i'd say you need a significant amount of faith, actually, to see the fossil record, all of its holes, nearly complete absence of transitional species and evidence of a cambrian explosion, yet insist that a purely naturalistic worldview is the only logical one. i'd say you need to have faith indeed.
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Science is a learning experience... no one says we know all there is to know. Science is not a fixed state. New discoveries will bring up new possibilities, raise new questions.
That is different from religion. Religion does not change. When religion ruled law... science was explained from a viewpoint of religion. That is how the Earth (Man) got placed at the center of the Universe with the sun revolving around the Earth. Because Man was the center of God's focus. To say otherwise, was risking death. Religion does not change unless change is thrust upon it... such as when Copernicus used scientific methodology to describe the heliocentric solar system. Man was no longer the center of God's creation. When Martin Luther forced change and stood against the Roman Catholic Church to set off the Protestant reformist view of Christianity. Religion did not change on its own. The Bible is not open to new chapters, amendments or addendums. It is a fixed state.
And read the things in here... I am saying I know that I don't know, while others say they know all there is to know, regarding God and this life. The reason why I doubt that claim is because I do not have faith in the Roman Catholic Church... who pretty much have the Bible in its sole possession from about 400 to the 1500s. The Roman Catholic Church defined what the Bible should be. I don't trust the Roman Catholic Church or its Pope and Bishops... so, it is difficult for me to proclaim the bible as the absolute truth. I'm not saying it is or it isn't... i'm saying I don't know... but, from what I gather, I cannot trust the authority of the church.
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So, I understand your position on faith in science... but, please, try to understand... to me... science is not my religion. Science is a more methodical explanation of the nature of things and the explanation presented to me by religion. I can place my faith in the scientific method... and still have a spiritual belief in God. The biggest difference being, the God I believe in is not the God that religion paints Him.
Am I wrong or am i right? I don't know.
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i'd say you need a significant amount of faith, actually, to see the fossil record, all of its holes, nearly complete absence of transitional species and evidence of a cambrian explosion, yet insist that a purely naturalistic worldview is the only logical one. i'd say you need to have faith indeed.
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Science is a learning experience... no one says we know all there is to know. Science is not a fixed state. New discoveries will bring up new possibilities, raise new questions.
That is different from religion. Religion does not change. When religion ruled law... science was explained from a viewpoint of religion. That is how the Earth (Man) got placed at the center of the Universe with the sun revolving around the Earth. Because Man was the center of God's focus. To say otherwise, was risking death. Religion does not change unless change is thrust upon it... such as when Copernicus used scientific methodology to describe the heliocentric solar system. Man was no longer the center of God's creation. When Martin Luther forced change and stood against the Roman Catholic Church to set off the Protestant reformist view of Christianity. Religion did not change on its own. The Bible is not open to new chapters, amendments or addendums. It is a fixed state.
And read the things in here... I am saying I know that I don't know, while others say they know all there is to know, regarding God and this life. The reason why I doubt that claim is because I do not have faith in the Roman Catholic Church... who pretty much have the Bible in its sole possession from about 400 to the 1500s. The Roman Catholic Church defined what the Bible should be. I don't trust the Roman Catholic Church or its Pope and Bishops... so, it is difficult for me to proclaim the bible as the absolute truth. I'm not saying it is or it isn't... i'm saying I don't know... but, from what I gather, I cannot trust the authority of the church.
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So, I understand your position on faith in science... but, please, try to understand... to me... science is not my religion. Science is a more methodical explanation of the nature of things and the explanation presented to me by religion. I can place my faith in the scientific method... and still have a spiritual belief in God. The biggest difference being, the God I believe in is not the God that religion paints Him.
Am I wrong or am i right? I don't know.
