This just supports my contention that when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
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Or maybe the arguement is, 'See... it's right here in the Bible.' thinking you are going to respond with, 'Yes, it is. You are right... end of debate."
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Hail, Hail!!!
Ok so what about Haiti? They are a very religious country... what did the hundreds of thousands of people do to deserve "God"'s punishment?
Earthquakes are natural occurrences that are necessary to the homeostasis of our planet. How about not focusing on the bad, or why or what? Dont overlook all the good that has come from this event. Awareness of hurting people, the reaching out of the world toward this country. Bad things happen in a fallen world. God uses the things that happen for his greater good.
Jesus was a very religious person and look what the world did to him. What did he do to deserve it?
Questions... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created men and women and told them to be fruitful and multiply. So, what's the deal with Eve? Why was she created from Adam's rib?
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And if God is perfect and know the beginning and the end and everything in between... why the heck did He place the Tree of the fruit of knowledge in the middle of Eden??? If the fruit was forbidden.. why did He make it... and moreover, why didn't He plant it in the middle of the amazon forrest, an ocean away from Eden?
This makes it sound like God just wants to fuck with us... so He can kick our asses. Sounds kind of like an asshole, to me.
I ain't buying it. I don't believe God is the prick the Bible paints Him as... He is better than that.
God wants you to love and come to know him by free will. There is plenty of knowledge in the bible if one would open it to learn instead of to pick it apart and find flaws.
Questions... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created men and women and told them to be fruitful and multiply. So, what's the deal with Eve? Why was she created from Adam's rib?
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And if God is perfect and know the beginning and the end and everything in between... why the heck did He place the Tree of the fruit of knowledge in the middle of Eden??? If the fruit was forbidden.. why did He make it... and moreover, why didn't He plant it in the middle of the amazon forrest, an ocean away from Eden?
This makes it sound like God just wants to fuck with us... so He can kick our asses. Sounds kind of like an asshole, to me.
I ain't buying it. I don't believe God is the prick the Bible paints Him as... He is better than that.
God wants you to love and come to know him by free will. There is plenty of knowledge in the bible if one would open it to learn instead of to pick it apart and find flaws.
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God wants us to love Him... so, those 'God Fearing Christians'... what's the deal with them? You even said, yourself, "Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday."
God is to be feared... does that mean our fear of His punishment is what makes us behave?
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Knowledge... or spiritality are found in the Bible? Give me some actual 'Knowledge' in the Bible? And actually... I am picking apart the so-called logical thinking used by those whom claim to know the truth for all.
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P.S. Are you raising your kids with the constant threat of punishment and suffering if they do not obey you?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Simple - We are in the universe and the universe is in us. "God" is everwhere. The Bible is a whole other story. Emphasis on story. The Bible is a string of rules and legends written by old Hebrew men. As for Christ; to be Christian you have to believe in the virgin birth and the resurection. To believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ does not seem to matter.
"Vanity of vanities
The whole thing is a vain parade
It has no meaning . . ."
like what I mean is, why worship something that apparently lets bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? sounds like an asshole to me. but if he's all good then are all those things good? and if he's all powerful then how come he can't get rid of the bad? if the man can make an entire universe in 6 days how come he can't get rid of cancer in people?
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday.
Science shows that the making of the universe didnt take six days. How do you know how long a day is to God compared to us? He isnt a man he is a deity. Cancer is a result of the fallen world which goes back to the parent just letting the kid off the hook for disobedience. He didnt originally make us to live in this fallen world. We chose to have this.
Who knows what God actually is we are told to look at him as a Father just as a father looks at his created offspring. The love we are supposed to have for our children reflect his love for us. This is where "father" comes from.
he's a shitty father....lots of his children left unfed and unattended
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Simple - We are in the universe and the universe is in us. "God" is everwhere. The Bible is a whole other story. Emphasis on story. The Bible is a string of rules and legends written by old Hebrew men. As for Christ; to be Christian you have to believe in the virgin birth and the resurection. To believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ does not seem to matter.
