The Good Samaritan never existed; parables are stories that Jesus made up to give an example. The Samaritan didn't teach Jesus anything; he used it as an example to teach others.
we just said nearly the same thing at the same time :-)
we just said nearly the same thing at the same time :-)
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I'm just wondering whether your judgment against Catholicism is an Evangelical or a Charismatic one... they tend to believe they are 'real Christians'. As a matter of fact, Evangelicalism is just a 300 year old off-shoot of Catholicism.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
The Good Samaritan never existed; parables are stories that Jesus made up to give an example. The Samaritan didn't teach Jesus anything; he used it as an example to teach others.
Okay, I'll bite... so you're saying Jesus made up a story about a guy who had excellent morality even though he wasn't a Christian? Sounds to me like Jesus knew you could be a good person all on your lonesome. He's teaching that we all have the potential to be good, only some of us can be good on our own, others need to be taught.
Ah, I love the Bible and all those stories that never happened. Many of them are excellent. Just a shame people don't view the Bible like they do the work of Dickens or Tolstoy. Just good old stories...
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as far as Ed worship goes some people are admirers and some are dick riders.I always liked Ed from day one! we agree on a lot of things(based on his "rants")
he likes B-ball,he tokes now and then,he has a great sense of humor and he just happen to be responsible for some of the most important music in my life(music being very near and dear to me)
do i care what wine he drinks?no,but i'd share a swig and check it out.
do i care what jeans he wears? fuck no.
do i adjust my train of thought to coincide with what he thinks? hell no.i doubt we'd see eye to eye on everything but we do agree on the most important (like freedom)
we "grew up together" and evolved with age/time.and even if i didn't agree with one word that came out of his mouth i'd still love his music.but where i do agree with a lot of what he says it just makes my bond to this band even stronger.
will i vote for Obama,fuck no! i know better and if Ed gave me his ear for a while,i think i may be able to convince him not to vote for Obama either.(if he in fact he supports Obama,i have not seen anything that solidifies this "rumor")
Okay, I'll bite... so you're saying Jesus made up a story about a guy who had excellent morality even though he wasn't a Christian? Sounds to me like Jesus knew you could be a good person all on your lonesome. He's teaching that we all have the potential to be good, only some of us can be good on our own, others need to be taught..
He's teaching that other people are in God's favour, not just the Jews, and often the people his hearers would least expect.. the Samaritans were enemies of the Jews.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Okay, I'll bite... so you're saying Jesus made up a story about a guy who had excellent morality even though he wasn't a Christian? Sounds to me like Jesus knew you could be a good person all on your lonesome. He's teaching that we all have the potential to be good, only some of us can be good on our own, others need to be taught.
Ah, I love the Bible and all those stories that never happened. Many of them are excellent. Just a shame people don't view the Bible like they do the work of Dickens or Tolstoy. Just good old stories...
you need to do some serious education. No use in discussing with you when you have no clue of what you talking about. Just childish logic you apply here, read some christian theology if you are intersted in Jesus message and meaning.
I'm just wondering whether your judgment against Catholicism is an Evangelical or a Charismatic one... they tend to believe they are 'real Christians'. As a matter of fact, Evangelicalism is just a 300 year old off-shoot of Catholicism.
no i don't subscribe to Evangelicalism. I meant Roman Catholicism is really intertwined with the Babylon mystery religion & Paganism.
there is a book written in the 1800's called "the tale of two Babylons"check it out,you can find it on the net.it explains a whole lot about what i'm talking about.
one example is Easter.Easter is supposed to be about Christ so where do the eggs and bunnies come from? well it's actually because around the same time of year pagans pay homage to a fertility goddess.The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God.Yet in Catholicism where they are supposed to follow the Bible,the Bible says
“I am the LORD your God…You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 2:2-5).
through "blind faith" people have been tricked into worshiping things they don't understand. same goes with Christmas and on and on i could go.
as i Christian i take it literal and (try) to follow the gospel of Christ.ya know "do onto others as you would have them do onto you." etc. etc.
you need to do some serious education. No use in discussing with you when you have no clue of what you talking about. Just childish logic you apply here, read some christian theology if you are intersted in Jesus message and meaning.