Remove religion completely. God the father sent and spoke through Jesus and several other men through visions to compile the bible. The roman catholic church can be considered evil. Power and control by men are not of God. You + the bible + prayer through the spirit are all a person needs to see the nature of God and what he wants of us. We know that men are evil. We know they screw up what God intended but the three things I listed above are all you should use to base your opinion of God on. Not other men's faults. God spoke, used visions and interventions at times through history when he was making amendments to his word. His word is complete which is why humans haven't experienced any direct wonders from him. The end of another age could very well be upon us and everyone knows the story of Jesus. The story has been told, it's your choice to head Gods way or the earthy father from bellows way.
i'd say you need a significant amount of faith, actually, to see the fossil record, all of its holes, nearly complete absence of transitional species and evidence of a cambrian explosion, yet insist that a purely naturalistic worldview is the only logical one. i'd say you need to have faith indeed.
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Science is a learning experience... no one says we know all there is to know. Science is not a fixed state. New discoveries will bring up new possibilities, raise new questions.
That is different from religion. Religion does not change. When religion ruled law... science was explained from a viewpoint of religion. That is how the Earth (Man) got placed at the center of the Universe with the sun revolving around the Earth. Because Man was the center of God's focus. To say otherwise, was risking death. Religion does not change unless change is thrust upon it... such as when Copernicus used scientific methodology to describe the heliocentric solar system. Man was no longer the center of God's creation. When Martin Luther forced change and stood against the Roman Catholic Church to set off the Protestant reformist view of Christianity. Religion did not change on its own. The Bible is not open to new chapters, amendments or addendums. It is a fixed state.
And read the things in here... I am saying I know that I don't know, while others say they know all there is to know, regarding God and this life. The reason why I doubt that claim is because I do not have faith in the Roman Catholic Church... who pretty much have the Bible in its sole possession from about 400 to the 1500s. The Roman Catholic Church defined what the Bible should be. I don't trust the Roman Catholic Church or its Pope and Bishops... so, it is difficult for me to proclaim the bible as the absolute truth. I'm not saying it is or it isn't... i'm saying I don't know... but, from what I gather, I cannot trust the authority of the church.
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So, I understand your position on faith in science... but, please, try to understand... to me... science is not my religion. Science is a more methodical explanation of the nature of things and the explanation presented to me by religion. I can place my faith in the scientific method... and still have a spiritual belief in God. The biggest difference being, the God I believe in is not the God that religion paints Him.
Am I wrong or am i right? I don't know.
Remove religion completely. God the father sent and spoke through Jesus and several other men through visions to compile the bible. The roman catholic church can be considered evil. Power and control by men are not of God. You + the bible + prayer through the spirit are all a person needs to see the nature of God and what he wants of us. We know that men are evil. We know they screw up what God intended but the three things I listed above are all you should use to base your opinion of God on. Not other men's faults. God spoke, used visions and interventions at times through history when he was making amendments to his word. His word is complete which is why humans haven't experienced any direct wonders from him. The end of another age could very well be upon us and everyone knows the story of Jesus. The story has been told, it's your choice to head Gods way or the earthy father from bellows way.
Doesn't everyone get it by now. The bible is true because the bible says it is. You guys are sooo thick sometimes it blows my mind.
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Remove religion completely. God the father sent and spoke through Jesus and several other men through visions to compile the bible. The roman catholic church can be considered evil. Power and control by men are not of God. You + the bible + prayer through the spirit are all a person needs to see the nature of God and what he wants of us. We know that men are evil. We know they screw up what God intended but the three things I listed above are all you should use to base your opinion of God on. Not other men's faults. God spoke, used visions and interventions at times through history when he was making amendments to his word. His word is complete which is why humans haven't experienced any direct wonders from him. The end of another age could very well be upon us and everyone knows the story of Jesus. The story has been told, it's your choice to head Gods way or the earthy father from bellows way.
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I don't know... but, from what I can gather... you just described religion (Christianity, to be specific).
The methodolgy I would need to employ would be to:
1. Accept the Bible as the true word of God... and release my feelings towards the Holy Roman Church of 400 to 1500 A.D. having sole custody of the book.
2. Pray through Jesus Christ and accept Him as my conduit to God... because Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are One.
Yeah.. sounds like Christianity to me... and at last check, Christianity is still a religion.
