Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

pdalowsky · July 2008

one of the most stupid message threads I've ever read......your sentiment is fair comment, but for the love of god, change the title of your thread.

Fahka · July 2008

I just don't understand why he feels the need to justify his actions. Its their show.. they are entitled to do as they wish. I think its pretty cool. Least they care enough about us to not see us get mixed up in this whole mess? Scary times man.... (believe me , the military is a fucked up world despite what good it has done)

manipulatedliving · July 2008

As I service member, I may not agree with everything the military is, and I sure as hell don't agree with the war or my commander in chief, but I also don't believe that it is the place of a military recruiter to be placed in a concert...I mean, it's just not the time or place, it's not proper. But most of the time, recruiters are told by their chain of command where they have to recruit at, so it's most likely not the recruiter himself that decided to try and recruit at a pj show, but then again, when they are told to recruit in schools, most of them don't believe that's the right place to be either...but it gets people recruited, and that's all that matters to the khakis (upper chain of command)

Fahka · July 2008

oh and i forgot to mention how stupid and misleading the title of this thread is ..

Sheesh, i'm not the ed police but give the guy a break..

smile05 · July 2008

Bush is only keeping the war going to piss Eddie off, petrol prices will drop when Eddie stops ranting!!!!! ha ha

mozetti · July 2008

I didn't read the whole thread, just the first post. So, this is directed at him.

If you think that keeping recruiters away from concerts is going to stop people from joining the services, you're delusional.

If someone wants to join, they will. In reality, the likelihood that someone would have joined the military if only there were a recruiter at the concert is slim to none.

Get a grip.

Heineken Helen · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

I know I will probably receive some slack for this but it been on my mind for a few days so here it goes. A few days ago i got the Mansfield 2(great show!). I found what Ed said after whipping to be a bit out of line and it sort of pissed me off. If you do know what he said here is a abbreviated summary. After rocking out whipping he talks about a marine recruiting person being at the first Mansfield show. He then states how some of his best friends are marines and ex-marines and how he supports their work. He goes on to say that he has a relationship with the people there to see the gig and he felt that the marine recruiter there was trying to get them to "bite a poison apple" and "these are our people and we're trying to take care of them", "so there is no marine recruiting center out there, its gone". Ok now I am sure theres a good chance that the marines where not going to get anyone to sign up for the marines at a Pearl Jam concert but what was the harm in having them there? Its those marines and other armed forces branches that fight and die so that Ed can verbally criticize the leaders of the country he lives in. Go to Iran Ed and say some shit about their leaders in front of 15,000 of their citizens, see how that works out for ya. Its those great people that helped rescues victims of hurricane Katrina. Its those great people that keep our country safe ect ect. Now why would Ed want to prevent people from signing up for the marines? (no matter how small the contribution) The armed forces of today rely on future personnel to relieve them in time of war and relief, learn new things and ways to aid them in future conflicts, and to make them more stronger and safer in the numbers ect. Low recruiting numbers effect the troops of today in a very negative way and it angers me Ed contributes to that. Its like we should all thank him for the marine recruiter removal because we all agree with what Eddie thinks. Are there really that many puppets at the shows that Eddie can assume we all wanted the removal? If he felt that bad about a recruiter being there, fine, have them removed for the 2nd show, but dont announce it and assume we all think your a hero for doing so. I think Ed needs to lay off the bottles of wine and watch what he says at shows. It may come back to him some day. I applaud and respect the men and women who want to join the armed forces. I hope the keep doing it, in great numbers. They are the only reason our country safe with leaders like this.

How would it come back to him some day?

You said he supports the work of the marines... perhaps he simply doesn't want more people being encouraged to sign up so they too can be sent away to die! Concerts, alcohol and recruitment do NOT go together. It's ridiculous.

Heineken Helen · July 2008

mfc22 wrote:

i hate the cause but love the troops.

Isn't Ed saying the same thing?

