some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
do we know why?
Does it really matter why?!
Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Most criminals sit in prison for 10 or more yrs - before being executed - plenty of time to ponder about their crime. In the meantime they - eat (3) meals, watch t.v. and read books - while the innocent children have turned to dust.
Most prisoners have it better than our "homeless".... ( Only my opinion )
you know my dad was a prison guard for 30 years.
bad guys do eat 3 meals a day, tv, exercise equipment, a yard filled with flowers.
food lines where inmates slice each other up with homemade knives.
your typical drug dealer does more time in prison than a child molester.
unbelievable.
Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).[/quote]
so what you are saying is if my house is gonna get repo'ed and i will not be able to cope with that, and i then walk up to YOU on the sidewalk and blow your brains onto the ground with a gun, i should be labeled "insane" and you would want your states government to try to "fix" me? (sorry for the run-on sentence)
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
do you personally know anyone that has been murdered?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
inhumane?
let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
all we have in this life is our life
one chance
how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
i do not
although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...
there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
inhumane?
let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
all we have in this life is our life
one chance
how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
i do not
although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...
there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).
so what you are saying is if my house is gonna get repo'ed and i will not be able to cope with that, and i then walk up to YOU on the sidewalk and blow your brains onto the ground with a gun, i should be labeled "insane" and you would want your states government to try to "fix" me? (sorry for the run-on sentence)
Never said that. I was just trying to explain that 'why' can matter.
I hate "eye for an eye..." but 2 kids? that's where i draw the line, 2 defenseless kids, should we locked him in jail forever? i think is just a waste to put him in jail, why should we pay for all his meal the rest of his life and put a roof over his head (of course jail is not a walk in the park), he must have a fair trial, if it was an accident those are another circumstances, but in cold blood? no way, i can't defend the right of someone to live if he didn't thought in the right to live of others, and in this case 2 kids!
I'm not sure knowing a person who has been murdered or not really effects your basic beliefs on this. Either you think it is a just punishment or you don't.
I know someone who has been murdered, a young man of 24. I had never been to a sadder funeral, his Mama totally lost it understandably. But I am against capital punishment, have been my whole life. If we strip away our fears and our hatreds it is easy to see that taking another life for a life taken makes no sense. It feels wrong in my heart. There are people who are evil, there are people who act without thought or out of emotion, there are people who are mentally ill. For whatever reason they have killed, I feel a life sentence and the judgement of God, is the just punishment.
inhumane?
let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
all we have in this life is our life
one chance
how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
i do not
although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...
there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
you say
simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
i say
killing a person that kills tells society that murder is not ok
and yes, when an army drops bombs on civilians, it is murder
and when an army kills anyone for oil, money, or land
it is murder
and i don't want "death" to be the solution to "all that ails us"
i want the death penalty to be the solution to murder 1
and why, tell me, do you want to give a murderer "compassion"?
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
do you personally know anyone that has been murdered?
Not all that long ago, there was a thread on the death penalty. One of the posters was against the death penalty. A similar question was put forward (more like... 'if someone murdered a member of your family/a loved one you would change your mind'). This poster had actually been in that situation. A loved one (sister, if I remember well) had been murdered. And yet his stance on death penalty had not changed.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
do you personally know anyone that has been murdered?
Yes, I do actually. I still do not believe that taking a criminal's life is any better than that of the criminal taking a life. I have felt the anger and rage and the thought of wanting to do just that as a response for losing someone close to me but those emotions cannot be the thing that places me in the actions that caused so much sorrow to my life. I find it inhuman to take life in general. It is my moral stance.
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
Seems like this was done once in history. I little island called Australia if I recall correctly. Didn't quite turn out as they had hoped.
...a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
Of course death is not the solution to ALL the ails us, but where was this guy's compassion? My dad was killed and the people who did it, is living freely... so i have a biased view on this matter, but that's the point, only those who have lost someone in an horrible way know how does it feels, granted not all those who pass through that approve the death penalty but they normally understand those who agree with it.
"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
Neil deGrasse Tyson
...a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
Of course death is not the solution to ALL the ails us, but where was this guy's compassion? My dad was killed and the people who did it, is living freely... so i have a biased view on this matter, but that's the point, only those who have lost someone in an horrible way know how does it feels, granted not all those who pass through that approve the death penalty but they normally understand those who agree with it.
