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  • animals also don't murder their own for no reason. they don't kill out of emotion or fear, like humans do with the death penalty. they don't have the capacity to kill in that context. so while you can respect the animal kingdom for that, you must also acknowledge their lack of concious thought as well. you can't really compare the two.

    I would sincerely hope you wouldn't kill another man because he decided to mate with your wife/steal your meal/piss on your tree.

    that's "respectable" to you? that's called survival of the fittest. instinct.
    eyedclaar wrote:
    I have learned that my views are often times dismissed as monstrous. I believe that humans are a plague, so if I have little use for most people, try to imagine how I feel about the true bastards in our midst. When I blame our species for the woeful condition and rapid deterioration of our planet, you’ll just have to forgive me for not placing the same emphasis on the importance of human life that some of you so clearly believe. Maybe it’s because I spend my time amongst the animals and have developed a far greater respect for their honesty, directness, and bravery in which they face life, pain, and death. A wolf pack wouldn’t tolerate anti-social behavior from one its own; they wouldn’t make excuses for brother who was once kicked in the head by a moose and since then has been biting family and acting crazy. You will say we are better than wolves, but that is something you will never convince me of, and I have all of human history on my side of the argument.
    Have any of you ever killed anything with your own hands that was mortally wounded? Ever seen that last flicker of life go out in something’s eyes? I have and I seem to have a whole different relationship with life and death than most people. Hell, cancer took my father when I was a child and it was the best thing that could have happened to my family. See, he wasn’t a good man, and although I know what demon made him that way, it didn’t change the damage he was doing. Cancer stopped him from doing any more.
    So, maybe your beliefs make you compassionate and wise. Maybe. Or, maybe they make you all too human, impractical, and without the will to do what is necessary. Not sure. All I can do is tell where I come from, and it’s a place most of you haven’t been.
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  • many times the victims are the prime opponents of the death penalty sentence. we know this by listening to them.
    Godfather. wrote:
    Paul David wrote:
    who says? do you still think they should be put to death if the victim opposes it? because from what I can gather, most of your statements revolve around retribution for the victims, but if the victim is opposed to it, then shouldn't that mean something?
    Godfather. wrote:
    because it's fair, a life for a life and he has for-fitted his by killing this woman.

    Godfather.

    and JP stfuah ;)

    I will go with a yes on that one if the victim wanted it that way but how would we/the courts know this ?

    Godfather.
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    edited November 2010
    Godfather. wrote:

    I have not stated anything about the Bible on this, this is my opinion alone.

    Godfather.
    Fair enough, but it is a biblical quote.

    and anyway, there were a lot of points in my post that are still relevant to your opinion, whether you meant them from the biblical perspective or not. I'd like to know what you have to say to those too.
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    ed243421 wrote:
    i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer

    i'm just gonna go ahead and assume you havent been along for the whole ride. Maybe read up a bit before you jump to conclusions.

    johnny p

    please check out the first post in this thread
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  • ed243421ed243421 Posts: 7,672
    chadwick wrote:
    you have an opinion
    oddly enough
    i also have an opinion
    ... and as you would have noted had you read my posts properly, there are plenty of places where I have stated that we're all entitled to our opinions here. So good for us, we're agreed on that, then.
    chadwick wrote:
    also,
    i am sorry some of my comments are a bit graphic
    they are all true horrors that monsters have done
    The problem being, though, chad, is the things you've said you want to do are just as much "horrors" as what they've done. The problem is you condemn murder and advocate murder all in the same breath.
    That's the heart of my problem with where you're coming from. Surely that's not so hard to comprehend, is it?


    thinking what chad wishes should happen to a murderer
    is as much of a horror as the actual murders
    shows me you are more concerned about the murderer than the victim(s)
    and yes, i believe chad can condemn murder and advocate death to murderers in the same breath
    because he's not advocating murder
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    you have an opinion
    oddly enough
    i also have an opinion
    ... and as you would have noted had you read my posts properly, there are plenty of places where I have stated that we're all entitled to our opinions here. So good for us, we're agreed on that, then.
    chadwick wrote:
    also,
    i am sorry some of my comments are a bit graphic
    they are all true horrors that monsters have done
    The problem being, though, chad, is the things you've said you want to do are just as much "horrors" as what they've done. The problem is you condemn murder and advocate murder all in the same breath.
    That's the heart of my problem with where you're coming from. Surely that's not so hard to comprehend, is it?


    thinking what chad wishes should happen to a murderer
    is as much of a horror as the actual murders
    shows me you are more concerned about the murderer than the victim(s)
    and yes, i believe chad can condemn murder and advocate death to murderers in the same breath
    because he's not advocating murder
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer
    i believe this to be true
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  • wolfamongwolveswolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    edited November 2010
    ed243421 wrote:
    thinking what chad wishes should happen to a murderer
    is as much of a horror as the actual murders
    shows me you are more concerned about the murderer than the victim(s)
    and yes, i believe chad can condemn murder and advocate death to murderers in the same breath
    because he's not advocating murder
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer


    With all due respect, i believe you are entirely mistaken on every point of your post. Your first point does not at all follow logically, and several of my previous posts completely contradict you on that point. What I am concerned with is actual jsutice, not the mindless revenge chadwick and others on here seem to seem hell-bent on confusing with justice.

