses destroyed in a debate against him because they can't keep up.
i was raised to go directly through evil bullshit
pass through it like a knife through butter
makes sense to me
i am sorry im the bad guy in some of your eyes
im cool with that
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support the death penalty if thats how you feel and hell you are free to post as you see fit. i'll never understand though, why some of you (through your choice of violent words and utter glee when talking of paybacks) act like the animals you are condemning.
it's creepy.
to the max.
lord of the flies.
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Maybe some people feel for the victims and their families in a way that makes us very angry. I imagine a crime like this happening to my family, or god forbid, my daughter, and yes I get very angry at the scums that commit these violent inhumane crimes. These people do very sick things without ever considering for a moment about what the victim is going through, all they care about is their own sick pleasure. I watched a movie on Ted Bundy the other night. All he ever thought about was himself. I got pleasure out of watching how he freaked out before his death. What comes around goes around. Fuck em!
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When you reduce everything to the lowest common denominator, when you dumb everything down to "garbage", "evil" etc, it makes it very easy to start making sweeping judgments and to see no consequence in killing people. The problem here is this: it's completely divorced from reality. The world is just not like that, and however much you try to convince yourselves that certain human beings (whatever awful things they have done) are "garbage", to make it easier for you justifying killing them, the real world is a little more complex.
Let me be clear: there is not a single person on this thread who is saying that what these people have done isn't despicable, reprehensible and deserve justice. But the death penalty is in no way just, and you seem blissfully unaware of the difference between prudent justice and mindless vengeance. Continuing to give more and more examples, followed by how you would do exactly the same to them is not going to make any difference to the debate and only serves to illustrate the hypocrisy, and double-standards of your position all the more clearly. If you want to win people over to your side, you could not be going about it in a less effective way.
Your entire approach to this thread has not been to intelligently debate the pros and cons of the death penalty, but to embark on unthinking hysterical polemics that do not strengthen your position, but rather strengthen the anti-death penalty position. When you start describing with sickening glee how you would do exactly the same to these people, all you do is illustrate the mindless hypocrisy that makes the death penalty so morally and judicially bankrupt. You expect us to agree with you that when murderers do awful things they are "monsters, inhuman, garbage", but that when you do the same to them - and seem to take some sickminded and twisted pleasure in it! - that you are somehow noble and just?!
Quite frankly, chadwick, the more you go on about your little vigilante "fantasy in your head" (to use your own rather telling words!), the more I start to realise that the way you think is not so very different from that of the "garbage" you vilify.
For all your many posts, you have added precisely nothing of worth to the debate.
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please do not change your views on this subject
i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer
and that's fine
but i won't change my mind
there is nothing that the anti-dp folk can say that would make me think otherwise
i do not need to change their views
i have mine
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