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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    its not bullshit.., dude. :rolleyes: for me tis akin to people who pass you in the street who say hi how are you? they don't really want to know how you are, they say it purely on reflex. if i told people how i felt they'd run a mile and call the appropriate authorities. how can it be a amrl of respect from a stranger? they dont know me? i do believe to truly repsect someone you must actually know them personally or by reputation at the least. you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect. let alone me blseeing tem or holding a door open for them.
    and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
    i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.
    I hope to god or nature or whathaveyou that I never, ever, ever get that fucking cynical.
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    jwillmo wrote:
    Gee I don't know.. The Fucking Music?

    Sorry to jump back in, I swore I was done with this one but couldn't let that pass.


    WHY???? WHY do I come here???? There are more rude, sarcastic comments on the Porch than The Train even! :rolleyes: It was a simple question, there's really no need to get uptight about it. If you can't answer civilly then don't bother.

    Just for the record I like gospel music but hell would freeze over before you'd find me in a church listening to the choir. They got their own thing going on and I sure wouldn't be rocking on in criticizing them. Seems to me if you don't like the opinion of the performer and you think the crowd suck then you might as well stay at home.
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    Jeanie wrote:
    WHY???? WHY do I come here???? There are more rude, sarcastic comments on the Porch than The Train even! :rolleyes: It was a simple question, there's really no need to get uptight about it. If you can't answer civilly then don't bother.

    Just for the record I like gospel music but hell would freeze over before you'd find me in a church listening to the choir. They got their own thing going on and I sure wouldn't be rocking on in criticizing them. Seems to me if you don't like the opinion of the performer and you think the crowd suck then you might as well stay at home.
    Easy, there. I'm just saying that if I based the live music I see on whether or not I agreed with the singer's politics or whether or not there were any idiots in the audience, I would never see another show again, and that would suck. Some people listen to Pearl Jam because they actually like the music, nothing more and nothing less. It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was shock that someone wouldn't realize that. Sorry.
  • its not bullshit.., dude. :rolleyes: for me tis akin to people who pass you in the street who say hi how are you? they don't really want to know how you are, they say it purely on reflex. if i told people how i felt they'd run a mile and call the appropriate authorities. how can it be a amrl of respect from a stranger? they dont know me? i do believe to truly repsect someone you must actually know them personally or by reputation at the least. you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect. let alone me blseeing tem or holding a door open for them.
    and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
    i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.


    all i'm saying is the world becomes a better place when people don't have to be friends to fucking respect or be KIND to each other!!

    maybe you should wear a sign around your neck that say "I am an atheist,fuck off" so we will know not to offend you with our politeness.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    all i'm saying is the world becomes a better place when people don't have to be friends to fucking respect or be KIND to each other!!

    maybe you should wear a sign around your neck that say "I am an atheist,fuck off" so we will know not to offend you with our politeness.

    no what i should do it fucking kill myself and then i wont have to deal with people. i am a misanthrope. i cant deal with people. i dont want them in my space. ive tried. but as much as i try i end up hating myself. im not disrespectful. if you knew me you'd understand that.
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  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    jwillmo wrote:
    Easy, there. I'm just saying that if I based the live music I see on whether or not I agreed with the singer's politics or whether or not there were any idiots in the audience, I would never see another show again, and that would suck. Some people listen to Pearl Jam because they actually like the music, nothing more and nothing less. It wasn't so much sarcasm as it was shock that someone wouldn't realize that. Sorry.

    No worries. :) I guess I just don't understand why people aren't already well versed in Ed's opinions. The man is opinionated. He's an activist. This website and many others, plenty of media over the years have provided a soapbox for Ed's opinions and you've only got to spend 2 seconds on the porch to know that people idolize the man. So none of it is new information. So I guess what I'm not getting is, given that this information is readily available, has been established fact for many years, IF a person takes issue with the views of Ed and the views of the fans but they still like the music enough to want to see the concert then how hard is it to go knowing full well what it will most likely be like and not come home bitching like a baby because things didn't turn out as preferred? I just think it's poor form.
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  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    and btw i hold the door open for ANYONE who is within space enough to take advantage of my pause. it matters not if they are a guy or a girl. it has nothing to do with chivalry. if someone held the door open for me be they male or female i certainly would not be rude. i may utter a thanks, i may not.
    i do not see it as disrespectful that i dont offer a thanks to someone who blesses me in ignorance. the fact that i do not chastise them is enough respect as far as im concerned. i do not belittle them nor draw attention to the blessing. i did not ask for it, so why should i compromise myself in saying thank you or whatever it is you people expect of me, if it is counter to my beliefs. i mean shit sometimes i even smile to show im not truly offended, even though blessing is not something i am comfortable with. so just back the fuck off and save the blessing for people you know are believers.