"Vanity of vanities
The whole thing is a vain parade
It has no meaning . . ."
The teachings of Jesus Christ are the only true word, because Jesus is God.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible is a whole other story. Emphasis on story. The Bible is a string of rules and legends written by old Hebrew men.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is any private interpretation,
21for prophecy never came by will of man, but Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Ok so what about Haiti? They are a very religious country... what did the hundreds of thousands of people do to deserve "God"'s punishment?
Earthquakes are natural occurrences that are necessary to the homeostasis of our planet. How about not focusing on the bad, or why or what? Dont overlook all the good that has come from this event. Awareness of hurting people, the reaching out of the world toward this country. Bad things happen in a fallen world. God uses the things that happen for his greater good.
Jesus was a very religious person and look what the world did to him. What did he do to deserve it?
I think not enough people question or ask why.
The ones who do are the ones who think outside of the box, and the ones who start to think for themselves and not what a book or other people tell them.
Simple - We are in the universe and the universe is in us. "God" is everwhere. The Bible is a whole other story. Emphasis on story. The Bible is a string of rules and legends written by old Hebrew men. As for Christ; to be Christian you have to believe in the virgin birth and the resurection. To believe in the teachings of Jesus Christ does not seem to matter.
"Vanity of vanities
The whole thing is a vain parade
It has no meaning . . ."
The teachings of Jesus Christ are the only true word, because Jesus is God.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible is a whole other story. Emphasis on story. The Bible is a string of rules and legends written by old Hebrew men.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is any private interpretation,
21for prophecy never came by will of man, but Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.[/quote]
The bible is true because it says it is.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
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That's funny because in it's simplest form... that is it.
All religious people need to say is, "I took the leap of faith... and this is what i believe." and the case is closed. You cannot argue belief. What everyone have been debating is truth and knowledge. If somone believes in the Bible... there is no arguement. The arguement points crop up when they mistake belief as knowledge and/or truth.
Very good.
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Hail, Hail!!!
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That's funny because in it's simplest form... that is it.
All religious people need to say is, "I took the leap of faith... and this is what i believe." and the case is closed. You cannot argue belief. What everyone have been debating is truth and knowledge. If somone believes in the Bible... there is no arguement. The arguement points crop up when they mistake belief as knowledge and/or truth.
Very good.
Yesssirrrrrrr.
Seems kinda simple.
A rationalist and a dogmatic christian have been arguing here for awhile.
Cat - meow
Dog - bark
Cat - MEOW
Dog - bark
Cat - MEOWWW!!!
Dog - bark
Cat - stupid dog...
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
Ok so what about Haiti? They are a very religious country... what did the hundreds of thousands of people do to deserve "God"'s punishment?
Earthquakes are natural occurrences that are necessary to the homeostasis of our planet. How about not focusing on the bad, or why or what? Dont overlook all the good that has come from this event. Awareness of hurting people, the reaching out of the world toward this country. Bad things happen in a fallen world. God uses the things that happen for his greater good.
Jesus was a very religious person and look what the world did to him. What did he do to deserve it?
I think not enough people question or ask why.
The ones who do are the ones who think outside of the box, and the ones who start to think for themselves and not what a book or other people tell them.
Okay then why do you think Haiti happened? What is your explaination?
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That's funny because in it's simplest form... that is it.
All religious people need to say is, "I took the leap of faith... and this is what i believe." and the case is closed. You cannot argue belief. What everyone have been debating is truth and knowledge. If somone believes in the Bible... there is no arguement. The arguement points crop up when they mistake belief as knowledge and/or truth.
Very good.
Why doesn’t that work both ways? Non-religious people don’t have a problem saying that what opposes the bible is truth or knowledge. For example; I should believe that we came from nothing by random chance for no apparent reason. That needs faith from my point of view as well. So would you agree that your arguments against the bible are just beliefs as well or is there some truth or knowledge in what you believe?