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And it is not of my opinion that all men are evil. Imperfect, fucked up, poor decision makers (at times), but not all people strive to impose evil on their neighbors. And yes, there are sociopaths out there that have no remorse... but, they are the exception, not the rule. I would have to believe I was an evil person who needs to have Biblical Commandments to keep me from killing people, stealing their stuff or coveting their ox's and asses. It is the human in me that knows these things are wrong. That would be something else I would need to do.
All of this just raises too many questions (that have gone unanswerd to me for decades) for me. I'm going to let the humanity in me guide me through this journey.
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if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
Let me try this one...
The people that get killed/raped/harvested, etc. have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Once you accept Jesus into your heart everything is wonderful and all your prayers are answered and you never get hurt.
You obviously haven't read the bible. Once you read it your life will be transformed.
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A supernatural force is evil. Explain to me what evil is?
a god who kills (or lets die) someone in a car crash so that his friend will become a believer.
death is a result of our sinful nature. God doesnt kill or keep people from dying. The evil one made that disease that existed outside of the garden or made that guy drink before he got behind the wheel not God.
so why does the drunk guy behind the wheel survive the accident, and the guy in the other car who was doing nothing wrong, die?
how is that merciful. why is your god so kind to the unthankful and evil?
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
Let me try this one...
The people that get killed/raped/harvested, etc. have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Once you accept Jesus into your heart everything is wonderful and all your prayers are answered and you never get hurt.
You obviously haven't read the bible. Once you read it your life will be transformed.
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
Let me try this one...
The people that get killed/raped/harvested, etc. have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Once you accept Jesus into your heart everything is wonderful and all your prayers are answered and you never get hurt.
You obviously haven't read the bible. Once you read it your life will be transformed.
Blame Satan
Could the Christian god snap his fingers and make Satan disappear?
If the answer is 'no', then that is one weak ass god. And if the answer is 'yes', then that is one evil fucking god.
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
Let me try this one...
The people that get killed/raped/harvested, etc. have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Once you accept Jesus into your heart everything is wonderful and all your prayers are answered and you never get hurt.
You obviously haven't read the bible. Once you read it your life will be transformed.
lol...
i've actually wanted to read the bible just never found the time.
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
?????? ....
Godfather.
like what I mean is, why worship something that apparently lets bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? sounds like an asshole to me. but if he's all good then are all those things good? and if he's all powerful then how come he can't get rid of the bad? if the man can make an entire universe in 6 days how come he can't get rid of cancer in people?
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
if God is "all good" why does he let women and children get raped? or millions of people get homeless because of a natural disaster? or millions upon millions of people die because of disease, poverty, injustice, etc etc.?
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
?????? ....
Godfather.
like what I mean is, why worship something that apparently lets bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? sounds like an asshole to me. but if he's all good then are all those things good? and if he's all powerful then how come he can't get rid of the bad? if the man can make an entire universe in 6 days how come he can't get rid of cancer in people?
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
i asked this same thing when i went to sunday school. supposedly god knows us before we are ever born and knows everything we will ever do, and if god creates us then why create someone he KNOWS will do bad things??
my question was directed more at why does god allow kids to be molested and my teacher told me how do i know that by this 1 kid being molested it doesn't save 10 or even 100 kids from being molested?? when i asked why god needs to let ANY kids get molested i was told it is not our place to question god.... :roll:
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
my version of god is as follows: whatever "it" is cannot be explained by our little advanced-primate minds. Using words to describe god is like using a screwdriver to slice roast beef. "god" does not control people's actions or "evil"... people do. I think god is in everything... in you and me... in every living thing. god is the infinite, the timeless, the cosmic energy, the pleasure and pain, everything in some sense and NOTHING in some sense too. People have sensed a "presence" and all tribes and cultures have a different story to tell about god or gods... but most of the stories share a same message when broken down.
