Ed on religion

EvilRabbit · April 2008

Big Man wrote:

Yes, I read it and felt intelectually insulted. This guys talk is so cheap, it hurts. To be in need of spending more than a whole chapter to state that Einstein did not believe in God, shows alot of the limitations and desperation this man's mind has. It is simple minded, really, ( I guess thats whats needed to become a bestseller in America) There are way better books out there on atheism:

Dennet, Daniel C.: Breaking the spell. 2006
Harris, Sam: The end of faith. Religion, Terror and the future of Reason 2007
" " : Letter to a chrisian nation. A challenge to faith . 2007

And dont read this garbage:
Hitchens, Christopher: God is not great. How Religion poisons everything. 2007
This is hollywood style, polemic pure, really not worth the read.

I agree with you about Dawkins to a certain extent. But I disagree about Hitchens. While I don't agree with him on everything, esp. Iraq, I think he's incredibly intelligent and most of his arguments on faith are spot-on. Watch some of his debates on Youtube. He usually crushes his opponents.

otis mcfluster · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

I must admit I have said a few things that probably make me seem like a dick. Perhaps it's because I'm British too. If you guys knew me in real life though, even those of you who seem to loathe my viewpoint, you might actually think I was pretty cool. Or a douche. One of the two...

Reminds me of a great Mitch Hedberg joke.

"I used to be in a heavy metal band. People either loved us. Or they hated us...Or they thought we were OK."

EvilRabbit · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

agreed
America is on the brink of civil war, in my opinion. If the economy doesn't completely fall apart first.

That's the scariest thing I've read on here. That war won't get started by atheists though... "guaranteed."

U R A Crazy Breed · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

Listen, I'd be happy for you to believe whatever you want in the privacy of your own home. I really would. But religion seeps into everything, worldwide. It's why AIDs is so rampant in Africa, why stem-cell research is handcuffed in this country, why the Twin Towers are gone, why homosexuals are victims of hate crime, why Bush got into office, etc. etc.

My beliefs don't affect you. They are upsetting to you but they aren't affecting your world and how it is run. But if I'm truly free, let me conduct stem-cell research and let my gay friend do what he wants. Butt out (no pun intended).

And not once have I called you an "asshole." That's you, the Christian, using the term to describe me and a few others on here.

aids was man made and created in this country by your government,if you swallowed that story about some guy fucking a monkey you need to educate yourself.

the twin towers are gone because of certain greedy soulless scumbags in the united states government who want to usurp your freedom and turn this planet into a one world government tyrannical system.

it's not bible thumpers beating up homosexuals.homosexuals are victims of hate crimes because we are socially engineered to be violent and intolerable toward others. a perfect example would be,you bashing Christianity because you think you know better/more than us "believers".

and to think you can stick all the religious people of the world into one group is just as ridiculous as thinking you can stick all PJ fans in one group because we all may share the label of being a "PJ fan",it's quite obvious we have a wide range of views that vary greatly on all issues.

i didn't accuse you of calling me an asshole i accused you of acting like one.

Kertokovich · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Except with my way, there are no fears of a fiery pit of hell ,no false promises or exaggerated claims. No judgment unto others for praying to a different god, no bullshit. (and most importantly no early Sunday mornings!)

Amen, I have always loved LeatherMandi (just a cool fucking name). Thanks again for the affirmation.

Peace

We should all get high together.....just kidding.

jwillmo · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

I must admit I have said a few things that probably make me seem like a dick. Perhaps it's because I'm British too. If you guys knew me in real life though, even those of you who seem to loathe my viewpoint, you might actually think I was pretty cool. Or a douche. One of the two.

Sorry I sounded condescending but some of the things you said do make you seem to have a cool perspective which I can appreciate.

Atheists can come across as angry or dicks simply because we've sat back and watched the downside of religion get out of control in recent years. Look, in some states 80% of Christians voted for Bush in 2004 purely because of faith. A lot of people would still be alive, or at least happier, if that hadn't happened. Forgive me, I don't want this to get political as that will spawn another 20 pages even more off-topic...

Being a full-blooded American, I think it was just the wording "you seem like one of the cool ones", kinda sounds like a redneck saying it about a black person. But I get and appreciate what you were saying. As for being British, it's more the accent than anything else. When I hear Dawkins or Hitchens talk I just want to punch them in the fucking face, so I guess I'm kind of a dick too. Especially Hitchens, I think he's just riding the wave for publicity, as I said before, he STILL defends the war in Iraq. Although I loved his expose on Mother Theresa (the Missionary Position was at least one of the great titles I've ever seen) he seems to not be very well informed on just about anything he talks about.
Thanks for helping bring this back down to a civil discussion. But I really should get back to work now. Feel free to go off on any and all subjects, I won't try and police this thread anymore.

U R A Crazy Breed · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Except with my way, there are no fears of a fiery pit of hell ,no false promises or exaggerated claims. No judgment unto others for praying to a different god, no bullshit. (and most importantly no early Sunday mornings!)

you just made it painfully obvious you know jack squat about the gospel of Jesus.

seems to me you are the bandwagon type and not the let me find out for myself type. someone you are close to or admire thinks this way and you are parroting things to the point where you know not of what you speak.

I'm definitely not hearing the utterings of an educated opinion.

just biased nonsense.

Kertokovich · April 2008

Crazy Breed wrote:

you just made it painfully obvious you know jack squat about the gospel of Jesus.

seems to me you are the bandwagon type and not the let me find out for myself type. someone you are close to or admire thinks this way and you are parroting things to the point where you know not of what you speak.

