God... Christ... The Bible

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

Cosmo wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

To say there is no absolute truth or truth is relative in itself is a self-deprecating statement. Take some time to watch this debate.

http://vimeo.com/1904911

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No... I said there IS one absolute Truth out there. You claim to know it... I say you don't. You may believe you know the one (true) absolute truth... but, the truth is... you don't know... and I know you don't know. Yours is a belief... you believe it to be true, so... to you... it IS the truth. Your truth. Which is not mine. That makes your truth, a relative (subjective) truth.
And just so we are clear, here... your truth is that the one way to God is through Jesus Christ. Am i correct?

he claims to know it, then in other posts he contradicts knowing the truth by saying the way to the truth is through god, as he is the only one who knows all.

and just as an aside, I also admitted to not knowing it all. I fully admit that my belief system could be a wad of shit. I just wish that the "other side" could admit the same plausibility.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. - Sam Harris

Cosmo · January 2010

Something else that comes to my mind...
The Ten Commandments... after God proclaims Himself the one God: 'I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;'
The Second Commandment is: 'Do not have any other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'
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Couldn't the worship of Jesus, Himself, be interpreted as a violation of that Commandment?
I know, Jesus is the Lord and God is Jesus... and worship of God through Christ's body, Father and Son and all that... but, hasn't Jesus been elevated to sort of an idol before God?
Not, before I am cast into Hell... The Old Testament states that God is the God of the Jews who freed them from enslavement by the Pharoahs, right? Those are His Commandments. I'm just asking questions... because i admit... i don't know.
I am not questioning Jesus' teachings... I love them. I believe they represent all that is potentially good in Man. But, carving images of Jesus on the cross may be interpreted as a graven image of God... can't it?
I'm not one of those who is willing to toss out the Old Testament as 'ancient Jewish law' and see it as one text. I cannot reconcile that the Old Testament is tossed in favor of the New Testament. Rather, i see the New Testament as the gospel of Jesus Christ, written from a second person's perspective.
This is the conflict I have within myself regarding Christianity. They seem to want to put up the Ten Commandments and use the Old Testament in debates regarding homosexuality and Creation... but reject other things in the Old Testament such as trading your daughters or working on Sunday (which also is one of the Ten Commandments: 'But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.'). If that latter is true... then isn't the entire NFL is doomed to Hell?
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Anyway, these are questions I have that has never been answered with anything other than Christian interpretations of Roman Catholic based doctrine. For the one definative truth, I guess I'll just have to wait and see... just like everyone else on Earth.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

Cosmo wrote:

then isn't the entire NFL is doomed to Hell?

I'm guessing they'll be forgiven for all the prayers they say after god helped them get that touchdown.

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

I'm surprised there's never been any ammendments to the commandments, like the US constitution.

gimmesometruth27 · January 2010

Johnny Sitar wrote:

I'm surprised there's never been any ammendments to the commandments, like the US constitution.

haha that would be funny...i can see it now...

"the thirteenth ammendment to the ten commandments states that thou shalt not kill, unless thine is participating in a war, or unless some politician tries to take away thine's guns, ownership of which was guaranteed in the 2nd ammendment of the ten commandments.."

catefrances · January 2010

Cosmo wrote:

EddieLedBetter wrote:

To say there is no absolute truth or truth is relative in itself is a self-deprecating statement. Take some time to watch this debate.

http://vimeo.com/1904911

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No... I said there IS one absolute Truth out there. You claim to know it... I say you don't. You may believe you know the one (true) absolute truth... but, the truth is... you don't know... and I know you don't know. Yours is a belief... you believe it to be true, so... to you... it IS the truth. Your truth. Which is not mine. That makes your truth, a relative (subjective) truth.
And just so we are clear, here... your truth is that the one way to God is through Jesus Christ. Am i correct?

says who?? why do you think this??

