Apparently I'm the only one that read this above quote. Unless she wears high heels and a skirt to take out the trash, I'm guessing she was dressed comfortably. And even if she was dressed "provocatively" (whatever that even is) it still is never a reason. WTF is wrong with some of these fucks on here?!?!?
She was wearing low rise tight sweat pants, with her Thong showing, and a tight low cut shirt with a bright pink wonder bra that could be seen through the shirt.
She was wearing low rise tight sweat pants, with her Thong showing, and a tight low cut shirt with a bright pink wonder bra that could be seen through the shirt.
Tish - sorry to hear all this happened to you. At least you were well equipped to kick some ass with all the practice you had with MCKB and FP!!!
(sorry, just trying to give you a smile)
totally. "No" should be the end of it. like the others said, off home to do whatever it is you need to do, but on your own. or with porn, or with someone who's cool with it. or whatever floats ur boat......
this is true. but here is what i've been trying to say.
this guy was in the wrong AFTER she said no. AAAAFFFFTTTEEERRRR she said no. not before. after. the second she said no and he kept on, he became the wrong guy.
however, everything before that was innocent. and in that case, she made as many decisions and actions as he did. she invited a strange man over to her house on a cold and lonely night and dressed sexy for it. everything in here points to her wanting to fool around and he picked up on it. and there is nothing wrong with that. there's not a woman in here who wouldn't flip the fuck out if i was sending a girl flowers at work and whisking her out for romantic dinners while fucking dozens of girls on the side... becos my actions towards that girl say things even if my words are neutral. they would feel i wa lying to and deceiving said girl on the basis of my actions. same thing here, all signs pointed to "let's get it on." maybe she wanted to but changed her mind, or maybe she never did. but he is perfectly reasonable for thinking that's what she wanted.
regardless of her motives, the second she said no, he should have stopped. period. that is when he becomes culpable and his actions are wrong. up to then, he is utterly reasonable and behaving like anyone else might, and she is a willing and active participant in things. it is only after she says no that he should or is even capable of realizing his perceptions were wrong. she did not ask for harassment or rape. but she did invite him making a move. once he did and was shot down, he should have packed up and left becos harassment is not what she asked for. but to say there is nothing in this scenario that could possibly be interpreted as maybe she wanted to have a little fun is ridiculous. im sorry it got out of hand, but it was not until the guy disregarded her saying no that he became a bad guy. up until then, he was only reacting to what she was saying and doing.
this is true. but here is what i've been trying to say.
this guy was in the wrong AFTER she said no. AAAAFFFFTTTEEERRRR she said no. not before. after. the second she said no and he kept on, he became the wrong guy.
..eh i dont know if my posts have been confusing but what you wrote is my opinion on the whole thing. totally 100% agree. nothing wrong happened until she said no....im re-reading my posts just in case ive made a huge typo or somethng...
as for her making as many incorrect decisions as he did before hand well yeah, totally. she took a risk and got a shock from it. think were making the same point in diff words...
oh yes, I understand completely that I have to wait for the green man when I'm crossing the road. I understand that if I see a snake I probably should not approach it. I know I should wear my seatbelt. Yep, I'm quite common sensical... but don't expect me to take the blame for somebody ELSE being a fuckhead... cos there's no chance in hell that's gonna happen. What I've learned is you can be as safe as you fucking like and it can still happen. You can walk through a dark alley every night and nothing happen. So fuck having to worry about it! In my situation I felt perfectly 100% safe and it never even entered my head that something could happen. He was a friend and I'll be fucked if that means I can't be alone in a room with a guy cos that's just ridiculous... and in my case, that's where I 'went wrong'. That's all I did.
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Apparently I'm the only one that read this above quote. Unless she wears high heels and a skirt to take out the trash, I'm guessing she was dressed comfortably. And even if she was dressed "provocatively" (whatever that even is) it still is never a reason. WTF is wrong with some of these fucks on here?!?!?
im not guessing that. becos she first tries to say it doesnt matter. that's a dodgy answer and i get the feeling she knows she was dressed up to look attractive. no, it is not a reason for him to harass her after she says no. but it is a reason for him to think maybe she wanted to fool around and make a move. he was not doing anything wrong until she said no and he ignored it.
unless you're one of those people who thinks it's real romantic to begin a make out session with "ma'am, you are dressed very attractively tonight, and i must admit, you are causing blood to reform in my body and produce an erection. by your invitation here and your enticing choice of clothing, i cannot help but think you may enjoy some frisky behavior this evening, which i would be happy to provide. i was wondering, with all due respect, if perhaps you might be interested in a little kissing to get things rolling? i have my attorney here with me, and should we decide to pursue further physical interactions, he can draw up a consent form at a moment's notice. i would love to have your signature, becos i know i would be a sexist pig to ever use your actions and body language as some sort of indicator of interest. besides, what could be more erotic foreplay than a legal contract securing some heavy petting?"
she invited a strange man over to her house on a cold and lonely night and dressed sexy for it. everything in here points to her wanting to fool around and he picked up on it.
