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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    ed243421 wrote:
    are you kidding me

    i pose the question, death penalty or prison, and some people here suggest that i commit murder so i can go to prison to "enjoy" it.

    what is wrong with you

    Umm, I might not be the smartest guy in the world, but I detected a hint of sarcasm in Polaris-x's post. It was probably in response to how you painted prison like it was a country club. Wow, sarcasm against sarcasm? interesting.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.

    I used to agree with the death penalty. But once I started hearing about the wronfully accused I quickly changed my stance. If ONE person lost their life to the death penalty who was innocent, then it is an extremely flawed system.
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.

    i'm only talking about the 100% cases
    the dna cases
    the full admittance cases
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ed243421 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?

    if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?

    i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?

    and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
    death?
    or prison?

    i thought so too until you started making prison seem like a trip to the HIlton ...

    i would choose prison but wish i was dead
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    ed243421 wrote:
    fife wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.

    i'm only talking about the 100% cases
    the dna cases
    the full admittance cases

    those cases are very rare.
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    do you have numbers to back that up?
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Shawshank wrote:
    If someone ever killed my wife and kids, that person would die one way or the other. Would it bring back my family? No. Would it make me feel at least a little better that he wasn't breathing the same air as me, seeing the same sun as me, bathed in the same moon as me? Yes.

    I think holding this view is pathetically sad.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    ed243421 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    and you believe that killing people should get you years in prison, rent free, 3 meals a day, free health club, a library,a chance to get your degree, all the prison sex you could want, a nice walk outside everyday, and hundreds of crazy women writing you everyday with marriage proposals?

    if it's so rosy - why don't you commit a crime and get yourself imprisoned?

    i thought we were having a serious conversation on the death penalty?

    and if you murdered someone, which would you choose?
    death?
    or prison?

    Your choice (and descriptions to go along with it) reminds me of this :):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNjcuZ-LiSY
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    Another basic argument against the death penalty is that our system is too flawed to hand down a penalty that has such finality. I was just reading today about how juries have to be racially balanced to ensure a fair trial. The only thing that says to me is that we're now acknowledging that people NEVER get fair trials due to the prejudices that people have.

    Let's face it, murdering someone else is not going to make you feel better. The only thing that will make you feel better is finding a way to come to peace with what's happened.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    fife wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    i'm only talking about the 100% cases
    the dna cases
    the full admittance cases

    those cases are very rare.

    I don't know the numbers either, but I have read many times that those cases are a minority.
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  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    i'd hate to be one of these poor folk:

    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execute ... y-innocent
    http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/causes- ... onvictions
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    fife wrote:
    but could you not say that no punishment will ever bring that person back? should we just let everyone go just because it doesn't bring some one back. I am not for the death penalty for one reason. if you find out your wrong you can't bring that person back.

    uhhh ... i'm not too sure what you are getting at ... i've never advocated that there be lawlessness ...
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    know1 wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    If someone ever killed my wife and kids, that person would die one way or the other. Would it bring back my family? No. Would it make me feel at least a little better that he wasn't breathing the same air as me, seeing the same sun as me, bathed in the same moon as me? Yes.

    I think holding this view is pathetically sad.

    sad is having your family murdered
    wanting your familys' murderer to recieve equal treatment is human
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    know1 wrote:
    Let's face it, murdering someone else is not going to make you feel better. The only thing that will make you feel better is finding a way to come to peace with what's happened.

    Too true... well it might make some people feel better in the immediate aftermath of losing a loved one, but I'd be surprised if that feeling lasted 5 years.. ten years later...
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    blackredyellow wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Let's face it, murdering someone else is not going to make you feel better. The only thing that will make you feel better is finding a way to come to peace with what's happened.

    Too true... well it might make some people feel better in the immediate aftermath of losing a loved one, but I'd be surprised if that feeling lasted 5 years.. ten years later...

    Worth a try :lol:
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    ed243421 wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Shawshank wrote:
    If someone ever killed my wife and kids, that person would die one way or the other. Would it bring back my family? No. Would it make me feel at least a little better that he wasn't breathing the same air as me, seeing the same sun as me, bathed in the same moon as me? Yes.

    I think holding this view is pathetically sad.

    sad is having your family murdered
    wanting your familys' murderer to recieve equal treatment is human

    I strongly disagree.

    Can anyone really, really, with a straight face believe that revenge killing is a good thing?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    see me previous post
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    know1 wrote:
    I strongly disagree.

    Can anyone really, really, with a straight face believe that revenge killing is a good thing?
    i can and 100% believe it is fantastic.

    cold blooded killers caught red handed...
    rapists caught red handed...
    evil ass bullshit...

    "out of order" will be a sign placed on their foreheads.
    their tombstones will read...and i quote,
    "i was an evil prick, so they laid me to rest."

    end of story.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    to those who said i made prison sound "too rosy"
    please tell me where i did that
    it is what it is
    are you in denial
    tell us what YOU think an average prison-day-in-the-life of a murder 1 convict is like
    whatever it is is better treatment than their victim(s) got
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









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