    glad you decided to elaborate on the whole opening doors thing. i feel the same way, makes no difference if male or female. it's just a nice (not fake), simple, HUMAN gesture that is second nature to me. same goes if someone is sneezing their brains out around me and me saying 'bless you', etc. has absolutely NOTHING to do with anything religious. and i certainly don't expect someone to thank me for doing either of those, it's just me being me.
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    Jeanie wrote:
    No worries. :) I guess I just don't understand why people aren't already well versed in Ed's opinions. The man is opinionated. He's an activist. This website and many others, plenty of media over the years have provided a soapbox for Ed's opinions and you've only got to spend 2 seconds on the porch to know that people idolize the man. So none of it is new information. So I guess what I'm not getting is, given that this information is readily available, has been established fact for many years, IF a person takes issue with the views of Ed and the views of the fans but they still like the music enough to want to see the concert then how hard is it to go knowing full well what it will most likely be like and not come home bitching like a baby because things didn't turn out as preferred? I just think it's poor form.
    I don't know, I thought the original post didn't seem "bitchy," I thought it was actually bringing up some valid points and was trying to have an intelligent discussion about the inherent irony of people blindly following Ed while he talks about blindly following people. Of course, 90% of this thread has had absolutely nothing to do with that. :)

    And catefrances, as antagonistic as this has been, your "killing yourself" comment, whether it was a joke or not, is really fucking frightening. Not to sound condescending, but I really hope you can do something about that. I mean, I think people suck as much as the next guy, but automatically assuming the worst about people just because you don't know them is the kind of mentality that leads to things like the war in Iraq (They's all Muslims! Kill em All!) If it's not God, I certainly hope you can find peace in SOMETHING.
  • no what i should do it fucking kill myself and then i wont have to deal with people. i am a misanthrope. i cant deal with people. i dont want them in my space. ive tried. but as much as i try i end up hating myself. im not disrespectful. if you knew me you'd understand that.


    wow,chill dude! we don't have to go there. and if that's the case i understand why you think the way you do.

    God bless...i mean,TAKE CARE! :D (just fuck'n with ya)
  • JeanieJeanie Posts: 9,446
    jwillmo wrote:
    I don't know, I thought the original post didn't seem "bitchy," I thought it was actually bringing up some valid points and was trying to have an intelligent discussion about the inherent irony of people blindly following Ed while he talks about blindly following people. Of course, 90% of this thread has had absolutely nothing to do with that. :)

    And catefrances, as antagonistic as this has been, your "killing yourself" comment, whether it was a joke or not, is really fucking frightening. Not to sound condescending, but I really hope you can do something about that. I mean, I think people suck as much as the next guy, but automatically assuming the worst about people just because you don't know them is the kind of mentality that leads to things like the war in Iraq (They's all Muslims! Kill em All!) If it's not God, I certainly hope you can find peace in SOMETHING.

    Fair enough but I kinda viewed it the same as if I'd gone to church to listen to the gospel music and then come home whining because the people there were religious, kept talking about god and everyone was having a collective hallelujah moment over the preacher and it ruined the music. :)
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    jwillmo wrote:
    And catefrances, as antagonistic as this has been, your "killing yourself" comment, whether it was a joke or not, is really fucking frightening. Not to sound condescending, but I really hope you can do something about that. I mean, I think people suck as much as the next guy, but automatically assuming the worst about people just because you don't know them is the kind of mentality that leads to things like the war in Iraq (They's all Muslims! Kill em All!) If it's not God, I certainly hope you can find peace in SOMETHING.

    where did i say i automatically assume the worst in people? you have no idea who i am and how i deal with people. i never assume the worst in people. but i do know myself. and i know i cant be around people. sometimes i figure i should try cause its the 'right ' thing to do. but it takes too much energy from me and i have to retreat. my misanrthropy has nothing whatsoever to do with my atheism. and to be honest, i wont find peace until i am dead. im not being dramatic, tis just the way it is with me.
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  • mr orionmr orion Posts: 61
    When a band has sold over ten million albums of their debut release you are going to get obsessive fans who follow and hang on every word the lead singer says. I mean I own all the pearl jam records, but don't worry about the bands political stance, I just love the music. Living in the U.K. we don't get to see the band that often, so I find enjoyment in attending world music festivals ,such as WOMAD, where people of all religons mix and enjoy the weekend. When attending a gig everyone is there for the same reason, to have a good time , so respect should be given to the artist when introducing and playing a song.
  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    I respond to "bless you" a little more openly than catefrances, but I totally understand where she's coming from.

