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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,912
    don't you love Hamels calling the Mets choke artists on the Fan? That's awesome.
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    Glad to see this thread moved over...but 500 posts less? boo :evil:
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    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    petrocs wrote:
    Glad to see this thread moved over...but 500 posts less? boo :evil:


    oh well. they got my post count wrong by 2000 or so
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    The Jeagler wrote:
    petrocs wrote:
    Glad to see this thread moved over...but 500 posts less? boo :evil:


    oh well. they got my post count wrong by 2000 or so

    I'm off by 7,000 lol.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    I think the post count just reflects the threads which were transferred to this board. But what do I know.


    Nice Jason Stark article on ESPN.com today about arbitration and what it could mean for the Phils, Boston and other teams.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    chromiam wrote:
    I think the post count just reflects the threads which were transferred to this board. But what do I know.


    Nice Jason Stark article on ESPN.com today about arbitration and what it could mean for the Phils, Boston and other teams.

    It was good and explains why I think the Phils have a problem on their hands in a few years because of in place salary structures.

    I don't think it's nearly as big a problem for the Red Sox because even if they let Youk walk, their best prospect in AAA is a slugging 1st baseman and there is no way they let Papelbon go. Of course what I think they do is trade Lowell after the 2009 season, move Youk to 3rd and call up the 1st baseman.

    The Phils have a problem because Hamels is going to want to get paid and he looks around and sees Moyer making 8, Eaton 9.5 and Myers 12.5. Hamels will break the bank if he stays healthy.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    The Phils are definitely in a spot, especially with Hamels. Hopefully, the organization steps up and gives him a salary at or above what his service time dictates. Although I can see them paying at or close to Cole's arbitration number for a 1 year deal this year and then worrying about a longer term deal after the season, since Cole has arbitration till 2011 or so.
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  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    chromiam wrote:
    The Phils are definitely in a spot, especially with Hamels. Hopefully, the organization steps up and gives him a salary at or above what his service time dictates. Although I can see them paying at or close to Cole's arbitration number for a 1 year deal this year and then worrying about a longer term deal after the season, since Cole has arbitration till 2011 or so.

    That sounds about right...Im worried about the Howard AND Hamels deals...I want these guys locked up long term
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    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    First baseman Ryan Howard and left-hander Cole Hamels will be the Phillies' biggest challenges in salary arbitration, but right-hander Ryan Madson will be no pushover. Madson, a free agent after next season, is represented by Scott Boras, and already has turned down a three-year, $12 million offer, according to a major-league source. After the Phillies won the World Series, Boras compared the combination of Madson and Brad Lidge to Mariano Rivera and John Wettleland ...
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    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    petrocs wrote:
    First baseman Ryan Howard and left-hander Cole Hamels will be the Phillies' biggest challenges in salary arbitration, but right-hander Ryan Madson will be no pushover. Madson, a free agent after next season, is represented by Scott Boras, and already has turned down a three-year, $12 million offer, according to a major-league source. After the Phillies won the World Series, Boras compared the combination of Madson and Brad Lidge to Mariano Rivera and John Wettleland ...

    Yeah, but that's all posturing on part of the agent and his client. Anybody need a ticket to the St. Patty's Day game in Clearwater? I have an extra one and looking to get rid of it - $10. PM me if need be.
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    petrocs wrote:
    That sounds about right...Im worried about the Howard AND Hamels deals...I want these guys locked up long term

    Sign Hamels, yes... but I'm not so keen on signing Howard to a long term (A-Rod type money) deal. I just don't see him being worth it.
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  • chromiam
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    Madson turned down a 3 year $12 mil offer.... I see him being traded at some point during the season. He wants closer money but won't be the closer here.
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  • Solat13
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    chromiam wrote:
    petrocs wrote:
    That sounds about right...Im worried about the Howard AND Hamels deals...I want these guys locked up long term

    Sign Hamels, yes... but I'm not so keen on signing Howard to a long term (A-Rod type money) deal. I just don't see him being worth it.

    Especially since he will be 31 when he's a free agent. He and his agent are going to try and cash in for being left in the farm system a year or two too long.
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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    chromiam wrote:
    Madson turned down a 3 year $12 mil offer.... I see him being traded at some point during the season. He wants closer money but won't be the closer here.

    That's the same offer that Romero accepted.

    There's two differences though:

    Madson is a lot younger and Scott Boras is Madson's agent.
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Dobbs down.... a few more to go
    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/200 ... ation.html

    Nice to hear Hamels say he wants to be a Phillie for a long time to come. Let's see how it plays out.
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  • jamminpearls
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    Hamels is signed to a 3yr 20.5 million dollar deal with incentives. First dobbs now hamels nice offseason so far. :D
    Go Birds!!!!
  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    Madson signed.... Rube is doing a nice job in avoiding arbitration so far.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... deal_.html
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  • petrocs
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    I think they'll get everyone except Howard done
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  • chromiam
    chromiam Posts: 4,114
    petrocs wrote:
    I think they'll get everyone except Howard done

    My thoughts now too. I figured it would be Howard and Madson holding out but now it seems like just Howard.
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  • petrocs
    petrocs Posts: 4,342
    chromiam wrote:
    petrocs wrote:
    I think they'll get everyone except Howard done

    My thoughts now too. I figured it would be Howard and Madson holding out but now it seems like just Howard.


    which is to be expected since hes a "superstar" now
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