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That's funny because in it's simplest form... that is it.
All religious people need to say is, "I took the leap of faith... and this is what i believe." and the case is closed. You cannot argue belief. What everyone have been debating is truth and knowledge. If somone believes in the Bible... there is no arguement. The arguement points crop up when they mistake belief as knowledge and/or truth.
Very good.
Why doesn’t that work both ways? Non-religious people don’t have a problem saying that what opposes the bible is truth or knowledge. For example; I should believe that we came from nothing by random chance for no apparent reason. That needs faith from my point of view as well. So would you agree that your arguments against the bible are just beliefs as well or is there some truth or knowledge in what you believe?
this is what we've been trying desperately to get through to you. WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW IT ALL. ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WHAT WE DO KNOW, OR WHAT WE CAN THEORIZE BASED ON FINDINGS OF KNOWLEDGE. YOU SAY YOU KNOW IT ALL BASED ON NOTHING. Why is that so hard to grasp? Is the grass being green a belief, or a truth to you? Do you know the difference between belief and theory?
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Okay then why do you think Haiti happened? What is your explaination?
two tectonic plates reacted after hundreds of years of tension along a faultline, causing a severe earthquake that an impoverished country wasn't prepared for.
this is what we've been trying desperately to get through to you. WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW IT ALL. ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WHAT WE DO KNOW, OR WHAT WE CAN THEORIZE BASED ON FINDINGS OF KNOWLEDGE. YOU SAY YOU KNOW IT ALL BASED ON NOTHING. Why is that so hard to grasp? Is the grass being green a belief, or a truth to you? Do you know the difference between belief and theory?
THANK YOU.
My point exactly, you cant just stamp God on everything. Its ok to not know.
I'd rather leave it unexplained than to say God made it so.
Why doesn’t that work both ways? Non-religious people don’t have a problem saying that what opposes the bible is truth or knowledge. For example; I should believe that we came from nothing by random chance for no apparent reason. That needs faith from my point of view as well. So would you agree that your arguments against the bible are just beliefs as well or is there some truth or knowledge in what you believe?
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The reason it doesn't work both ways?
Because I am saying, "I don't know". I am not proclaiming myself as the bearer of 'The Truth'.
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And I don't care what you believe.... I don't care if you believe you know the truth. I know the truth... that you don't know, either.
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As for the Bible... i have listed my many, many questions that have been either ignored, brushed over or brushed aside as silly childish questions. And i am going to the 'Known' column when I say, "I know there are no talking snakes... and there weren't talking snakes in the Middle East during the Neolithic period". People high on opiates that snakes talked to... yes. But, talking snakes? Nope.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Ok so what about Haiti? They are a very religious country... what did the hundreds of thousands of people do to deserve "God"'s punishment?
Earthquakes are natural occurrences that are necessary to the homeostasis of our planet. How about not focusing on the bad, or why or what? Dont overlook all the good that has come from this event. Awareness of hurting people, the reaching out of the world toward this country. Bad things happen in a fallen world. God uses the things that happen for his greater good.
Jesus was a very religious person and look what the world did to him. What did he do to deserve it?
I think not enough people question or ask why.
The ones who do are the ones who think outside of the box, and the ones who start to think for themselves and not what a book or other people tell them.
this isn't meant for you directly haffajappa. I just don't plan on spending anymore time on this thread.
I see the atheists on this board love to mock and attack.
I'm a Christian. I think for myself and have questioned my religion. I have always believed in God but have followed different paths in the past. When I really started looking at other religions and Christianity I came to the conclusion that Believing in God and knowing that the only way to God is through Jesus. It is the only way.
Maybe athiests need to start thinking outside the box instead of believing everthing just appeared out of nowhere for no reason. Then some theory will come along stating how it all began and then it will be found that it was inaccurate then another theory will form.
Please just take the time to look into it instead of mocking it.