I'm definitely not hearing the utterings of an educated opinion.

just biased nonsense.

Hey take it easy on LeatherMandi, don't be so judgemental, sounds like you have her life all figured out.

I like your name though as well, I keep seeing and singing that I hope you're not lonely without me.

Fahka · April 2008

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velogator · April 2008

Big Man wrote:

God is eternal. God is above the concept of time. And he is above our reason. If we let our hybris go, we dont need everything to be explained. That is were our faith can comes in. Do you believe science can answer everything? It is clear to me that the wolrd is absurd and the deepest truths are paradox. Only in trusting God can I cope with the world and feel free. I hope you will join us someday.

Richard Dawkins book 'The God delusion' is known, also by atheist intellectualls, as being a work of polemic. It is really weak. There are better atheist opinion than Dawkins.

I used to be a Christian - doesn't pass the laugh test anymore. Don't get me wrong, there are lots of great people whe are Christian...and lots who are not. "Faith" is not a reason to believe/relevent argument, it's an argument for those who have nothing else to argue - "Just believe because some guys 6,000 years ago said it is so" - doesnt' work. I believe that you believe and if it makes you feel better, I won't try to change you, but don't try to change me and please stop using religion ("You" being the plural you) to make public policy.

Me, I don't need "that" anymore to be truly happy. I like to live in the "Present Tense" :-). Oh, "I hope you'll join us" - line made famous by the man who said, "Imagine there's no religion, it's easy if you try". He's right.

U R A Crazy Breed · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Ok you sir/m'am.. are really starting to piss me the fuck off.

Educated opinion? You do realize we are talking about RELIGION. Which is just a bunch of theories and nonsense. I grew up in a very religious household, ive read the bible and it just was not for me. Ive looked into many religions and so far, none have been for me.

I find it very disturbing and down right arrogant of you to assume i know nothing about religion. Go ahead, quiz me Back up your notions, i dare you:)

i don't need to quiz you,your replies reveal all i need to know.

and you pissed me off quite a few posts ago so join the fucking club!!

But regardless of this conversation i don't dislike or think any less of you,and at this point i feel like we are just going in circles.so let's just agree to dis-agree and call it a day.

OK?

Fahka · April 2008

Crazy Breed wrote:

i don't need to quiz you,your replies reveal all i need to know.

and you pissed me off quite a few posts ago so join the fucking club!!

Go pray about it... pray that jesus takes your anger away and replaces it with happy fluffy bunnies.

A lil advice....Don't call people uneducated when you cannot back it up, it makes you look like an idiot. I may disagree with you but i have no right or place to tell you that YOU are uneducated. Nor do you. If you cant fight fair, don't fight at all.

velogator · April 2008

nathanastin wrote:

AIDS of because of religion; no, it's because people can't keep their dicks in their pants.

Is that why millions of childern in the African continenent have HIV/AIDS? Read a book.

brainofme · April 2008

well, this thread at least proved that "believers" and "non-belivers" are not as different as they'd like to think. we are all f***ed up, doesn't matter if we believe or not ;-)

PEACE, isn't that what we all long for?!

EvilRabbit · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Go pray about it... pray that jesus takes your anger away and replaces it with happy fluffy bunnies.

A lil advice....Don't call people uneducated when you cannot back it up, it makes you look like an idiot. I may disagree with you but i have no right or place to tell you that YOU are uneducated. Nor do you. If you cant fight fair, don't fight at all.

I like LeatherMandi.

Crazy Breed... you so crazy. You think the government created AIDs? Wow. I guess you will believe anything. You probably think David Copperfield is a wizard.

Oops, sorry. I'm being a douche again. I'll stop.

Kertokovich · April 2008

Crazy and Mandi, let us not get so worked up. Such hositility, rarely seen from the leather one.....ok I am now starting to sound like a crazy stalker. No worries just a boring day at work in Pearl Jamless TexASS.

Remember the heart not the brain thing, or don't.

Kertokovich · April 2008

EvilRabbit is one cool dude. If Pearl Jam ever comes back to Texass I would welcome you as my buddy.

Leather I guess you are much happier now that the band will be down inyour neck of the woods, our petition did not work for my part of the south though....not yet at least

U R A Crazy Breed · April 2008

LeatherMandi wrote:

Go pray about it... pray that jesus takes your anger away and replaces it with happy fluffy bunnies.

A lil advice....Don't call people uneducated when you cannot back it up, it makes you look like an idiot. I may disagree with you but i have no right or place to tell you that YOU are uneducated. Nor do you. If you cant fight fair, don't fight at all.

saying your opinion is uneducated is a lot different than saying a person is uneducated! big difference!!

what is there to back up? you are obviously set in your thinking so i doubt anything i say would have an effect on you.and i find it useless to play Bible trivia with you.

oh and contraire,your little pray jab makes you look like the idiot

EvilRabbit · April 2008

Oklahoma PJ Fan wrote:

EvilRabbit is one cool dude. If Pearl Jam ever comes back to Texass I would welcome you as my buddy.

Leather I guess you are much happier now that the band will be down inyour neck of the woods, our petition did not work for my part of the south though....not yet at least

Thank you. I was starting to feel very alone and was quietly weeping.

That's weeping, not weeing.

U R A Crazy Breed · April 2008

EvilRabbit wrote:

I like LeatherMandi.

Crazy Breed... you so crazy. You think the government created AIDs?

you are seriously lacking truth!!

google "aids man made" maybe you'll learn something.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1597.shtml

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