Big Man...for a nonbeliever to do that...he/she would have to be open minded.
yikers...
On another note...I'd like for a person guided by "science" and "science" alone to explain to me why only 1 species out of millions and millions on this planet evolved to the level of thought and reason we have? B/c the argument of, "it just happened that way" seems pretty dumb to me.
Big Man...for a nonbeliever to do that...he/she would have to be open minded.
yikers...
On another note...I'd like for a person guided by "science" and "science" alone to explain to me why only 1 species out of millions and millions on this planet evolved to the level of thought and reason we have? B/c the argument of, "it just happened that way" seems pretty dumb to me.
Because random selection is just that: random.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
no i don't subscribe to Evangelicalism. I meant Roman Catholicism is really intertwined with the Babylon mystery religion & Paganism.
there is a book written in the 1800's called "the tale of two Babylons"check it out,you can find it on the net.it explains a whole lot about what i'm talking about.
one example is Easter.Easter is supposed to be about Christ so where do the eggs and bunnies come from? well it's actually because around the same time of year pagans pay homage to a fertility goddess.The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God.Yet in Catholicism where they are supposed to follow the Bible,the Bible says
“I am the LORD your God…You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 2:2-5).
through "blind faith" people have been tricked into worshiping things they don't understand. same goes with Christmas and on and on i could go.
Didn't mean to make you think I was accusing you of being an Evangelical, I'm just so used to hearing the two camps call each other 'not real Christianity'.
Most of this post I agree with.. however, I'm not sure whether the Easter Bunny, Easter eggs or Christmas trees are the Catholics' fault. That's good ol' secular shopping culture.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
On another note...I'd like for a person guided by "science" and "science" alone to explain to me why only 1 species out of millions and millions on this planet evolved to the level of thought and reason we have? B/c the argument of, "it just happened that way" seems pretty dumb to me.
Natural selection. Look into it.
Earlier another guy talked of the mathematical impossibility of natural selection. Another retarded creationist argument. Trying to gauge the odds of something by looking BACKWARDS is obviously going to create astronomical odds, but that's not how it works.
If any of you seek the real answers to these questions, they are out there. You simply need to read real science books and not listen to opportunist dickheads like Ray Comfort or Pat Robertson.
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Big Man...for a nonbeliever to do that...he/she would have to be open minded.
yikers...
On another note...I'd like for a person guided by "science" and "science" alone to explain to me why only 1 species out of millions and millions on this planet evolved to the level of thought and reason we have? B/c the argument of, "it just happened that way" seems pretty dumb to me.
man wasn't supposed to have all the answers,we are not Gods even though we are created in his image.
that's why scientists are atheists,their egos can't handle not being able to explain or know how,where,what & why about everything.:D
face it,there are somethings beyond us that no one will ever understand or have full knowledge of.
Classic quote. Thanks, but I think my education is just fine.
you put my quote out of context. You know well that I was refering to your Jesus quote, which was obviously stupid. I said dont talk about stuff you have no idea about. It makes you look silly.
Random: without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way
Would one species specifically evolving to our level out of millions of others actually be random? Seems like the opposite of random to me.
Yes, it would be - one minor change in climate or living condition could have made for a random mutation in our DNA - and countless other species' DNA too. It just happened to lead us down one road of evolution, and the others down numerous different roads.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Earlier another guy talked of the mathematical impossibility of natural selection. Another retarded creationist argument. Trying to gauge the odds of something by looking BACKWARDS is obviously going to create astronomical odds, but that's not how it works.
If any of you seek the real answers to these questions, they are out there. You simply need to read real science books and not listen to opportunist dickheads like Ray Comfort or Pat Robertson.
Damn..reading comprehension is your friend. If you take notice, I have said that I believe evolution and creationism are the same thing. Pretty sure I didn't get that from Pat Robertson. You know what they say about ASSumptions right? Anyway, so you're telling me that natural selection (which I have looked into) is the reason that we are the ONLY species to evolve to such a high level? And you call us simple minded?? oookkkkkk....