Godfather. · January 2010

it's called faith if you have non you have nothing, yours is a high stakes gamble with out it.
is it so hard to believe in God ? I'll bet most with out faith believe that UFO's are real or they
saw Bigfoot or even believe that the photo's of these thing's are real and not photoshoped
or faked in some way....lock ness monster ring a bell ?
when our individual end of days comes the non believers will be very suprised......they won't
see Bigfoot or a UFO.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 · January 2010

Godfather. wrote:

it's called faith if you have non you have nothing, yours is a high stakes gamble with out it.
is it so hard to believe in God ? I'll bet most with out faith believe that UFO's are real or they
saw Bigfoot or even believe that the photo's of these thing's are real and not photoshoped
or faked in some way....lock ness monster ring a bell ?
when our individual end of days comes the non believers will be very suprised......they won't
see Bigfoot or a UFO.

Godfather.

that is your opinion. many people, myself included, would disagree with you...

are you really saying that if you have faith in god that you will never see ufos or bigfoot or the LOCH ness monster?? does faith alone prove to you that we are alone in the universe and that it is impossible for things like bigfoot and the loch ness monster to have ever existed?

people see unexplained phenomena all of the time and whether they have faith in god or not most likely has no bearing on what they experience...

ans i wish you people would stop with the ominous predictions for end of life experiences. its not proven what happens...

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

Godfather. wrote:

it's called faith if you have non you have nothing, yours is a high stakes gamble with out it.
is it so hard to believe in God ? I'll bet most with out faith believe that UFO's are real or they
saw Bigfoot or even believe that the photo's of these thing's are real and not photoshoped
or faked in some way....lock ness monster ring a bell ?
when our individual end of days comes the non believers will be very suprised......they won't
see Bigfoot or a UFO.

Godfather.

that's hogwash. I know several people without faith that don't believe in such things. I, for one, am open to all possibilities. You, are not. That makes you close minded.

humans discover thousands of new species every year, what's to say that we may not have discovered bigfoot or nessie yet? maybe they are extinct, maybe they walk/swim among us, maybe they never existed at all, but just because we haven't yet discovered their fossils/bones does not mean they don't exist.

I find it amusing some theists (like the godfather here) laugh at those who believe something they've never seen might actually exist. Does your god ring a bell?

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

if there is actually a god, then personally, I want no part of him. if what human scripture is written is correct, and his attitude is "either you're with me or against me", then I say f*** him.

come chat with me and i'll decide if I want to join your team. signing an infinite contract without negotiations is not for me.

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Johnny Sitar wrote:

if there is actually a god, then personally, I want no part of him. if what human scripture is written is correct, and his attitude is "either you're with me or against me", then I say f*** him.

come chat with me and i'll decide if I want to join your team. signing an infinite contract without negotiations is not for me.

If there is a God He'll say the same to you. The difference is he can have an effect on your being, you can't on His.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

Godfather. wrote:

it's called faith if you have non you have nothing, yours is a high stakes gamble with out it.
is it so hard to believe in God ? I'll bet most with out faith believe that UFO's are real or they
saw Bigfoot or even believe that the photo's of these thing's are real and not photoshoped
or faked in some way....lock ness monster ring a bell ?
when our individual end of days comes the non believers will be very suprised......they won't
see Bigfoot or a UFO.

Godfather.

huh?

I think logic would be that the believers would be more likely to believe in UFO's and Bigfoot, etc. since you already believe in something that cannot be seen or proven.

of course UFO's are real by definition....but you were probably referring to Area 51 crap

Gern Blansten · January 2010

Johnny Sitar wrote:

if there is actually a god, then personally, I want no part of him. if what human scripture is written is correct, and his attitude is "either you're with me or against me", then I say f*** him.

come chat with me and i'll decide if I want to join your team. signing an infinite contract without negotiations is not for me.

exactly....any reasonable and intelligent being would allow such a negotiation because a truly loving god would want everyone on his side....not just the lucky few that were born into the christian religion

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

exactly....any reasonable and intelligent being would allow such a negotiation because a truly loving god would want everyone on his side....not just the lucky few that were born into the christian religion

You all still dont understand Gods nature. He is good and perfect and cant even stand the sight or presence of sin. We are sinful by nature, not by God but by our own choice. Think of it as a man standing in the sun. I'm not saying but this is but for sake of example God is the sun. God is light. Evil is darkness. Man cant stand in the the light and not cast a shadow. Sin is our constant shadow that follows and plagues us. We cant be in the presence of God without a renewing of the mind and spirit. A cleansing of the sin through God's own sacrifice. Death allows us to be in Gods presence after we shed our worldly bodies.