Exactly, I know all to well hos it hits home and I don't support it but I know all to well that it's easy to let my emotions get the best of me to support otherwise. It's what makes us human. It's about choices and I for one can't stand the thought of it sometimes but my morals are stronger than that. I understand and think no less of those who do support it but I can't agree with them and never will.
you say
simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
i say
killing a person that kills tells society that murder is not ok
and yes, when an army drops bombs on civilians, it is murder
and when an army kills anyone for oil, money, or land
it is murder
and i don't want "death" to be the solution to "all that ails us"
i want the death penalty to be the solution to murder 1
and why, tell me, do you want to give a murderer "compassion"?
society has already determined that murder is not ok ... killing someone to prove that is counter to that belief in essence ...
again - killing someone solves nothing ... homicide rates in places with the death penalty are higher than places without ... the cost of executing someone exceeds that of incarceration for life ...
the only thing is does is satisfy a lust founded on anger ... and anger is not an emotion one should make decisions ... it is what drives people to murder in the first place ...
it's a compassion for humanity ... a compassion that is rooted in the belief that we can be a world where we don't solve our problems through death and that every person no matter what they have done deserves compassion ... obviously, easier said than done but that is what makes us human ...
i say
killing a person that kills tells society that murder is not ok?
So, if I get you right, murdering someone is telling society that it is wrong to murder?
Like hitting a child to punish it is teaching them that hitting is not OK?
a death penalty for someone who has killed someone else is not murder
it is punishment
"hitting" a child is an act of violence
spanking a child lightly to get their attention to the fact that you will not allow that behavior
is a parent teaching
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
Seems like this was done once in history. I little island called Australia if I recall correctly. Didn't quite turn out as they had hoped.
??? I think it turned it pretty damn well, actually. Instead of a lawless free-killing range they created a sovereign nation. I think Hicks did a skit on this...
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
Seems like this was done once in history. I little island called Australia if I recall correctly. Didn't quite turn out as they had hoped.
??? I think it turned it pretty damn well, actually. Instead of a lawless free-killing range they created a sovereign nation. I think Hicks did a skit on this...
You misunderstood. My point was that they left them to die and kill one another and now look. They are an amazing culture and people of greatness. They rose above it and made a place for themselves in this world. Of course that country suffered much atrocities in it's history and was not perfect but the end result says it all. So what you said is what I intended.
If someone ever killed my wife and kids, that person would die one way or the other. Would it bring back my family? No. Would it make me feel at least a little better that he wasn't breathing the same air as me, seeing the same sun as me, bathed in the same moon as me? Yes.
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...
"hitting" a child is an act of violence
spanking a child lightly to get their attention to the fact that you will not allow that behavior
is a parent teaching
We are discussing 'levels' of 'punishment'. What is spanking a child lightly? Lightly for whom? A parent teaching does not use physical punishment - it doesn't teach anything. Just that when lil' bro is taking his/her toy away, it's OK to hit him because he was naughty. But this is another discussion.
Once again, I think that death penalty is the easy way out for these sick fucks...
Put him him a tiny cell with pictures of the crime scene on the walls of his children he killed... see if that drives him insane. Only let him out to get gang raped and beat by other prisoners.
Why is death the easy way out? Nothing easy about death. I would much rather be in a cell for the rest of my life watching tv and living rent free and get 3 free hot meals a day. As a tax payer I don't like my money going food that feeds these people, I don't like my money going to giving shelter to them. Get where I'm going? Sitting in a cell for the rest of my life sounds better than death penalty. Jail is not always gang rapes and just sitting around looking at the wall. Some of these murderers have tvs, books, paint supplies in their cells.
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Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).
i've seen that before
where is it from
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
bad guys do eat 3 meals a day, tv, exercise equipment, a yard filled with flowers.
food lines where inmates slice each other up with homemade knives.
your typical drug dealer does more time in prison than a child molester.
unbelievable.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Does it really matter why?![/quote]
Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).[/quote]
so what you are saying is if my house is gonna get repo'ed and i will not be able to cope with that, and i then walk up to YOU on the sidewalk and blow your brains onto the ground with a gun, i should be labeled "insane" and you would want your states government to try to "fix" me? (sorry for the run-on sentence)
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
utha firing sqaud
That speaks for my stand on the matter.
do you personally know anyone that has been murdered?
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MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...
there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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Never said that. I was just trying to explain that 'why' can matter.