    Your second point is completely and objectively untrue, and I will guarantee you that there is not a single lawyer - pro- or anti- death penalty - who would agree with you on it. In fact, any dictionary definition of "murder" is enough to illustrate how nonsensical that statement is.

    The fact is you, chadwick, OnTheEdge et al really want to think that there are simple, clear-cut answers, that it all fits into neat little boxes like good and evil, right and wrong, eye for an eye - easy little formulas with simple answers that don't demand any complex thought from you, or for you to have to make any difficult moral deliberations. But like it or not, the world is not like that, the answers are not that easy, and those simple, straightforward answers are just not realistic, no matter how much you all try to convince yourselves that they are.

    There are real, significant and important questions that have been asked repeatedly on this thread - a thread that you started, that you asked for people's opinions on - questions that have been repeatedly been avoided or ignored because they didn't jive with the standard unthinking "kill-the-killers" dogma. It seems that for some of the more stridently vocal pro-death penalty people on here, the only interest is in making the same sweeping statements, the same wild judgments over and over again, and should they ever be challenged on it, as they have been countless times, on grounds of double-standards, inconsistency, self-contradiction, and basic lack of knowledge, the response is not to answer but to bury their heads in the sand and continue to rattle off the same hate-filled violent mantras, as if they would somehow become more valid by repetition.

    It's pathetic, it really is..
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chimpanzees murder young that is not their own. and they kill when an 'alien' chimp wanders into their turf. is that killing for no reason i wonder? :think:

    Paul David wrote:
    animals also don't murder their own for no reason. they don't kill out of emotion or fear, like humans do with the death penalty. they don't have the capacity to kill in that context. so while you can respect the animal kingdom for that, you must also acknowledge their lack of concious thought as well. you can't really compare the two.

    I would sincerely hope you wouldn't kill another man because he decided to mate with your wife/steal your meal/piss on your tree.

    that's "respectable" to you? that's called survival of the fittest. instinct.
    eyedclaar wrote:
    I have learned that my views are often times dismissed as monstrous. I believe that humans are a plague, so if I have little use for most people, try to imagine how I feel about the true bastards in our midst. When I blame our species for the woeful condition and rapid deterioration of our planet, you’ll just have to forgive me for not placing the same emphasis on the importance of human life that some of you so clearly believe. Maybe it’s because I spend my time amongst the animals and have developed a far greater respect for their honesty, directness, and bravery in which they face life, pain, and death. A wolf pack wouldn’t tolerate anti-social behavior from one its own; they wouldn’t make excuses for brother who was once kicked in the head by a moose and since then has been biting family and acting crazy. You will say we are better than wolves, but that is something you will never convince me of, and I have all of human history on my side of the argument.
    Have any of you ever killed anything with your own hands that was mortally wounded? Ever seen that last flicker of life go out in something’s eyes? I have and I seem to have a whole different relationship with life and death than most people. Hell, cancer took my father when I was a child and it was the best thing that could have happened to my family. See, he wasn’t a good man, and although I know what demon made him that way, it didn’t change the damage he was doing. Cancer stopped him from doing any more.
    So, maybe your beliefs make you compassionate and wise. Maybe. Or, maybe they make you all too human, impractical, and without the will to do what is necessary. Not sure. All I can do is tell where I come from, and it’s a place most of you haven’t been.
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  • JonnyPistachioJonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    i will never understand why they take the side of a murderer

    i'm just gonna go ahead and assume you havent been along for the whole ride. Maybe read up a bit before you jump to conclusions.

    johnny p

    please check out the first post in this thread

    Whats your point? Nobody in here is taking the side of a murderer. thats ludicrous. I cant see where you deduced that from.
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  • ed243421 wrote:
    johnny p

    please check out the first post in this thread

    Whats your point? Nobody in here is taking the side of a murderer. thats ludicrous. I cant see where you deduced that from.

    I think he's pointing out that he's the original poster, and that therefore that means he's up to speed. Clearly, he's not as he keeps making this tired and utterly baseless point, no matter how many times what we post proves that it's ludicrous. Some people have just decided they're right, and no facts, evidence or stronger argument will convince them otherwise.