Heineken Helen · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

It really isn't making an immediate impact, but if more people thought like Ed it would. You don't see how lower troop numbers can make the US a more dangerous place? Another reason it make more of a danger is because here we have people making assumptions for us and it adds to the number of people who do not think for them selves. Thats how the leaders we have now get away with all the crap they do. And as for the UNAUTHORIZED SOLICITATION the band doesn't own the venue. It's not fear mongering just a discussion. Take care.

Ok, you don't seem to like the leaders... so why do you think giving them MORE troops to have at their disposal and send them off to whatever war they think is a good idea today a good thing?

vest71 · July 2008

No soldiers = No wars

Heineken Helen · July 2008

vest71 wrote:

No soldiers = No wars

Exactly! It's pretty simple really. These fuckers can't go creating wars if they've nobody else to fight them for them.

skyeriverwinter · July 2008

People need to relax a little on Ed. He speaks his opinion like everyone else. The only difference is the size of his circle of friends. If I was hanging out with my friends in a party like atmosphere and a recruiter came around I don't think my words would have been as gentle or as kind. I have great compassion for the young men and women who were mislead into signing up to go to THIS war. I don't think I am against ALL wars... but this one ...I don't know. The puzzle pieces Mr. Bush put in front of me don't seem to fit. Others may not have a problem smashing the pieces together, it just doesn't work for me. I love Ed for his unabashed opinions, I may not always agree (wait...yes I do) but I think he holds his head high and stays true to his beliefs. You honestly can't fault a man for that! DON'T WORRY ED... I LOVE YOU!!!!

Hinny · July 2008

Straws. Over there. Must clutch at it. Can't reach. Must. Clutch. Harder.

How you get from the point about an Ed speech in the middle of a show and your country being at a greater threat, this kind of logic is just so absurd, it parodies itself.

gibbits · July 2008

Vedder316 wrote:

You don't see how lower troop numbers can make the US a more dangerous place?

No sir, but I do see how being recruited to become a trained killer could make your country a more dangerous place.

inmytree · July 2008

damn it...I'm scared now...

Looks like I have to dig out the duck tape and plastic...

HermanBloom · July 2008

Ed's political views are just about wrong on every front; it's just something I have to grin and bear. NO MORE sucks. He's getting more and more off the deep and an I have a feeling the rest of the band do not feel as strongly with him and probably disagree with a lot. He needs to stop reading the New York Times and moveon.org and other smear sites that spew nothing but lies and hate.

skyeriverwinter · July 2008

nathanastin wrote:

Ed's political views are just about wrong on every front; it's just something I have to grin and bear. NO MORE sucks. He's getting more and more off the deep and an I have a feeling the rest of the band do not feel as strongly with him and probably disagree with a lot. He needs to stop reading the New York Times and moveon.org and other smear sites that spew nothing but lies and hate.

LMAO!!!!!

notradebaxx · July 2008

I admit when I walked into the venue I had to do a double take that the station was even there, I was kind of surprised, plus it was making the "Pearl Jam brought to you by Verizon" tent look bad......

What I thought was messed up is that there is a lot of people getting beyond Vedder wasted in the parking lot then stumbling in and there is the recruiting station....I wonder how many people signed up at the Godsmack show??

billybob7088 · July 2008

ajedigecko wrote:

all due respect......and i am making a guess. i would venture to say that the recuiter simply dislikes pearl jam and this was his way of displaying his discourse. i may be horribly incorrect though. it just seems to be the only logical reason.
has anyone witnessed the same activity at any other "anti-war" music bands?

My bet is that the recuiter had no idea what or who was Pearl Jam. If he did he would know most of the fans are over the age of 30 now. Well above the prime age to recruit a Marine.

billybob7088 · July 2008

nathanastin wrote:

Ed's political views are just about wrong on every front; it's just something I have to grin and bear. NO MORE sucks. He's getting more and more off the deep and an I have a feeling the rest of the band do not feel as strongly with him and probably disagree with a lot. He needs to stop reading the New York Times and moveon.org and other smear sites that spew nothing but lies and hate.

Dude you need to stop watching FOX news.

Ed making the U.S a more dangerous place for you and I

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