Like I said before. It's up to you to have faith. God gives everyone free will. No one is telling you that you have to believe.
What's the worse thing that can happen to me if I'm wrong. I would die and nothing.
But if you die and you come face to face with God, well then.....................
I have found The Beach to be a very wise uplifting person. A joy to read their posts.
I heard something today I also loved
"we spend our lifetime moving towards God".
Just thought I would share, because sharing is a kind way of communicating.
this isn't meant for you directly haffajappa. I just don't plan on spending anymore time on this thread.
I see the atheists on this board love to mock and attack.
I'm a Christian. I think for myself and have questioned my religion. I have always believed in God but have followed different paths in the past. When I really started looking at other religions and Christianity I came to the conclusion that Believing in God and knowing that the only way to God is through Jesus. It is the only way.
Maybe athiests need to start thinking outside the box instead of believing everthing just appeared out of nowhere for no reason. Then some theory will come along stating how it all began and then it will be found that it was inaccurate then another theory will form.
Please just take the time to look into it instead of mocking it.
Like I said before. It's up to you to have faith. God gives everyone free will. No one is telling you that you have to believe.
What's the worse thing that can happen to me if I'm wrong. I would die and nothing.
But if you die and you come face to face with God, well then.....................
I'm not mocking you at all. Never have. What you call mocking and attacking is what we call defense of condescension and arrogance. And I'm pretty sure atheists (and agnostics, like me) are the ones thinking outside the box. That would entail going against the grain of "truth" that has beaten into our heads for the last thousand years by the religious masses. Science is what is thinking outside the box. Constantly looking for new ideas and theories of how the earth came to be and evolved over time. How is that stagnant thinking? Religion stays inside the box, and won't ever leave. A book was written 2000 years ago and will never change. And that's FINE, if that's what you need in your life.
But your last point is what strikes me the most: it states to me that you don't truly believe in God or anything else, you have accepted him as a "just in case". I don't plan to live my life in fear of anything. That makes me truly free and happy.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
this isn't meant for you directly haffajappa. I just don't plan on spending anymore time on this thread.
I see the atheists on this board love to mock and attack.
I'm a Christian. I think for myself and have questioned my religion. I have always believed in God but have followed different paths in the past. When I really started looking at other religions and Christianity I came to the conclusion that Believing in God and knowing that the only way to God is through Jesus. It is the only way.
Maybe athiests need to start thinking outside the box instead of believing everthing just appeared out of nowhere for no reason. Then some theory will come along stating how it all began and then it will be found that it was inaccurate then another theory will form.
Please just take the time to look into it instead of mocking it.
Like I said before. It's up to you to have faith. God gives everyone free will. No one is telling you that you have to believe.
What's the worse thing that can happen to me if I'm wrong. I would die and nothing.
But if you die and you come face to face with God, well then.....................
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Well then... God will tell me, "Ease yourself, my son... all of those questions you have had about Me... and life and spirit and Truth... I am here to finally answer them for you".
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God is Great.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Why doesn’t that work both ways? Non-religious people don’t have a problem saying that what opposes the bible is truth or knowledge. For example; I should believe that we came from nothing by random chance for no apparent reason. That needs faith from my point of view as well. So would you agree that your arguments against the bible are just beliefs as well or is there some truth or knowledge in what you believe?
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The reason it doesn't work both ways?
Because I am saying, "I don't know". I am not proclaiming myself as the bearer of 'The Truth'.
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And I don't care what you believe.... I don't care if you believe you know the truth. I know the truth... that you don't know, either.
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As for the Bible... i have listed my many, many questions that have been either ignored, brushed over or brushed aside as silly childish questions. And i am going to the 'Known' column when I say, "I know there are no talking snakes... and there weren't talking snakes in the Middle East during the Neolithic period". People high on opiates that snakes talked to... yes. But, talking snakes? Nope.
this isn't meant for you directly haffajappa. I just don't plan on spending anymore time on this thread.