Side note..one thing I've noticed in life is that those who speak in a bold, condescending manner usually are trying to compensate for something. It's easy to insult when you have nothing of any substance to say.
Yes, it would be - one minor change in climate or living condition could have made for a random mutation in our DNA - and countless other species' DNA too. It just happened to lead us down one road of evolution, and the others down numerous different roads.
I'm cool with that explanation and agree....I just believe there's something bigger that made it that way. I just don't believe it happened by chance.
Keep in mind, I'm a Christian who believes the Book of Genesis is a metaphor for evolution.
you put my quote out of context. You know well that I was refering to your Jesus quote, which was obviously stupid. I said dont talk about stuff you have no idea about. It makes you look silly.
I was simply enjoying the irony of you telling me to educate myself with a grammatically-incorrect sentence. I mean no offense, but you have to see the irony there...
As for talking about stuff we have no idea about... this whole thread is about Ed and Religion (or was). Yet none of us have a clue about his religious views. Sure, you can speculate based on "DTE" or "Marker In The Sand," or comments on stage, but beyond that aren't we all guessing???
I have no idea if Ed is an atheist or whether he truly believes in a god. Neither do you and neither does anyone else here.
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I'm cool with that explanation and agree....I just believe there's something bigger that made it that way. I just don't believe it happened by chance.
Keep in mind, I'm a Christian who believes the Book of Genesis is a metaphor for evolution.
The difference between me and some other atheists on this thread is that I don't have any problem with people believing in a god, or anything. I just have a problem with people who don't accept science.:)
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
man wasn't supposed to have all the answers,we are not Gods even though we are created in his image.
that's why scientists are atheists,their egos can't handle not being able to explain or know how,where,what & why about everything.:D
face it,there are somethings beyond us that no one will ever understand or have full knowledge of.
And I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with people that don't have any faith. It's their choice. I just do not understand people like EvilRabbit who feel the need to be condescending to other people b/c they disagree with him. It's "open minded" bunch being hypocrits again that gets me.
Plenty of folks in this thread have shown there can be an interesting dialogue on this topic, there's only been one douchebag in the thread.
I'm cool with that explanation and agree....I just believe there's something bigger that made it that way. I just don't believe it happened by chance.
Keep in mind, I'm a Christian who believes the Book of Genesis is a metaphor for evolution.
And most of us atheists believe it was a story concocted by people ignorant of the world around them, and that was the best explanation they could come up with based on the evidence available at the time.
I didn't call you simple-minded. Go ahead and assume I did though.
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The difference between me and some other atheists on this thread is that I don't have any problem with people believing in a god, or anything. I just have a problem with people who don't accept science.:)
Well as a believer, it's hard to not accept science when it's staring you in the face. It's just a matter of the source that we disagree on.
And I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with people that don't have any faith. It's their choice. I just do not understand people like EvilRabbit who feel the need to be condescending to other people b/c they disagree with him. It's "open minded" bunch being hypocrits again that gets me.
Plenty of folks in this thread have shown there can be an interesting dialogue on this topic, there's only been one douchebag in the thread.
Douchebag? Jesus would be proud of you.
I have only argued for my position because atheists are loathed and persecuted by the vast majority of people in this country. For no good reason. We can be good people, great people, but you paint a portrait of lost, dark, depressed assholes.
Most of us non-believers would be more than happy to let you believe whatever you want in private, but you bring your nonsense into schools, into the minds of children, and into the White House. That affects us and makes us angry. Whereas our atheism does not affect your daily life in any way.
Well, other than prompting you to call people names.
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I was simply enjoying the irony of you telling me to educate myself with a grammatically-incorrect sentence. I mean no offense, but you have to see the irony there...
Now THAT is irony, he he...
Although you are back to being a little dickish again. You keep implying things and then saying you didn't out and out say them, i.e. "I didn't say you were simple-minded..." Although in hindsight getting into it with you is a lot more fun than some of the others who have jumped on board today. Seriously, at what point does this shit get moved to Moving Train??
