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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    one more thing...

    had friends come in from out of town for the birds championship game this weekend. so on saturday night me and my one friend are hammered. its like 3:30 in the morning and we want to get fired up for the birds game. so we throw on the world series dvd. have you ever watched it with a bunch of diehard drunk phils fans yet? it was fucking great. we started throwing back more beers at a record pace. jumping up and down and screaming like game 5 was on live tv at 4 in the morning. both our girlfriends woke up and came downstairs cuz they thought we were fighting or something we were making so much noise. instead we're yelling "WE WON!" at the top of our lungs....hahaha....good times!! go phils! cant wail to pitchers and catchers baby!!!
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996

    this is a run producing, offensive player for the AGES gentlemen.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here:

    In 2005, Howard was 10th in OPS
    In 2006, he was 2nd
    In 2007, he was 4th
    In 2008, he was 6th

    Now that is not among all players, but only among 1st basemen. He is a really good hitting first basemen but his numbers have dropped off the last two years and the year he's eligible for free agency he'll be 31. You'd have to be nuts to sign him to a long term deal at that age.

    Like I said, enjoy him this year and maybe next but you don't want to cripple your payroll around him for the 5 seasons after or trade him for pennies on the dollar to an AL team after his decline continues.

    Hopefully he proves me wrong with a monster season, but his hole in his swing has gotten larger the last few years instead of smaller.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    chromiam wrote:
    petrocs wrote:
    Werth signed a multi year deal
    Blanton 1 year $5+ million
    Victorino 1 year $3+ million
    Madson 3 year $12 million

    Durbin and Howard left looks like

    My guess.. Durbin signs within 3 days and Howard gets $14 mil at arbitration.

    Maybe I should have said within 3 hours....
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    Solat13 wrote:

    this is a run producing, offensive player for the AGES gentlemen.

    Let's not get ahead of ourselves here:

    In 2005, Howard was 10th in OPS
    In 2006, he was 2nd
    In 2007, he was 4th
    In 2008, he was 6th

    Now that is not among all players, but only among 1st basemen. He is a really good hitting first basemen but his numbers have dropped off the last two years and the year he's eligible for free agency he'll be 31. You'd have to be nuts to sign him to a long term deal at that age.

    Like I said, enjoy him this year and maybe next but you don't want to cripple your payroll around him for the 5 seasons after or trade him for pennies on the dollar to an AL team after his decline continues.

    Hopefully he proves me wrong with a monster season, but his hole in his swing has gotten larger the last few years instead of smaller.

    explain to me how your numbers are expected to go up from 58 home runs and 149 rbi's and a .313 batting average? that season was not only great, but one for the ages. the ages. you can count on maybe one hand, possibly 2 the number of players who had that kind of production over the last 100 years or so.

    and the last two years he's hit 105 home runs and 282 rbi's! what more do you need? i also dont think that just because he will be 31 years old in a couple years means he is too old for a multi year deal. yeah he would do himself a huge service by shedding weight and playing better defense. but go and look how many baseball players flourish well into their 30's and even early 40's in some cases. this team is loaded with cash. brand new ball park. sold out stadium every night. fans who eat up their merchandise like its going out of style. and best of all....no salary cap! sign him.

    also:
    -he ranks 1st out of anyone that has ever played the game in most home runs for first 1,000 at bats.
    -he has the most home runs ever in a sophomore season than anyone that ever played the game.
    -it took him 325 games to hit 100 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -it took him 495 games to hit 150 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -in just 4 years he has won rookie of the year, mvp, silver slugger, and finished 2nd in mvp in '08.
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in rbi's twice
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in home runs's twice
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996

    explain to me how your numbers are expected to go up from 58 home runs and 149 rbi's and a .313 batting average? that season was not only great, but one for the ages. the ages. you can count on maybe one hand, possibly 2 the number of players who had that kind of production over the last 100 years or so.

    and the last two years he's hit 105 home runs and 282 rbi's! what more do you need? i also dont think that just because he will be 31 years old in a couple years means he is too old for a multi year deal. yeah he would do himself a huge service by shedding weight and playing better defense. but go and look how many baseball players flourish well into their 30's and even early 40's in some cases. this team is loaded with cash. brand new ball park. sold out stadium every night. fans who eat up their merchandise like its going out of style. and best of all....no salary cap! sign him.

    also:
    -he ranks 1st out of anyone that has ever played the game in most home runs for first 1,000 at bats.
    -he has the most home runs ever in a sophomore season than anyone that ever played the game.
    -it took him 325 games to hit 100 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -it took him 495 games to hit 150 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -in just 4 years he has won rookie of the year, mvp, silver slugger, and finished 2nd in mvp in '08.
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in rbi's twice
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in home runs's twice

    Counting numbers are great.

    I'm more in the Bill Jamesian school of baseball and look at this:

    2006: .313/.425/.659 a truly great season that was second in all of baseball to Pujols
    2007: .268/.392/.584
    2008: .251/.339/.543

    If you can't see that he's trending downwards, then I'm sorry. A .339 OBP is not good for anyone yet alone a hitter for all the ages.