I also have a weird feeling that god is a prankster.
just my opinion, and I am probably (like 99.9999999%) wrong.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
my version of god is as follows: whatever "it" is cannot be explained by our little advanced-primate minds. Using words to describe god is like using a screwdriver to slice roast beef. "god" does not control people's actions or "evil"... people do. I think god is in everything... in you and me... in every living thing. god is the infinite, the timeless, the cosmic energy, the pleasure and pain, everything in some sense and NOTHING in some sense too. People have sensed a "presence" and all tribes and cultures have a different story to tell about god or gods... but most of the stories share a same message when broken down.
I also have a weird feeling that god is a prankster.
just my opinion, and I am probably (like 99.9999999%) wrong.
what i don't get is if god is supposedly everything how can god be a male? and i agree, we can't comprehend what 'it' is. i always thought religions were basically the same with the same overall messages with the difference coming from their different cultures.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
my version of god is as follows: whatever "it" is cannot be explained by our little advanced-primate minds. Using words to describe god is like using a screwdriver to slice roast beef. "god" does not control people's actions or "evil"... people do. I think god is in everything... in you and me... in every living thing. god is the infinite, the timeless, the cosmic energy, the pleasure and pain, everything in some sense and NOTHING in some sense too. People have sensed a "presence" and all tribes and cultures have a different story to tell about god or gods... but most of the stories share a same message when broken down.
I also have a weird feeling that god is a prankster.
just my opinion, and I am probably (like 99.9999999%) wrong.
what i don't get is if god is supposedly everything how can god be a male? and i agree, we can't comprehend what 'it' is. i always thought religions were basically the same with the same overall messages with the difference coming from their different cultures.
i think it is ridiculous to think of "god" as a male. God is not an old man in the clouds... I don't think god has gender... if there is a god.
I don't know but I would be VERY surprised if I die and meet god at "pearly gates" and he is an old man.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
i asked this same thing when i went to sunday school. supposedly god knows us before we are ever born and knows everything we will ever do, and if god creates us then why create someone he KNOWS will do bad things??
my question was directed more at why does god allow kids to be molested and my teacher told me how do i know that by this 1 kid being molested it doesn't save 10 or even 100 kids from being molested?? when i asked why god needs to let ANY kids get molested i was told it is not our place to question god.... :roll:
Ugh. Or you either get the "god is testing us" answer.
Why can't people just accept the fact that we don't know all the questions in the universe? you can't just plug in God as the reason.
How'd the universe start? God made it.
Why did my grandfather get cancer? God is testing him.
Why can't penguins fly? God decided not to make them that way.
Maybe some things we JUST DON'T KNOW!
And then you're told not to question it...
my version of god is as follows: whatever "it" is cannot be explained by our little advanced-primate minds. Using words to describe god is like using a screwdriver to slice roast beef. "god" does not control people's actions or "evil"... people do. I think god is in everything... in you and me... in every living thing. god is the infinite, the timeless, the cosmic energy, the pleasure and pain, everything in some sense and NOTHING in some sense too. People have sensed a "presence" and all tribes and cultures have a different story to tell about god or gods... but most of the stories share a same message when broken down.
I also have a weird feeling that god is a prankster.
just my opinion, and I am probably (like 99.9999999%) wrong.
what i don't get is if god is supposedly everything how can god be a male? and i agree, we can't comprehend what 'it' is. i always thought religions were basically the same with the same overall messages with the difference coming from their different cultures.
i think it is ridiculous to think of "god" as a male. God is not an old man in the clouds... I don't think god has gender... if there is a god.
I don't know but I would be VERY surprised if I die and meet god at "pearly gates" and he is an old man.
Genesis 1 >>
King James Bible
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Genesis 1 >>
King James Bible
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
This just supports my contention that when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
like what I mean is, why worship something that apparently lets bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? sounds like an asshole to me. but if he's all good then are all those things good? and if he's all powerful then how come he can't get rid of the bad? if the man can make an entire universe in 6 days how come he can't get rid of cancer in people?
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday.
Science shows that the making of the universe didnt take six days. How do you know how long a day is to God compared to us? He isnt a man he is a deity. Cancer is a result of the fallen world which goes back to the parent just letting the kid off the hook for disobedience. He didnt originally make us to live in this fallen world. We chose to have this.