By the way how can you have an idea of what a truely loving intelligent God SHOULD be like? Especially if you dont believe in one or care to read about His true nature from His Word.

People may be born into the religion but its God who sends the Holy Spirit to actually convict the heart in a way where the person WANTS to follow God. You will never be at a place where God will want you unless you want Him.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

exactly....any reasonable and intelligent being would allow such a negotiation because a truly loving god would want everyone on his side....not just the lucky few that were born into the christian religion

You all still dont understand Gods nature. He is good and perfect and cant even stand the sight or presence of sin. We are sinful by nature, not by God but by our own choice. Think of it as a man standing in the sun. I'm not saying but this is but for sake of example God is the sun. God is light. Evil is darkness. Man cant stand in the the light and not cast a shadow. Sin is our constant shadow that follows and plagues us. We cant be in the presence of God without a renewing of the mind and spirit. A cleansing of the sin through God's own sacrifice. Death allows us to be in Gods presence after we shed our worldly bodies.

By the way how can you have an idea of what a truely loving intelligent God SHOULD be like? Especially if you dont believe in one or care to read about His true nature from His Word.

People may be born into the religion but its God who sends the Holy Spirit to actually convict the heart in a way where the person WANTS to follow God. You will never be at a place where God will want you unless you want Him.

no man....the problem here is that I DO understand and you believe in invisible people.

remember at one point in my life I would be typing the same garbage that you are typing....that's behind me now

Godfather. · January 2010

looks like I hit a soft spot, but really who is close minded Johnny ?

Godfather.

EddieLedBetter · January 2010

Gern Blansten wrote:

no man....the problem here is that I DO understand and you believe in invisible people.

remember at one point in my life I would be typing the same garbage that you are typing....that's behind me now

Why do you feel such a need to disprove or argue against it? You and Johnny are the most promonate posters on here besides me. Why even argue if you know that what you know is true? It would seem that you all's actions are more of a valicious nature toward God or religion than just wanting truth out there. What you are portraying is that you dont believe in God but you hate him. Like the guy said in the debate you have to sit on his lap to slap his face. Seeing as you both used to be like me. You see you and I are the same. You are telling me I'm wrong and am foolish for believing what I believe and basically, without saying it, that I should believe what you believe, which is all I am doing. One of us is wrong. With me I FEEL like yes an invisible Spirit is guiding me. Your cheating yourself out of a new understanding by only going on science and worldly things. Dont say that the bible is worldly because it was based off The non-worldly force.

Gern Blansten · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Gern Blansten wrote:

no man....the problem here is that I DO understand and you believe in invisible people.

remember at one point in my life I would be typing the same garbage that you are typing....that's behind me now

Why do you feel such a need to disprove or argue against it? You and Johnny are the most promonate posters on here besides me. Why even argue if you know that what you know is true? It would seem that you all's actions are more of a valicious nature toward God or religion than just wanting truth out there. What you are portraying is that you dont believe in God but you hate him. Like the guy said in the debate you have to sit on his lap to slap his face. Seeing as you both used to be like me. You see you and I are the same. You are telling me I'm wrong and am foolish for believing what I believe and basically, without saying it, that I should believe what you believe, which is all I am doing. One of us is wrong. With me I FEEL like yes an invisible Spirit is guiding me. Your cheating yourself out of a new understanding by only going on science and worldly things. Dont say that the bible is worldly because it was based off The non-worldly force.

I don't really feel a need I guess...I'm just responding to your statements

Hugh Freaking Dillon · January 2010

EddieLedBetter wrote:

Johnny Sitar wrote:

if there is actually a god, then personally, I want no part of him. if what human scripture is written is correct, and his attitude is "either you're with me or against me", then I say f*** him.

come chat with me and i'll decide if I want to join your team. signing an infinite contract without negotiations is not for me.

If there is a God He'll say the same to you. The difference is he can have an effect on your being, you can't on His.

you think god will tell me "F*** you"??? wow, what a nice deity you have.

this thread is getting funnier by the minute.

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