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I know someone who has been murdered, a young man of 24. I had never been to a sadder funeral, his Mama totally lost it understandably. But I am against capital punishment, have been my whole life. If we strip away our fears and our hatreds it is easy to see that taking another life for a life taken makes no sense. It feels wrong in my heart. There are people who are evil, there are people who act without thought or out of emotion, there are people who are mentally ill. For whatever reason they have killed, I feel a life sentence and the judgement of God, is the just punishment.
you say
simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...
i say
killing a person that kills tells society that murder is not ok
and yes, when an army drops bombs on civilians, it is murder
and when an army kills anyone for oil, money, or land
it is murder
and i don't want "death" to be the solution to "all that ails us"
i want the death penalty to be the solution to murder 1
and why, tell me, do you want to give a murderer "compassion"?
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
For all violent crime offenders (murder, rape, etc) we set aside a few hundred square miles of land somewhere in some wasteland (somewhere in Texas or NM or Oklahoma) and fence it off. They can set up their own society within those walls and continue to kill and rape each other if they want. No more need for prisons or discussions of the death penalty. Problem solved.
Not all that long ago, there was a thread on the death penalty. One of the posters was against the death penalty. A similar question was put forward (more like... 'if someone murdered a member of your family/a loved one you would change your mind'). This poster had actually been in that situation. A loved one (sister, if I remember well) had been murdered. And yet his stance on death penalty had not changed.
Yes, I do actually. I still do not believe that taking a criminal's life is any better than that of the criminal taking a life. I have felt the anger and rage and the thought of wanting to do just that as a response for losing someone close to me but those emotions cannot be the thing that places me in the actions that caused so much sorrow to my life. I find it inhuman to take life in general. It is my moral stance.
Like hitting a child to punish it is teaching them that hitting is not OK?
Seems like this was done once in history. I little island called Australia if I recall correctly. Didn't quite turn out as they had hoped.
Of course death is not the solution to ALL the ails us, but where was this guy's compassion? My dad was killed and the people who did it, is living freely... so i have a biased view on this matter, but that's the point, only those who have lost someone in an horrible way know how does it feels, granted not all those who pass through that approve the death penalty but they normally understand those who agree with it.
Neil deGrasse Tyson
Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
Exactly, I know all to well hos it hits home and I don't support it but I know all to well that it's easy to let my emotions get the best of me to support otherwise. It's what makes us human. It's about choices and I for one can't stand the thought of it sometimes but my morals are stronger than that. I understand and think no less of those who do support it but I can't agree with them and never will.
society has already determined that murder is not ok ... killing someone to prove that is counter to that belief in essence ...
again - killing someone solves nothing ... homicide rates in places with the death penalty are higher than places without ... the cost of executing someone exceeds that of incarceration for life ...
the only thing is does is satisfy a lust founded on anger ... and anger is not an emotion one should make decisions ... it is what drives people to murder in the first place ...
it's a compassion for humanity ... a compassion that is rooted in the belief that we can be a world where we don't solve our problems through death and that every person no matter what they have done deserves compassion ... obviously, easier said than done but that is what makes us human ...
a death penalty for someone who has killed someone else is not murder
it is punishment
"hitting" a child is an act of violence
spanking a child lightly to get their attention to the fact that you will not allow that behavior
is a parent teaching
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
??? I think it turned it pretty damn well, actually. Instead of a lawless free-killing range they created a sovereign nation. I think Hicks did a skit on this...
You misunderstood. My point was that they left them to die and kill one another and now look. They are an amazing culture and people of greatness. They rose above it and made a place for themselves in this world. Of course that country suffered much atrocities in it's history and was not perfect but the end result says it all. So what you said is what I intended.
I'm a little torn on this also, but a plus for the death penalty in that it assures the bad guy that committed a murder will never do it again.
Godfather.
Yep.
After a short google search... http://www.wesleylowe.com/repoff.html
I didn't validate it, but this is a concern of mine with murderers.
Punishment via murder
We are discussing 'levels' of 'punishment'. What is spanking a child lightly? Lightly for whom? A parent teaching does not use physical punishment - it doesn't teach anything. Just that when lil' bro is taking his/her toy away, it's OK to hit him because he was naughty. But this is another discussion.
Why is death the easy way out? Nothing easy about death. I would much rather be in a cell for the rest of my life watching tv and living rent free and get 3 free hot meals a day. As a tax payer I don't like my money going food that feeds these people, I don't like my money going to giving shelter to them. Get where I'm going? Sitting in a cell for the rest of my life sounds better than death penalty. Jail is not always gang rapes and just sitting around looking at the wall. Some of these murderers have tvs, books, paint supplies in their cells.