Who knows what God actually is we are told to look at him as a Father just as a father looks at his created offspring. The love we are supposed to have for our children reflect his love for us. This is where "father" comes from.
[Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday.
The parent/kid analogy doesnt work for one reason. Unlike parents God KNOWS exactly everything that will happen if he is really omniscient. If he isn't, than the analogy can make some sort of sense. But is he then God?
Science shows that the making of the universe didnt take six days. How do you know how long a day is to God compared to us? He isnt a man he is a deity. Cancer is a result of the fallen world which goes back to the parent just letting the kid off the hook for disobedience. He didnt originally make us to live in this fallen world. We chose to have this.
Or rather Eve apparently "decided" to have that. God made the punishment. He didn't outline beforehand other than "dont do that". The harshness of the punishment and for countless generations to come, well that's anger issues if you ask me. Or, this God image has it's roots in the hebrew paternalistic tradition where harsh heads of family ruled with an iron fist dishing out extreme punishment for disobedience to their elders... Obviously when God then is displeased he is MIGHTILY displeased, since he is the father of the fathers, the patriarch +1.
Who knows what God actually is we are told to look at him as a Father just as a father looks at his created offspring. The love we are supposed to have for our children reflect his love for us. This is where "father" comes from.
Again, unlike fathers he has full knowledge, and absolutely full power in determining events. Seeing as he knows how different people will act, why does he place them in situations where they will go against his will? There can't be any element of surprise for the one true god. Why then does he punish? Evrything does as he intends them to. Unless he isnt omnipotent after all.
This god-image does not at all correspond to what made the universe and everything. "God" must then be the underling of the real god. since he apparently can be surprised, things can happen against his will which he punishes after the fact. Punishment is the real example of essentially lack of power/control. You punish because there is nothing else you can do. As in the damage is done, you can't go back, but you can show your wrath as a deterrence for others who think of doing the same. When can god possibly have nothing left to do?
My conclusion is that the creating God is something different completely than the biblical one, or that God isn't all that he's made out to be lacking both omnipotence and omniscience. I prefer that God is something else.
Peace
Dan
"YOU [humans] NEED TO BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT AREN'T TRUE. HOW ELSE CAN THEY BECOME?" - Death
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
like what I mean is, why worship something that apparently lets bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people? sounds like an asshole to me. but if he's all good then are all those things good? and if he's all powerful then how come he can't get rid of the bad? if the man can make an entire universe in 6 days how come he can't get rid of cancer in people?
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday.
Science shows that the making of the universe didnt take six days. How do you know how long a day is to God compared to us? He isnt a man he is a deity. Cancer is a result of the fallen world which goes back to the parent just letting the kid off the hook for disobedience. He didnt originally make us to live in this fallen world. We chose to have this.
Who knows what God actually is we are told to look at him as a Father just as a father looks at his created offspring. The love we are supposed to have for our children reflect his love for us. This is where "father" comes from.
Ok so what about Haiti? They are a very religious country... what did the hundreds of thousands of people do to deserve "God"'s punishment?
Questions... So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created men and women and told them to be fruitful and multiply. So, what's the deal with Eve? Why was she created from Adam's rib?
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And if God is perfect and know the beginning and the end and everything in between... why the heck did He place the Tree of the fruit of knowledge in the middle of Eden??? If the fruit was forbidden.. why did He make it... and moreover, why didn't He plant it in the middle of the amazon forrest, an ocean away from Eden?
This makes it sound like God just wants to fuck with us... so He can kick our asses. Sounds kind of like an asshole, to me.
I ain't buying it. I don't believe God is the prick the Bible paints Him as... He is better than that.
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Science is a learning experience... no one says we know all there is to know. Science is not a fixed state. New discoveries will bring up new possibilities, raise new questions.