    When someone says it, they're merely repeating an indoctrinated response with religious tones. Atheists would rather not hear it because we don't need the comfort of a stranger when all we're doing is sneezing.

    If I farted and someone said "I'll pray for your bowels," I'd be uncomfortable with that too. It's well-intended but unnecessary.

    So when someone says "bless you," I offer a half-smile and a nod. Just to acknowledge their kind yet childish tradition.

    Anyway, now that this thread has moved onto sneezing, I really have to avoid getting sucked back in. It's clear that no matter how much science or reason or logic you throw at some of the believers on here, they still cling to their myths to make them feel better about life. Seems too egotistical to me, believing that any of us matter in the grand scheme of things.

    I wouldn't even want the concept of a God to be true because an entity who demands that you serve and obey is a celestial dictator. I'd rather masturbate without the fear that some creepy old dude, with a zombie for a son, is watching me. :)
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  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    One last thing...

    People keep talking about how others follow Ed and agree with his views simply because of who he is. That's not the case with me. I feel lucky that my views just happen to completely synch up with him. So I guess I'm blessed (hahaha) that way!

    I surf, I smoke pot, I share the same politics, like the same music, love Seattle, will vote for Barack, etc.

    The only direct influence Ed has had on my life is inspiring me to learn the guitar, for which I am eternally grateful.

    For those of you who disagree with everything he says in between songs, that's a shame. I hope there are other artists you can feel this connection with.
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  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    I respond to "bless you" a little more openly than catefrances, but I totally understand where she's coming from.

    When someone says it, they're merely repeating an indoctrinated response with religious tones. Atheists would rather not hear it because we don't need the comfort of a stranger when all we're doing is sneezing.

    If I farted and someone said "I'll pray for your bowels," I'd be uncomfortable with that too. It's well-intended but unnecessary.

    So when someone says "bless you," I offer a half-smile and a nod. Just to acknowledge their kind yet childish tradition.

    Anyway, now that this thread has moved onto sneezing, I really have to avoid getting sucked back in. It's clear that no matter how much science or reason or logic you throw at some of the believers on here, they still cling to their myths to make them feel better about life. Seems too egotistical to me, believing that any of us matter in the grand scheme of things.

    I wouldn't even want the concept of a God to be true because an entity who demands that you serve and obey is a celestial dictator. I'd rather masturbate without the fear that some creepy old dude, with a zombie for a son, is watching me. :)

    wow, i'm sure all atheists are glad you speak on behalf of them. i'm sure they all feel it's a 'kind yet childish tradition' too.

    once again it has nothing to do indocrination, myths, ego, beliefs, science, logic etc. atleast for some of us. why is that such a big deal to you? do you get offended when someone helps an old lady at the grocery store? i mean, cause that's something jesus would have done, right?

    some of you take yourselves ENTIRELY too seriously.
  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    cc10106 wrote:
    wow, i'm sure all atheists are glad you speak on behalf of them.

    some of you take yourselves ENTIRELY too seriously.

    I'm sure I don't speak for all atheists. Was simply trying to give you another perspective on the subject and offer support to catefrances. Forgive me for trying to help you see someone else's point of view.

    Perhaps you're taking us too seriously and should not get so easily offended.
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  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    cc10106 wrote:
    do you get offended when someone helps an old lady at the grocery store? i mean, cause that's something jesus would have done, right?

    Now you're being silly and this demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about atheists and atheism.

    Again, I offer you the story of the Good Samaritan. Someone who WAS NOT a Christian who taught Jesus a lesson in kindness.
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  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    Now you're being silly and this demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about atheists and atheism.

    Again, I offer you the story of the Good Samaritan. Someone who WAS NOT a Christian who taught Jesus a lesson in kindness.

    almost as silly as it is to insinuate that people only say 'bless you' out of religious 'indoctrination'.
  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    I'm sure I don't speak for all atheists. Was simply trying to give you another perspective on the subject and offer support to catefrances. Forgive me for trying to help you see someone else's point of view.

    Perhaps you're taking us too seriously and should not get so easily offended.

    no one's offended here, bra.
  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    cc10106 wrote:
    almost as silly as it is to insinuate that people only say 'bless you' out of religious 'indoctrination'.

    That's dumb. Where else did it come from? Unless you want to say it evolved from a different phrase...