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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    johnny p

    please check out the first post in this thread

    Whats your point? Nobody in here is taking the side of a murderer. thats ludicrous. I cant see where you deduced that from.

    I think he's pointing out that he's the original poster, and that therefore that means he's up to speed. Clearly, he's not as he keeps making this tired and utterly baseless point, no matter how many times what we post proves that it's ludicrous. Some people have just decided they're right, and no facts, evidence or stronger argument will convince them otherwise.



    "I will never apologise... I don't care what the facts are." GHWB
    hey championship
    same goes for you, Sir

    you have decided you are right
    have you not?

    im pretty sure we all have
    i know i am right... fact

    :mrgreen:

    you are right are you not?
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  • ajedigeckoajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,430
    speaking of primates killing for "no reasons".......when you get time, look into the process of male lions eliminating the blood line of the previous pride leader.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ed243421 wrote:
    ...
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer

    by law murder is killing with intent to cause death. therefore, execution which is killling with intent to cause the death of an individual is murder. state sanctioned murder is still murder. pretending otherwise is just semantic folly.
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ajedigecko wrote:
    speaking of primates killing for "no reasons".......when you get time, look into the process of male lions eliminating the blood line of the previous pride leader.
    that too
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    hey championship
    same goes for you, Sir

    you have decided you are right
    have you not?

    im pretty sure we all have
    i know i am right... fact

    :mrgreen:

    you are right are you not?

    can something subjective be fact?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    ...
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer

    by law murder is killing with intent to cause death. therefore, execution which is killling with intent to cause the death of an individual is murder. state sanctioned murder is still murder. pretending otherwise is just semantic folly.
    i agree with you both
    it is a unique situation
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    hey championship
    same goes for you, Sir

    you have decided you are right
    have you not?

    im pretty sure we all have
    i know i am right... fact

    :mrgreen:

    you are right are you not?

    can something subjective be fact?
    i suppose so
    in this thread anyway
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    ...
    one cannot murder a murderer
    one can only execute a murderer

    by law murder is killing with intent to cause death. therefore, execution which is killling with intent to cause the death of an individual is murder. state sanctioned murder is still murder. pretending otherwise is just semantic folly.
    i agree with you both
    it is a unique situation

    you cant agree with both of us chad. we are diametrically opposed. unless of course you agree execution is murder but justified murder. is that the case here?
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chimpanzees murder young that is not their own. and they kill when an 'alien' chimp wanders into their turf. is that killing for no reason i wonder? :think:
    nasty little shit those chimps
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    hey championship
    same goes for you, Sir

    you have decided you are right
    have you not?

    im pretty sure we all have
    i know i am right... fact

    :mrgreen:

    you are right are you not?

    can something subjective be fact?
    i suppose so
    in this thread anyway

    well my father always told me a fact is a lie and a half so... ;)8-)
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    you cant agree with both of us chad. we are diametrically opposed. unless of course you agree execution is murder but justified murder. is that the case here?
    i would say yes
    sure its murder
    but who cares?
    i dont

    seriously

    it's the same as defending your family from a home intruder @ 2am.
    intruder inflicts harm... intruder gets shot

    its like that but drug through the courts and prison time
    it should be simple
    when found guilty... (in some cases it is immediate)
    pretty much within 24 hrs of the guilty judge's hammer knocking home
    last supper, fucker...
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    I am tired; my heart is
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    you cant agree with both of us chad. we are diametrically opposed. unless of course you agree execution is murder but justified murder. is that the case here?
    i would say yes
    sure its murder
    but who cares?
    i dont

    seriously

    it's the same as defending your family from a home intruder @ 2am.
    intruder inflicts harm... intruder gets shot

    its like that but drug through the courts and prison time
    it should be simple
    when found guilty... (in some cases it is immediate)
    pretty much within 24 hrs of the guilty judge's hammer knocking home
    last supper, fucker...


    but not all home invaders mean to do your family harm. they come for your stuff and then leave. what if you kill someone who had no intention of causing injury to your family? and no im not saying you should wait until the intruder has a knife at the throat of your child. im just curious how one makes that decision to end a life solely because someone has intruded on their property.
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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    I do. How about:

    *No punishment for anything!
    *Enjoy life! Live without consequences!
    Or maybe...
    *Anarchy is the best way!

    :lol:

    haha, very funny. :lol: :roll:

    Actually, The other side of this discussion that gets kinda lost (maybe it was discussed back on page 37b...)
    is whether or not you think the death Pnalty is worse that living in maximum security prison forever for someone like this kid who just axed that girl and her daughter.

    Personally, I'd take the DP if I had to chose. I feel its the easy way out.