I tried to just be an observer today (I've really been fucking off at work this week- boss's vacation.) but I keep getting pulled in to these things. Here we are, Page 30 and we have yet to unwrap the mysteries of the universe. Who knew, I thought for sure we'd have proven/disproven God by now...
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we just said nearly the same thing at the same time :-)
no, it doesn't. i need to learn to surf. seems to go hand in hand with playing guitar, music.
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Really? In that case... Praise be the lord, I have seen the light!
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I'm just wondering whether your judgment against Catholicism is an Evangelical or a Charismatic one... they tend to believe they are 'real Christians'. As a matter of fact, Evangelicalism is just a 300 year old off-shoot of Catholicism.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Okay, I'll bite... so you're saying Jesus made up a story about a guy who had excellent morality even though he wasn't a Christian? Sounds to me like Jesus knew you could be a good person all on your lonesome. He's teaching that we all have the potential to be good, only some of us can be good on our own, others need to be taught.
Ah, I love the Bible and all those stories that never happened. Many of them are excellent. Just a shame people don't view the Bible like they do the work of Dickens or Tolstoy. Just good old stories...
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Surfing and guitar take a long time to learn but it's worth it. Very rewarding.
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he likes B-ball,he tokes now and then,he has a great sense of humor and he just happen to be responsible for some of the most important music in my life(music being very near and dear to me)
do i care what wine he drinks?no,but i'd share a swig and check it out.
do i care what jeans he wears? fuck no.
do i adjust my train of thought to coincide with what he thinks? hell no.i doubt we'd see eye to eye on everything but we do agree on the most important (like freedom)
we "grew up together" and evolved with age/time.and even if i didn't agree with one word that came out of his mouth i'd still love his music.but where i do agree with a lot of what he says it just makes my bond to this band even stronger.
will i vote for Obama,fuck no! i know better and if Ed gave me his ear for a while,i think i may be able to convince him not to vote for Obama either.(if he in fact he supports Obama,i have not seen anything that solidifies this "rumor")
He's teaching that other people are in God's favour, not just the Jews, and often the people his hearers would least expect.. the Samaritans were enemies of the Jews.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I agree about the guitar part. I've never surfed so I don't really know.
you need to do some serious education. No use in discussing with you when you have no clue of what you talking about. Just childish logic you apply here, read some christian theology if you are intersted in Jesus message and meaning.
no i don't subscribe to Evangelicalism. I meant Roman Catholicism is really intertwined with the Babylon mystery religion & Paganism.
there is a book written in the 1800's called "the tale of two Babylons"check it out,you can find it on the net.it explains a whole lot about what i'm talking about.
one example is Easter.Easter is supposed to be about Christ so where do the eggs and bunnies come from? well it's actually because around the same time of year pagans pay homage to a fertility goddess.The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God.Yet in Catholicism where they are supposed to follow the Bible,the Bible says
“I am the LORD your God…You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 2:2-5).
through "blind faith" people have been tricked into worshiping things they don't understand. same goes with Christmas and on and on i could go.
as i Christian i take it literal and (try) to follow the gospel of Christ.ya know "do onto others as you would have them do onto you." etc. etc.
Big Man...for a nonbeliever to do that...he/she would have to be open minded.
yikers...
On another note...I'd like for a person guided by "science" and "science" alone to explain to me why only 1 species out of millions and millions on this planet evolved to the level of thought and reason we have? B/c the argument of, "it just happened that way" seems pretty dumb to me.
Classic quote. Thanks, but I think my education is just fine.
I guess I could always learn more about the Bible and read it again. Or I could re-read the Mr. Men books.
Hey, Crazy Breed. Ed is voting for Obama. Unless I imagined the giant banner his crew carried across the stage behind him at the LA show...
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Because random selection is just that: random.
Didn't mean to make you think I was accusing you of being an Evangelical, I'm just so used to hearing the two camps call each other 'not real Christianity'.
Most of this post I agree with.. however, I'm not sure whether the Easter Bunny, Easter eggs or Christmas trees are the Catholics' fault.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Natural selection. Look into it.
Earlier another guy talked of the mathematical impossibility of natural selection. Another retarded creationist argument. Trying to gauge the odds of something by looking BACKWARDS is obviously going to create astronomical odds, but that's not how it works.