    Secularists might use the phrase but it certainly originated from religion and the church. In response to Crazy Breed's explanation that people used it to ask God to spare them from the plague, it didn't work did it? I guess he was busy down the pub.
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  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    cc10106 wrote:
    no one's offended here, bra.

    Glad to hear it, panties.
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 470
    where did i say i automatically assume the worst in people? you have no idea who i am and how i deal with people. i never assume the worst in people. but i do know myself. and i know i cant be around people. sometimes i figure i should try cause its the 'right ' thing to do. but it takes too much energy from me and i have to retreat. my misanrthropy has nothing whatsoever to do with my atheism. and to be honest, i wont find peace until i am dead. im not being dramatic, tis just the way it is with me.
    "you can't just assume they are a good person. they could be a serial killer for all i know. therefore they do not deserve my respect."

    You're right, I have no idea how you are. All I have to go on is stuff like what I just quoted. Yet I don't start with no respect and then work up. I start respecting everyone until they give me reason not to. You know, cause they're human fucking beigns. And I never attributed your hyper-pessimistic attitude towards atheism, but I'm sure others will. I was seriously concerned with the "kill myself" line. Again, just out of basic respect for other people. It seems like you're the type of person I would never get along with, but I still felt like shit when I read that line, even though you've done nothing to "earn" my worry, or my respect. You're a human being. I don't care if people respect human beings because they think God wants them to, or because they just have an innate sense that they should. I do think we should respect each other anyway.

    PS Edit was to change "Your" to "You're". Welcome back EvilRabit. ;)
  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    Glad to hear it, panties.

    this coming from someone who's annoyed by TWO FUCKING WORDS. WORDS. THAT'S ALL THEY ARE.
  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    cc10106 wrote:
    this coming from someone who's annoyed by TWO FUCKING WORDS. WORDS. THAT'S ALL THEY ARE.

    No annoyance here, bra. I just think it's a bit silly to say a little phrase following a bodily function. Call me crazy. If you want to say it, go ahead. While you're at it, why not make up a little song for when you go pee-pee or poo-poo.
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  • EvilRabbitEvilRabbit Posts: 286
    Doesn't get much more off topic than this, does it? :)
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  • Drew263Drew263 Birmingham, AL Posts: 602
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    One last thing...

    People keep talking about how others follow Ed and agree with his views simply because of who he is. That's not the case with me. I feel lucky that my views just happen to completely synch up with him. So I guess I'm blessed (hahaha) that way!

    Interesting since Ed believes in God now. uhoh.....might be too late to change your opinion.
  • Big ManBig Man Posts: 97
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    One last thing...

    People keep talking about how others follow Ed and agree with his views simply because of who he is. That's not the case with me. I feel lucky that my views just happen to completely synch up with him. So I guess I'm blessed (hahaha) that way!

    I surf, I smoke pot, I share the same politics, like the same music, love Seattle, will vote for Barack, etc.

    The only direct influence Ed has had on my life is inspiring me to learn the guitar, for which I am eternally grateful.

    For those of you who disagree with everything he says in between songs, that's a shame. I hope there are other artists you can feel this connection with.


    Hey evild rabbit! I totally agree to that post . Funny.
  • cc10106cc10106 Posts: 385
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    No annoyance here, bra. I just think it's a bit silly to say a little phrase following a bodily function. Call me crazy. If you want to say it, go ahead. While you're at it, why not make up a little song for when you go pee-pee or poo-poo.

    fair enough. see how easy it is to offer a comment that doesn't involved condescension or stereotyping of one's beliefs/habits?

    i'm not really that talented enough to make up a song like that. i'm sure you and eddie would have a ball making one up, since you're such kindred spirits and all.
  • Big ManBig Man Posts: 97
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    Now you're being silly and this demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about atheists and atheism.

    Again, I offer you the story of the Good Samaritan. Someone who WAS NOT a Christian who taught Jesus a lesson in kindness.



    A.... no. This was a story Jesus allegorically told to explain what it means to love your neighbour. There were no Christians around then, cuz Jesus was not crucified yet. They were Jews.
  • HermanBloomHermanBloom Posts: 1,764
    EvilRabbit wrote:
    Now you're being silly and this demonstrates a clear lack of understanding about atheists and atheism.

    Again, I offer you the story of the Good Samaritan. Someone who WAS NOT a Christian who taught Jesus a lesson in kindness.
    The Good Samaritan never existed; parables are stories that Jesus made up to give an example. The Samaritan didn't teach Jesus anything; he used it as an example to teach others.
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