Are you flipping back and forth from the penthouse forum and here?!?!? Where is anything pointing to anything but poor judgement here? Everything points to her wanting to fool around?!?!? Maybe if YOU invited a girl over to watch movies that would be YOUR intention, but how does it make it everyones? When you do pass the bar and start trying cases I hope the "Look what she was wearing" defense isn't in your arsenal of creating reasonable doubt!
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
but to say there is nothing in this scenario that could possibly be interpreted as maybe she wanted to have a little fun is ridiculous. im sorry it got out of hand, but it was not until the guy disregarded her saying no that he became a bad guy. up until then, he was only reacting to what she was saying and doing.
i was never trying to say there was nothing in the scenario. in fact it sounded exactly like she wanted a little fun, and like you said, things changed after that for whatever reason and then there was a problem.
im not guessing that. becos she first tries to say it doesnt matter. that's a dodgy answer and i get the feeling she knows she was dressed up to look attractive. no, it is not a reason for him to harass her after she says no. but it is a reason for him to think maybe she wanted to fool around and make a move. he was not doing anything wrong until she said no and he ignored it.
unless you're one of those people who thinks it's real romantic to begin a make out session with "ma'am, you are dressed very attractively tonight, and i must admit, you are causing blood to reform in my body and produce an erection. by your invitation here and your enticing choice of clothing, i cannot help but think you may enjoy some frisky behavior this evening, which i would be happy to provide. i was wondering, with all due respect, if perhaps you might be interested in a little kissing to get things rolling? i have my attorney here with me, and should we decide to pursue further physical interactions, he can draw up a consent form at a moment's notice. i would love to have your signature, becos i know i would be a sexist pig to ever use your actions and body language as some sort of indicator of interest. besides, what could be more erotic foreplay than a legal contract securing some heavy petting?"
me and Inhiding_79 started whole new thread in here
hello my kinky sis
nah, you see i like to pull his hair, but i really hate if someone does this to me.
but as i said i don't mind little bit of a wrestling match it sure does spices up a love life
wrestling is fun, but we all know what happens next! (Sexy time) SO yes, I guess I am a bit kinky and I dress in my school girl outfit when I feel it, so my husband knows what's up...hehehe
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
"i have my attorney here with me, and should we decide to pursue further physical interactions, he can draw up a consent form at a moment's notice. i would love to have your signature, becos i know i would be a sexist pig to ever use your actions and body language as some sort of indicator of interest. besides, what could be more erotic foreplay than a legal contract securing some heavy petting?"
wrestling is fun, but we all know what happens next! (Sexy time) SO yes, I guess I am a bit kinky and I dress in my school girl outfit when I feel it, so my husband knows what's up...hehehe
my wife is dark complected and can pull off the Hispanic maid perfectly....accent and all.
Are you flipping back and forth from the penthouse forum and here?!?!? Where is anything pointing to anything but poor judgement here? Everything points to her wanting to fool around?!?!? Maybe if YOU invited a girl over to watch movies that would be YOUR intention, but how does it make it everyones? When you do pass the bar and start trying cases I hope the "Look what she was wearing" defense isn't in your arsenal of creating reasonable doubt!
look what she was wearing is barred by the federal rules of evidence. it is not a defense. read my post above. that does not mean he should have gotten her to sign a legal consent form before he tried to kiss her. it is utterly reasonable for him to have thought she wanted to fool around. period. none of his behavior was horrible or extraordinary until AFTER she said no. if she had not said no and had gone for it and loved it, you'd all be here congratulating her on seducing him or him on taking the plunge and going for it. the only thing that changes this from being a steamy one night stand to sexual harassment is her saying no. prior to that, yes, all of her decisions make his reaction reasonable. that does not in any way excuse his behavior after she said no. but it does not make the fact that he thought she might want to fool around some sort of sex crime. it does not make him trying to kiss her a sex crime. he was reasonable in reading the situation and thinking "let's give it a shot." then she said no. it should have stopped there. it didnt. and THAT is why he was wrong. not becos he judged her invitation and clothing to be an appeal to fool around. but becos he wouldnt stop after she asked him. making a mistake in perception is NOT a crime. continuing with that course of action after being informed that your perception is mistaken IS a crime.