If any of you seek the real answers to these questions, they are out there. You simply need to read real science books and not listen to opportunist dickheads like Ray Comfort or Pat Robertson.
www.screenplaymechanic.com
Random: without definite aim, purpose, method, or adherence to a prior arrangement; in a haphazard way
Would one species specifically evolving to our level out of millions of others actually be random? Seems like the opposite of random to me.
man wasn't supposed to have all the answers,we are not Gods even though we are created in his image.
that's why scientists are atheists,their egos can't handle not being able to explain or know how,where,what & why about everything.:D
face it,there are somethings beyond us that no one will ever understand or have full knowledge of.
you put my quote out of context. You know well that I was refering to your Jesus quote, which was obviously stupid. I said dont talk about stuff you have no idea about. It makes you look silly.
Yes, it would be - one minor change in climate or living condition could have made for a random mutation in our DNA - and countless other species' DNA too. It just happened to lead us down one road of evolution, and the others down numerous different roads.
Damn..reading comprehension is your friend. If you take notice, I have said that I believe evolution and creationism are the same thing. Pretty sure I didn't get that from Pat Robertson. You know what they say about ASSumptions right? Anyway, so you're telling me that natural selection (which I have looked into) is the reason that we are the ONLY species to evolve to such a high level? And you call us simple minded?? oookkkkkk....
Side note..one thing I've noticed in life is that those who speak in a bold, condescending manner usually are trying to compensate for something. It's easy to insult when you have nothing of any substance to say.
I'm cool with that explanation and agree....I just believe there's something bigger that made it that way. I just don't believe it happened by chance.
Keep in mind, I'm a Christian who believes the Book of Genesis is a metaphor for evolution.
I was simply enjoying the irony of you telling me to educate myself with a grammatically-incorrect sentence. I mean no offense, but you have to see the irony there...
As for talking about stuff we have no idea about... this whole thread is about Ed and Religion (or was). Yet none of us have a clue about his religious views. Sure, you can speculate based on "DTE" or "Marker In The Sand," or comments on stage, but beyond that aren't we all guessing???
I have no idea if Ed is an atheist or whether he truly believes in a god. Neither do you and neither does anyone else here.
www.screenplaymechanic.com
The difference between me and some other atheists on this thread is that I don't have any problem with people believing in a god, or anything. I just have a problem with people who don't accept science.:)
And I'm fine with that. I'm also fine with people that don't have any faith. It's their choice. I just do not understand people like EvilRabbit who feel the need to be condescending to other people b/c they disagree with him. It's "open minded" bunch being hypocrits again that gets me.
Plenty of folks in this thread have shown there can be an interesting dialogue on this topic, there's only been one douchebag in the thread.
And most of us atheists believe it was a story concocted by people ignorant of the world around them, and that was the best explanation they could come up with based on the evidence available at the time.
I didn't call you simple-minded. Go ahead and assume I did though.
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Well as a believer, it's hard to not accept science when it's staring you in the face. It's just a matter of the source that we disagree on.
Which is fine.
Douchebag? Jesus would be proud of you.
I have only argued for my position because atheists are loathed and persecuted by the vast majority of people in this country. For no good reason. We can be good people, great people, but you paint a portrait of lost, dark, depressed assholes.
Most of us non-believers would be more than happy to let you believe whatever you want in private, but you bring your nonsense into schools, into the minds of children, and into the White House. That affects us and makes us angry. Whereas our atheism does not affect your daily life in any way.
Well, other than prompting you to call people names.
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Although you are back to being a little dickish again. You keep implying things and then saying you didn't out and out say them, i.e. "I didn't say you were simple-minded..." Although in hindsight getting into it with you is a lot more fun than some of the others who have jumped on board today. Seriously, at what point does this shit get moved to Moving Train??
I tried to just be an observer today (I've really been fucking off at work this week- boss's vacation.) but I keep getting pulled in to these things. Here we are, Page 30 and we have yet to unwrap the mysteries of the universe. Who knew, I thought for sure we'd have proven/disproven God by now...