I see the atheists on this board love to mock and attack.
I'm a Christian. I think for myself and have questioned my religion. I have always believed in God but have followed different paths in the past. When I really started looking at other religions and Christianity I came to the conclusion that Believing in God and knowing that the only way to God is through Jesus. It is the only way.
Maybe athiests need to start thinking outside the box instead of believing everthing just appeared out of nowhere for no reason. Then some theory will come along stating how it all began and then it will be found that it was inaccurate then another theory will form.
Please just take the time to look into it instead of mocking it.
Like I said before. It's up to you to have faith. God gives everyone free will. No one is telling you that you have to believe.
What's the worse thing that can happen to me if I'm wrong. I would die and nothing.
But if you die and you come face to face with God, well then.....................
Yeah... Im not trying to mock. : )
Didn't everything come from nothing when God made the world according to the bible?
Old theories can be surpassed by new ones, and that's the great thing about science. But how many people can embrace new ideas when they are so focused on a book that was made up thousands of years ago? I'm surprised many people don't still insist the Earth is the centre of the universe...
Many of my friends are very religious, my best friend is a catholic. We get along because we all value each others opinion.
The main post in this thread is asking how is it so hard to believe, and i think most atheists in here are explaining why.
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Or maybe the arguement is, 'See... it's right here in the Bible.' thinking you are going to respond with, 'Yes, it is. You are right... end of debate."
Hail, Hail!!!
Earthquakes are natural occurrences that are necessary to the homeostasis of our planet. How about not focusing on the bad, or why or what? Dont overlook all the good that has come from this event. Awareness of hurting people, the reaching out of the world toward this country. Bad things happen in a fallen world. God uses the things that happen for his greater good.
Jesus was a very religious person and look what the world did to him. What did he do to deserve it?
God wants you to love and come to know him by free will. There is plenty of knowledge in the bible if one would open it to learn instead of to pick it apart and find flaws.
Jesus questioned the interpretations being made by the established religion.
Hail, Hail!!!
God wants us to love Him... so, those 'God Fearing Christians'... what's the deal with them? You even said, yourself, "Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday."
God is to be feared... does that mean our fear of His punishment is what makes us behave?
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Knowledge... or spiritality are found in the Bible? Give me some actual 'Knowledge' in the Bible? And actually... I am picking apart the so-called logical thinking used by those whom claim to know the truth for all.
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P.S. Are you raising your kids with the constant threat of punishment and suffering if they do not obey you?
Hail, Hail!!!
"Vanity of vanities
The whole thing is a vain parade
It has no meaning . . ."
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
he's a shitty father....lots of his children left unfed and unattended
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good point, actually. if he were here in human form he'd be imprisoned for neglect.
and i don't believe in anyone who has to "kill" hundreds of thousands of people in an earthquake to show there is good in the world.
its called a natural disaster because thats what it was, a disaster caused by nature.
The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
2 Peter 1:20-21
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is any private interpretation,
21for prophecy never came by will of man, but Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
want to be enlightened"
want to be enlightened"
I think not enough people question or ask why.
The ones who do are the ones who think outside of the box, and the ones who start to think for themselves and not what a book or other people tell them.
God doesn't have conrol over what Satan does?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is any private interpretation,
21for prophecy never came by will of man, but Holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.[/quote]
The bible is true because it says it is.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
That's funny because in it's simplest form... that is it.
All religious people need to say is, "I took the leap of faith... and this is what i believe." and the case is closed. You cannot argue belief. What everyone have been debating is truth and knowledge. If somone believes in the Bible... there is no arguement. The arguement points crop up when they mistake belief as knowledge and/or truth.
Very good.
Hail, Hail!!!
Yesssirrrrrrr.
Seems kinda simple.
A rationalist and a dogmatic christian have been arguing here for awhile.
Cat - meow
Dog - bark
Cat - MEOW
Dog - bark
Cat - MEOWWW!!!