That is different from religion. Religion does not change. When religion ruled law... science was explained from a viewpoint of religion. That is how the Earth (Man) got placed at the center of the Universe with the sun revolving around the Earth. Because Man was the center of God's focus. To say otherwise, was risking death. Religion does not change unless change is thrust upon it... such as when Copernicus used scientific methodology to describe the heliocentric solar system. Man was no longer the center of God's creation. When Martin Luther forced change and stood against the Roman Catholic Church to set off the Protestant reformist view of Christianity. Religion did not change on its own. The Bible is not open to new chapters, amendments or addendums. It is a fixed state.
And read the things in here... I am saying I know that I don't know, while others say they know all there is to know, regarding God and this life. The reason why I doubt that claim is because I do not have faith in the Roman Catholic Church... who pretty much have the Bible in its sole possession from about 400 to the 1500s. The Roman Catholic Church defined what the Bible should be. I don't trust the Roman Catholic Church or its Pope and Bishops... so, it is difficult for me to proclaim the bible as the absolute truth. I'm not saying it is or it isn't... i'm saying I don't know... but, from what I gather, I cannot trust the authority of the church.
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So, I understand your position on faith in science... but, please, try to understand... to me... science is not my religion. Science is a more methodical explanation of the nature of things and the explanation presented to me by religion. I can place my faith in the scientific method... and still have a spiritual belief in God. The biggest difference being, the God I believe in is not the God that religion paints Him.
Am I wrong or am i right? I don't know.
Hail, Hail!!!
Remove religion completely. God the father sent and spoke through Jesus and several other men through visions to compile the bible. The roman catholic church can be considered evil. Power and control by men are not of God. You + the bible + prayer through the spirit are all a person needs to see the nature of God and what he wants of us. We know that men are evil. We know they screw up what God intended but the three things I listed above are all you should use to base your opinion of God on. Not other men's faults. God spoke, used visions and interventions at times through history when he was making amendments to his word. His word is complete which is why humans haven't experienced any direct wonders from him. The end of another age could very well be upon us and everyone knows the story of Jesus. The story has been told, it's your choice to head Gods way or the earthy father from bellows way.
Doesn't everyone get it by now. The bible is true because the bible says it is. You guys are sooo thick sometimes it blows my mind.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
I don't know... but, from what I can gather... you just described religion (Christianity, to be specific).
The methodolgy I would need to employ would be to:
1. Accept the Bible as the true word of God... and release my feelings towards the Holy Roman Church of 400 to 1500 A.D. having sole custody of the book.
2. Pray through Jesus Christ and accept Him as my conduit to God... because Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit are One.
Yeah.. sounds like Christianity to me... and at last check, Christianity is still a religion.
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And it is not of my opinion that all men are evil. Imperfect, fucked up, poor decision makers (at times), but not all people strive to impose evil on their neighbors. And yes, there are sociopaths out there that have no remorse... but, they are the exception, not the rule. I would have to believe I was an evil person who needs to have Biblical Commandments to keep me from killing people, stealing their stuff or coveting their ox's and asses. It is the human in me that knows these things are wrong. That would be something else I would need to do.
All of this just raises too many questions (that have gone unanswerd to me for decades) for me. I'm going to let the humanity in me guide me through this journey.
Hail, Hail!!!
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That really is a nice ox, though. I wish it was mine...oh crap.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
:evil: :evil: :evil: BLASPHEMER!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
all the while serial killers go on living a healthy life?
How can he let people steal babies in Uganda and allow the rich to slice them open and use their organs for witchcraft?
I find this unbelievable.
?????? ....
Godfather.
Let me try this one...
The people that get killed/raped/harvested, etc. have not accepted Jesus into their hearts. Once you accept Jesus into your heart everything is wonderful and all your prayers are answered and you never get hurt.
You obviously haven't read the bible. Once you read it your life will be transformed.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
how is that merciful. why is your god so kind to the unthankful and evil?
Blame Satan
want to be enlightened"
Could the Christian god snap his fingers and make Satan disappear?
If the answer is 'no', then that is one weak ass god. And if the answer is 'yes', then that is one evil fucking god.
I think it's time to kill this thread.