wrestling is fun, but we all know what happens next! (Sexy time) SO yes, I guess I am a bit kinky and I dress in my school girl outfit when I feel it, so my husband knows what's up...hehehe
i will never forgive my gf for having gotten rid of hers. but hers wasn't hot anyway. i think she was the class prude... skirt's way longer than the ones they wore at my school :(
look what she was wearing is barred by the federal rules of evidence. it is not a defense. read my post above. that does not mean he should have gotten her to sign a legal consent form before he tried to kiss her. it is utterly reasonable for him to have thought she wanted to fool around. period. none of his behavior was horrible or extraordinary until AFTER she said no. if she had not said no and had gone for it and loved it, you'd all be here congratulating her on seducing him or him on taking the plunge and going for it. the only thing that changes this from being a steamy one night stand to sexual harassment is her saying no. prior to that, yes, all of her decisions make his reaction reasonable. that does not in any way excuse his behavior after she said no. but it does not make the fact that he thought she might want to fool around some sort of sex crime. it does not make him trying to kiss her a sex crime. he was reasonable in reading the situation and thinking "let's give it a shot." then she said no. it should have stopped there. it didnt. and THAT is why he was wrong. not becos he judged her invitation and clothing to be an appeal to fool around. but becos he wouldnt stop after she asked him. making a mistake in perception is NOT a crime. continuing with that course of action after being informed that your perception is mistaken IS a crime.
I agree with most of what you are saying except for you extreme version of reaching for things that are not there. Unless the OP did some drastic editing, nowhere does it mention anything about kissing, making out, etc. Furthermore, she states that she was wearing old digs she wears around the house. Put aside your speculation about what did/did not happen and we are almost on the same page.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
would that have made you all happier with the situation? is this what the women around here want? becos god forbid a guy look at what she's saying, doing, and wearing to form impressions of her intentions towards him.
would that have made you all happier with the situation? is this what the women around here want? becos god forbid a guy look at what she's saying, doing, and wearing to form impressions of her intentions towards him.
If were posting youtube clips this seems appropriate:
I know you weren't speaking directly to me, but for the record I'm a guy.
what's your point? would the video i posted make you happy? we no longer would have to worry about the power of "suggestion" ever influencing sexual behavior again. it could always be nice and professional.
what's your point? would the video i posted make you happy? we no longer would have to worry about the power of "suggestion" ever influencing sexual behavior again. it could always be nice and professional.
Hang on, I didn't watch your video. Give me 5 minutes and I'll be back.
"The leads are weak!"
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
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She was wearing low rise tight sweat pants, with her Thong showing, and a tight low cut shirt with a bright pink wonder bra that could be seen through the shirt.
so fucking what?
you didn't think that sounded hot?
(sorry, just trying to give you a smile)
this is true. but here is what i've been trying to say.
this guy was in the wrong AFTER she said no. AAAAFFFFTTTEEERRRR she said no. not before. after. the second she said no and he kept on, he became the wrong guy.
however, everything before that was innocent. and in that case, she made as many decisions and actions as he did. she invited a strange man over to her house on a cold and lonely night and dressed sexy for it. everything in here points to her wanting to fool around and he picked up on it. and there is nothing wrong with that. there's not a woman in here who wouldn't flip the fuck out if i was sending a girl flowers at work and whisking her out for romantic dinners while fucking dozens of girls on the side... becos my actions towards that girl say things even if my words are neutral. they would feel i wa lying to and deceiving said girl on the basis of my actions. same thing here, all signs pointed to "let's get it on." maybe she wanted to but changed her mind, or maybe she never did. but he is perfectly reasonable for thinking that's what she wanted.
regardless of her motives, the second she said no, he should have stopped. period. that is when he becomes culpable and his actions are wrong. up to then, he is utterly reasonable and behaving like anyone else might, and she is a willing and active participant in things. it is only after she says no that he should or is even capable of realizing his perceptions were wrong. she did not ask for harassment or rape. but she did invite him making a move. once he did and was shot down, he should have packed up and left becos harassment is not what she asked for. but to say there is nothing in this scenario that could possibly be interpreted as maybe she wanted to have a little fun is ridiculous. im sorry it got out of hand, but it was not until the guy disregarded her saying no that he became a bad guy. up until then, he was only reacting to what she was saying and doing.
me and Inhiding_79 started whole new thread in here
hello my kinky sis
nah, you see i like to pull his hair, but i really hate if someone does this to me.
but as i said i don't mind little bit of a wrestling match
..eh i dont know if my posts have been confusing but what you wrote is my opinion on the whole thing. totally 100% agree. nothing wrong happened until she said no....im re-reading my posts just in case ive made a huge typo or somethng...
as for her making as many incorrect decisions as he did before hand well yeah, totally. she took a risk and got a shock from it. think were making the same point in diff words...