Dog - bark
Cat - stupid dog...
Okay then why do you think Haiti happened? What is your explaination?
Why doesn’t that work both ways? Non-religious people don’t have a problem saying that what opposes the bible is truth or knowledge. For example; I should believe that we came from nothing by random chance for no apparent reason. That needs faith from my point of view as well. So would you agree that your arguments against the bible are just beliefs as well or is there some truth or knowledge in what you believe?
let me think......hmmmm.........oh yeah.......NATURE!
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
this is what we've been trying desperately to get through to you. WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW IT ALL. ALL WE CAN GO BY IS WHAT WE DO KNOW, OR WHAT WE CAN THEORIZE BASED ON FINDINGS OF KNOWLEDGE. YOU SAY YOU KNOW IT ALL BASED ON NOTHING. Why is that so hard to grasp? Is the grass being green a belief, or a truth to you? Do you know the difference between belief and theory?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
THANK YOU.
My point exactly, you cant just stamp God on everything. Its ok to not know.
I'd rather leave it unexplained than to say God made it so.
The reason it doesn't work both ways?
Because I am saying, "I don't know". I am not proclaiming myself as the bearer of 'The Truth'.
...
And I don't care what you believe.... I don't care if you believe you know the truth. I know the truth... that you don't know, either.
...
As for the Bible... i have listed my many, many questions that have been either ignored, brushed over or brushed aside as silly childish questions. And i am going to the 'Known' column when I say, "I know there are no talking snakes... and there weren't talking snakes in the Middle East during the Neolithic period". People high on opiates that snakes talked to... yes. But, talking snakes? Nope.
Hail, Hail!!!
I see the atheists on this board love to mock and attack.
I'm a Christian. I think for myself and have questioned my religion. I have always believed in God but have followed different paths in the past. When I really started looking at other religions and Christianity I came to the conclusion that Believing in God and knowing that the only way to God is through Jesus. It is the only way.
Maybe athiests need to start thinking outside the box instead of believing everthing just appeared out of nowhere for no reason. Then some theory will come along stating how it all began and then it will be found that it was inaccurate then another theory will form.
Please just take the time to look into it instead of mocking it.
Like I said before. It's up to you to have faith. God gives everyone free will. No one is telling you that you have to believe.
What's the worse thing that can happen to me if I'm wrong. I would die and nothing.
But if you die and you come face to face with God, well then.....................
want to be enlightened"
I heard something today I also loved
"we spend our lifetime moving towards God".
Just thought I would share, because sharing is a kind way of communicating.
I'm not mocking you at all. Never have. What you call mocking and attacking is what we call defense of condescension and arrogance. And I'm pretty sure atheists (and agnostics, like me) are the ones thinking outside the box. That would entail going against the grain of "truth" that has beaten into our heads for the last thousand years by the religious masses. Science is what is thinking outside the box. Constantly looking for new ideas and theories of how the earth came to be and evolved over time. How is that stagnant thinking? Religion stays inside the box, and won't ever leave. A book was written 2000 years ago and will never change. And that's FINE, if that's what you need in your life.
But your last point is what strikes me the most: it states to me that you don't truly believe in God or anything else, you have accepted him as a "just in case". I don't plan to live my life in fear of anything. That makes me truly free and happy.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Well then... God will tell me, "Ease yourself, my son... all of those questions you have had about Me... and life and spirit and Truth... I am here to finally answer them for you".
...
God is Great.
Hail, Hail!!!
Didn't everything come from nothing when God made the world according to the bible?
Old theories can be surpassed by new ones, and that's the great thing about science. But how many people can embrace new ideas when they are so focused on a book that was made up thousands of years ago? I'm surprised many people don't still insist the Earth is the centre of the universe...
Many of my friends are very religious, my best friend is a catholic. We get along because we all value each others opinion.
The main post in this thread is asking how is it so hard to believe, and i think most atheists in here are explaining why.