    No way!! Do you ever watch TLC or the Discovery Channel. They have shows on Death Row where these selfish cowards fight for the rest of their lives trying to get off death row. They can dish it out but they can't take it. They have no remorse for these victims while they are carrying out these crimes, then once they're on death row they expect sympathy for themselves....fuck-em.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    you cant agree with both of us chad. we are diametrically opposed. unless of course you agree execution is murder but justified murder. is that the case here?
    i would say yes
    sure its murder
    but who cares?
    i dont

    seriously

    it's the same as defending your family from a home intruder @ 2am.
    intruder inflicts harm... intruder gets shot

    its like that but drug through the courts and prison time
    it should be simple
    when found guilty... (in some cases it is immediate)
    pretty much within 24 hrs of the guilty judge's hammer knocking home
    last supper, fucker...


    but not all home invaders mean to do your family harm. they come for your stuff and then leave. what if you kill someone who had no intention of causing injury to your family? and no im not saying you should wait until the intruder has a knife at the throat of your child. im just curious how one makes that decision to end a life solely because someone has intruded on their property.
    i did say intruder inflicts harm, yes?
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    chimpanzees murder young that is not their own. and they kill when an 'alien' chimp wanders into their turf. is that killing for no reason i wonder? :think:
    nasty little shit those chimps


    so much like humans.. or should that be the other way round?? :think:
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:

    but not all home invaders mean to do your family harm. they come for your stuff and then leave. what if you kill someone who had no intention of causing injury to your family? and no im not saying you should wait until the intruder has a knife at the throat of your child. im just curious how one makes that decision to end a life solely because someone has intruded on their property.
    i did say intruder inflicts harm, yes?

    some consider stealing and B&E as inflicting harm. so im just making sure. same page and all that. ;)
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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:
    chimpanzees murder young that is not their own. and they kill when an 'alien' chimp wanders into their turf. is that killing for no reason i wonder? :think:
    nasty little shit those chimps


    so much like humans.. or should that be the other way round?? :think:
    that one chimp mangled some lady and was attacking ppl
    ripped some lady's face off
    attacked a cop
    cop shot the chimp

    chimps or humans
    humans or chimps
    what was that one movie
    planet of the apes? :think:
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    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
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    no more forever."

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  • OnTheEdgeOnTheEdge Posts: 1,300
    chadwick wrote:
    you cant agree with both of us chad. we are diametrically opposed. unless of course you agree execution is murder but justified murder. is that the case here?
    i would say yes
    sure its murder
    but who cares?
    i dont

    seriously

    it's the same as defending your family from a home intruder @ 2am.
    intruder inflicts harm... intruder gets shot

    its like that but drug through the courts and prison time
    it should be simple
    when found guilty... (in some cases it is immediate)
    pretty much within 24 hrs of the guilty judge's hammer knocking home
    last supper, fucker...


    but not all home invaders mean to do your family harm. they come for your stuff and then leave. what if you kill someone who had no intention of causing injury to your family? and no im not saying you should wait until the intruder has a knife at the throat of your child. im just curious how one makes that decision to end a life solely because someone has intruded on their property.



    You see the little girl in my pic? She is my world, my life. I would give my life away in a heartbeat to save hers. If a pedophile murdering rapist ever entered my house in the middle of the night, I would put a 9mm in his back while he's trying to run away. Will I be sentenced? In this politicaly correct country....probably. But he would never come back to my house..........or anyone elses for that matter. He would never have the opportunity to harm anyone ever again. And if he's just there to rob me? Sucks to be him....how was I to know. You break into someones home in the middle of the night, you have the right to be shot.
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    chadwick wrote:

    but not all home invaders mean to do your family harm. they come for your stuff and then leave. what if you kill someone who had no intention of causing injury to your family? and no im not saying you should wait until the intruder has a knife at the throat of your child. im just curious how one makes that decision to end a life solely because someone has intruded on their property.
    i did say intruder inflicts harm, yes?

    some consider stealing and B&E as inflicting harm. so im just making sure. same page and all that. ;)
    inflicting harm
    injurying someone
    force them into some situation they do not agree with
    a home invasion
    hostage in your own home

    happens a lot
    domestic violence
    breaking & entering
    holy shit

    more cops are injured during household calls than any other
    pretty bad stuff inside some homes
    dungeons in some cases

    this is when the death sentence comes into play, yes/no?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    chadwick wrote:
    that one chimp mangled some lady and was attacking ppl
    ripped some lady's face off
    attacked a cop
    cop shot the chimp

    chimps or humans
    humans or chimps
    what was that one movie
    planet of the apes? :think:

    and interestingly in planet of the apes it was the gorillas as the muscle when of the three primates depicted in that film, the chimpanzee is the most vicious. but of course gorillas look the part and so theyre given the part. damn hollywood. anyhoo...
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
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