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i've actually wanted to read the bible just never found the time.
you know, the old, can God make a soup so hot he can't eat it?
i asked this same thing when i went to sunday school. supposedly god knows us before we are ever born and knows everything we will ever do, and if god creates us then why create someone he KNOWS will do bad things??
my question was directed more at why does god allow kids to be molested and my teacher told me how do i know that by this 1 kid being molested it doesn't save 10 or even 100 kids from being molested?? when i asked why god needs to let ANY kids get molested i was told it is not our place to question god.... :roll:
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I also have a weird feeling that god is a prankster.
just my opinion, and I am probably (like 99.9999999%) wrong.
what i don't get is if god is supposedly everything how can god be a male? and i agree, we can't comprehend what 'it' is. i always thought religions were basically the same with the same overall messages with the difference coming from their different cultures.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i think it is ridiculous to think of "god" as a male. God is not an old man in the clouds... I don't think god has gender... if there is a god.
I don't know but I would be VERY surprised if I die and meet god at "pearly gates" and he is an old man.
Ugh. Or you either get the "god is testing us" answer.
Why can't people just accept the fact that we don't know all the questions in the universe? you can't just plug in God as the reason.
How'd the universe start? God made it.
Why did my grandfather get cancer? God is testing him.
Why can't penguins fly? God decided not to make them that way.
Maybe some things we JUST DON'T KNOW!
And then you're told not to question it...
King James Bible
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: 15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, 18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. 19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
want to be enlightened"
Is this from the Onion?
Those guys are good.
silly silly god
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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This just supports my contention that when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases.
Its like a parent not being able to just let their kid get away with doing something wrong. Punishment and suffering are needed to see the fault in ones ways. He can and will get rid of the bad... someday.
Science shows that the making of the universe didnt take six days. How do you know how long a day is to God compared to us? He isnt a man he is a deity. Cancer is a result of the fallen world which goes back to the parent just letting the kid off the hook for disobedience. He didnt originally make us to live in this fallen world. We chose to have this.
Who knows what God actually is we are told to look at him as a Father just as a father looks at his created offspring. The love we are supposed to have for our children reflect his love for us. This is where "father" comes from.
Or rather Eve apparently "decided" to have that. God made the punishment. He didn't outline beforehand other than "dont do that". The harshness of the punishment and for countless generations to come, well that's anger issues if you ask me. Or, this God image has it's roots in the hebrew paternalistic tradition where harsh heads of family ruled with an iron fist dishing out extreme punishment for disobedience to their elders... Obviously when God then is displeased he is MIGHTILY displeased, since he is the father of the fathers, the patriarch +1.
Again, unlike fathers he has full knowledge, and absolutely full power in determining events. Seeing as he knows how different people will act, why does he place them in situations where they will go against his will? There can't be any element of surprise for the one true god. Why then does he punish? Evrything does as he intends them to. Unless he isnt omnipotent after all.
This god-image does not at all correspond to what made the universe and everything. "God" must then be the underling of the real god. since he apparently can be surprised, things can happen against his will which he punishes after the fact. Punishment is the real example of essentially lack of power/control. You punish because there is nothing else you can do. As in the damage is done, you can't go back, but you can show your wrath as a deterrence for others who think of doing the same. When can god possibly have nothing left to do?
My conclusion is that the creating God is something different completely than the biblical one, or that God isn't all that he's made out to be lacking both omnipotence and omniscience. I prefer that God is something else.
Peace
Dan
"Every judgment teeters on the brink of error. To claim absolute knowledge is to become monstrous. Knowledge is an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty." - Frank Herbert, Dune, 1965
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God created men and women and told them to be fruitful and multiply. So, what's the deal with Eve? Why was she created from Adam's rib?
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And if God is perfect and know the beginning and the end and everything in between... why the heck did He place the Tree of the fruit of knowledge in the middle of Eden??? If the fruit was forbidden.. why did He make it... and moreover, why didn't He plant it in the middle of the amazon forrest, an ocean away from Eden?
This makes it sound like God just wants to fuck with us... so He can kick our asses. Sounds kind of like an asshole, to me.
I ain't buying it. I don't believe God is the prick the Bible paints Him as... He is better than that.
Hail, Hail!!!