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im not guessing that. becos she first tries to say it doesnt matter. that's a dodgy answer and i get the feeling she knows she was dressed up to look attractive. no, it is not a reason for him to harass her after she says no. but it is a reason for him to think maybe she wanted to fool around and make a move. he was not doing anything wrong until she said no and he ignored it.
unless you're one of those people who thinks it's real romantic to begin a make out session with "ma'am, you are dressed very attractively tonight, and i must admit, you are causing blood to reform in my body and produce an erection. by your invitation here and your enticing choice of clothing, i cannot help but think you may enjoy some frisky behavior this evening, which i would be happy to provide. i was wondering, with all due respect, if perhaps you might be interested in a little kissing to get things rolling? i have my attorney here with me, and should we decide to pursue further physical interactions, he can draw up a consent form at a moment's notice. i would love to have your signature, becos i know i would be a sexist pig to ever use your actions and body language as some sort of indicator of interest. besides, what could be more erotic foreplay than a legal contract securing some heavy petting?"
Are you flipping back and forth from the penthouse forum and here?!?!? Where is anything pointing to anything but poor judgement here? Everything points to her wanting to fool around?!?!? Maybe if YOU invited a girl over to watch movies that would be YOUR intention, but how does it make it everyones? When you do pass the bar and start trying cases I hope the "Look what she was wearing" defense isn't in your arsenal of creating reasonable doubt!
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
i was never trying to say there was nothing in the scenario. in fact it sounded exactly like she wanted a little fun, and like you said, things changed after that for whatever reason and then there was a problem.
is it because i started talking about sexual stuff?
cause everything else seems just about right, this thread looks like the usual message pit conversation.
Didn't chappelle's show do something like that?
wrestling is fun, but we all know what happens next! (Sexy time) SO yes, I guess I am a bit kinky and I dress in my school girl outfit when I feel it, so my husband knows what's up...hehehe
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
HAHAH! thats pure class...
yep
It was great and so TRUE!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
That is some funny shit
my wife is dark complected and can pull off the Hispanic maid perfectly....accent and all.
look what she was wearing is barred by the federal rules of evidence. it is not a defense. read my post above. that does not mean he should have gotten her to sign a legal consent form before he tried to kiss her. it is utterly reasonable for him to have thought she wanted to fool around. period. none of his behavior was horrible or extraordinary until AFTER she said no. if she had not said no and had gone for it and loved it, you'd all be here congratulating her on seducing him or him on taking the plunge and going for it. the only thing that changes this from being a steamy one night stand to sexual harassment is her saying no. prior to that, yes, all of her decisions make his reaction reasonable. that does not in any way excuse his behavior after she said no. but it does not make the fact that he thought she might want to fool around some sort of sex crime. it does not make him trying to kiss her a sex crime. he was reasonable in reading the situation and thinking "let's give it a shot." then she said no. it should have stopped there. it didnt. and THAT is why he was wrong. not becos he judged her invitation and clothing to be an appeal to fool around. but becos he wouldnt stop after she asked him. making a mistake in perception is NOT a crime. continuing with that course of action after being informed that your perception is mistaken IS a crime.
sweet!! How nice for you!!
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
i will never forgive my gf for having gotten rid of hers. but hers wasn't hot anyway. i think she was the class prude... skirt's way longer than the ones they wore at my school :(
I agree with most of what you are saying except for you extreme version of reaching for things that are not there. Unless the OP did some drastic editing, nowhere does it mention anything about kissing, making out, etc. Furthermore, she states that she was wearing old digs she wears around the house. Put aside your speculation about what did/did not happen and we are almost on the same page.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
Her punishment for not having her Green Card, is my reward!
would that have made you all happier with the situation? is this what the women around here want? becos god forbid a guy look at what she's saying, doing, and wearing to form impressions of her intentions towards him.
If were posting youtube clips this seems appropriate:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU_UxHC-2o8
I know you weren't speaking directly to me, but for the record I'm a guy.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
oh dear...
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
what's your point? would the video i posted make you happy? we no longer would have to worry about the power of "suggestion" ever influencing sexual behavior again. it could always be nice and professional.
Hang on, I didn't watch your video. Give me 5 minutes and I'll be back.
"The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"
"What's your name?"
"FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"