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  • mikalina
    mikalina Posts: 7,206
    chadwick wrote:
    meet your local death dealer.
    this gentleman is framed hanging on my bedroom wall.

    http://mcganc.files.wordpress.com/2009/ ... dealer.jpg


    I love it !!!!!!!!!!! :thumbup:
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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    This guy obviously just lost his mind for a split second. He really is a nice guy. After they diagnose him and slip him the right pills/meds. He will rehabilitate in prison, where he will find god and learn to live and love again. Then he can live a normal life with a new family in about ten years or less.

    The poison from the poison stream caught up to you ELEVEN years ago and you floated out of here. Sept. 14, 08

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    arq wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in Massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    What could have done his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids to deserve that? Ok let's say he's insane, do you know someone in their right mind doing that?


    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • arq
    arq Posts: 8,101
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.

    Exactly so do we put him on a mental asylum for the rest of his life? do we try to cure him?
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it"
    Neil deGrasse Tyson

    Why not (V) (°,,,,°) (V) ?
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    HeidiJam wrote:
    I am split on the death penalty,
    1. I think we should do what we can to rehabilitate people or at least put more emphsis/study into doing so. Killing someone is not how i would describe a civilized highly intelligent society.
    2. If you take someone's right to live, you should also forefit your right to live.
    Its subjective, because if this was my family and someone murdered my kids and wife, I would end their life. I can't imagine going through loosing your child.

    h.
    you cannot say
    Killing someone is not how i would describe a civilized highly intelligent society
    and then say
    if this was my family and someone murdered my kids and wife, I would end their life
    without saying that you and your family have rights that none other has or should have
    are you special?
    this is the problem
    when we have 100% proof of fact that someone is a murderer
    murder them
    and where is this civilized highly intelligent society, i'd like to visit it someday
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    arq wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    It's pretty clear to me that killing your kids is not a sane act.

    Exactly so do we put him on a mental asylum for the rest of his life? do we try to cure him?

    Neither.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • MaxGoldenrod
    MaxGoldenrod Posts: 1,341
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    Does it really matter why?

    Lucky for him, he is in MA, otherwise he would be getting a needle in the arm or strapped to a chair. There are worse options, they used a firing squad in UT!
    "Then the Spirit of God hovered over the water, and God said, Let there be music, and there was Pearl Jam."

    Whose idea was it for the word "Lisp" to have an "S" in it?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.

    no
    he was sentenced before they decided to not use that method anymore so he was "grandfathered" i guess
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
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    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    ed243421 wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    they used a firing squad in UT!


    I just heard that this morning. Cost effective.

    no
    he was sentenced before they decided to not use that method anymore so he was "grandfathered" i guess


    Interesting. I just caught a glimpse on the news...I'll have to go look it up.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    MaxGoldenrod wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    some guy in massachusetts just murdered his wife, mother-in-law, and 2 kids.
    obviously, some will say he should die (no death penalty in mass)
    do we know why?

    Does it really matter why?!

    Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    chadwick wrote:
    meet your local death dealer.
    this gentleman is framed hanging on my bedroom wall.

    http://mcganc.files.wordpress.com/2009/ ... dealer.jpg

    i've seen that before
    where is it from
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    mikalina wrote:
    Most criminals sit in prison for 10 or more yrs - before being executed - plenty of time to ponder about their crime. In the meantime they - eat (3) meals, watch t.v. and read books - while the innocent children have turned to dust.


    Most prisoners have it better than our "homeless".... ( Only my opinion )
    you know my dad was a prison guard for 30 years.
    bad guys do eat 3 meals a day, tv, exercise equipment, a yard filled with flowers.
    food lines where inmates slice each other up with homemade knives.

    your typical drug dealer does more time in prison than a child molester.
    unbelievable.
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    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    [do we know why?[/quote]

    Does it really matter why?![/quote]

    Yes. Is he criminally insane? Was he ill/did he break down for some reason? Was he severely depressed about something (ie here a guy murdered his wife and kid when he went bankrupt, his house was going to be repossessed and his family was going to be out in the streets. He wasn't able to cope with that). Or was he just fed up and decided to kill his kids (amongst others).[/quote]

    so what you are saying is if my house is gonna get repo'ed and i will not be able to cope with that, and i then walk up to YOU on the sidewalk and blow your brains onto the ground with a gun, i should be labeled "insane" and you would want your states government to try to "fix" me? (sorry for the run-on sentence)
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • gunda
    gunda Posts: 97
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/i ... WJ34BYjf7L
    utha firing sqaud
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  • John Briggs 2008
    John Briggs 2008 Posts: 1,024
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    That speaks for my stand on the matter.
  • ed243421
    ed243421 Posts: 7,730
    John Briggs 2008 wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    i don't support the death penalty on the grounds that it is inhumane ... that killing someone for a crime does not bring back the people he/she affected but serves only to satisfy a lust for justice that seems only palatable by one's death ...

    http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/facts ... yFacts.pdf

    That speaks for my stand on the matter.

    do you personally know anyone that has been murdered?
    The whole world will be different soon... - EV
    RED ROCKS 6-19-95
    AUGUSTA 9-26-96
    MANSFIELD 9-15-98
    BOSTON 9-29-04
    BOSTON 5-25-06
    MANSFIELD 6-30-08
    EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
    BOSTON 5-17-10
    EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
    PJ20 9-3-11
    PJ20 9-4-11
    WRIGLEY 7-19-13
    WORCESTER 10-15-13
    WORCESTER 10-16-13
    HARTFORD 10-25-13









  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    ed243421 wrote:
    inhumane?
    let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
    let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
    and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
    would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
    which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
    i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
    all we have in this life is our life
    one chance
    how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
    i do not

    although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...

    your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...

    there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    ed243421 wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    meet your local death dealer.
    this gentleman is framed hanging on my bedroom wall.

    http://mcganc.files.wordpress.com/2009/ ... dealer.jpg

    i've seen that before
    where is it from
    artist: frank frazetta
    http://www.frankfrazetta.net/index.html

    i also have this one
    http://www.frankfrazetta.net/images/Barbarian_02.jpg
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    polaris_x wrote:
    ed243421 wrote:
    inhumane?
    let's take a walk in someone else's shoes for a moment
    let us say polaris, you have a child, and some "human" murders that child.
    and you happen to live in a state that will give this "human" the death penalty
    would you really feel that would be a inhumane act to put him or her to death?
    which of the two is the "real" inhumane act?
    i feel when someone murders another, that someone has lost all rights
    all we have in this life is our life
    one chance
    how is it you can feel that if one person murders another, the murderer has any rights
    i do not

    although i answer hypothetically ... as know one truly knows how they would react ... i say that i would still be against the death penalty ... it's a value-based answer ... i don't support wars ... i don't support sanctions on civilians ... it's not a matter of whether this individual has a right to live ... simply that killing this person does nothing except perpetuate that killing someone is ok ...

    your point of view is fairly narrow ... i mean how do you define murder? ... what do you call it when an army drops bombs on civilians? ... no one ever asks for the death penalty against the general who called for the air strike ...

    there is context to everything ... circumstances we may or may not understand ... in the end, you have to ask yourself what kind of world do you want to live in? ... a world where death is the solution to all that ails us? ... or one that is based on compassion?


    :thumbup:
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