    There's a reason he only made the Allstar team in 2006. It was the only year he was worthy of going.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    Solat13 wrote:

    explain to me how your numbers are expected to go up from 58 home runs and 149 rbi's and a .313 batting average? that season was not only great, but one for the ages. the ages. you can count on maybe one hand, possibly 2 the number of players who had that kind of production over the last 100 years or so.

    and the last two years he's hit 105 home runs and 282 rbi's! what more do you need? i also dont think that just because he will be 31 years old in a couple years means he is too old for a multi year deal. yeah he would do himself a huge service by shedding weight and playing better defense. but go and look how many baseball players flourish well into their 30's and even early 40's in some cases. this team is loaded with cash. brand new ball park. sold out stadium every night. fans who eat up their merchandise like its going out of style. and best of all....no salary cap! sign him.

    also:
    -he ranks 1st out of anyone that has ever played the game in most home runs for first 1,000 at bats.
    -he has the most home runs ever in a sophomore season than anyone that ever played the game.
    -it took him 325 games to hit 100 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -it took him 495 games to hit 150 home runs...that is the fastest rate than anyone that has ever played the game.
    -in just 4 years he has won rookie of the year, mvp, silver slugger, and finished 2nd in mvp in '08.
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in rbi's twice
    -in just 4 years he has led the league in home runs's twice

    Counting numbers are great.

    I'm more in the Bill Jamesian school of baseball and look at this:

    2006: .313/.425/.659 a truly great season that was second in all of baseball to Pujols
    2007: .268/.392/.584
    2008: .251/.339/.543

    If you can't see that he's trending downwards, then I'm sorry. A .339 OBP is not good for anyone yet alone a hitter for all the ages.

    There's a reason he only made the Allstar team in 2006. It was the only year he was worthy of going.

    bill jamesian is great too. but the numbers i posted can't be denied. and i never said he was not in decline from 2006, even though he hit more hr's and had more rbi's last year than the year before. all i said was he was in decline from just about as good as you can possibly do. you can't deny that his first 4 years in the major leagues have been, from a run producing standpoint (which is all that really matters anyway if you're trying to win baseball games) up there with the greats who have ever played the game.

    and who cares about the all star game anyway? that just depends on some clown voting a million times online in his mom's house.
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Well well well....back from the inauguration and so goes my idea of a "Philly: City of Champions" thread...ah well...so my hope of 4-for-4 is gone....but 3 out of 4 could still work....Seriously though, so goes the old board and so goes all the shit talking, not to mention all the knuckleheads that no longer tarry about....definitely not enough knuckleheads....Like Mike Lafontaine would say, "Wha happened?"...Ah well, I can smell St. Patty's Day in Clearwater from here...
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    have you guys ever considered posting in the other thread? it gets much more traffic than this one...
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    have you guys ever considered posting in the other thread? it gets much more traffic than this one...

    What other thread?
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    chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    have you guys ever considered posting in the other thread? it gets much more traffic than this one...

    What other thread?

    My question as well....
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    chromiam wrote:
    have you guys ever considered posting in the other thread? it gets much more traffic than this one...

    What other thread?

    My question as well....


    sorry. i meant the other board. giventopost.com ?
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    What other thread?

    My question as well....[/quote]


    sorry. i meant the other board. giventopost.com ?[/quote]

    Hmmmm I have not....what, did that come from the peeps that couldn't make it over here? I see it as all I need is one board - it's too much after that. I was thinking of going back to RM/TSIS because of this nonsense.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    What other thread?

    My question as well....


    sorry. i meant the other board. giventopost.com ?[/quote]

    Hmmmm I have not....what, did that come from the peeps that couldn't make it over here? I see it as all I need is one board - it's too much after that. I was thinking of going back to RM/TSIS because of this nonsense.[/quote]


    yup. like right now there are 12 people online there (all former pitters) 10 here. so basically we're split in half from the way it used to be. sucks. i kind of float in between the two but that board is much more active than this one so far. theres just not a lot of sports talk yet...
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Well that sucks...things I liked talking about on here was sports, all things Philly, drinking, inane bullshit. And there's definitely not enough of these things going on here. Yeah, I'm on over there now. Still may check out RM and peace this place all together. There's just too much ridiculousness going on here.
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    I'm staying here. Don't have enough time to go between two boards and catch up.

    I'm just surprised that so many people used to post on here that weren't fan club members.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm staying here. Don't have enough time to go between two boards and catch up.

    I'm just surprised that so many people used to post on here that weren't fan club members.


    i was shocked at that too. theres also a lot of people over there who are in the club but just refuse to post over here. its very strange
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    chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm staying here. Don't have enough time to go between two boards and catch up.

    I'm just surprised that so many people used to post on here that weren't fan club members.

    Same here.. I figure one message board is plenty for me.
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm staying here. Don't have enough time to go between two boards and catch up.

    I'm just surprised that so many people used to post on here that weren't fan club members.


    i was shocked at that too. theres also a lot of people over there who are in the club but just refuse to post over here. its very strange

    Yeah, it's funny how there's "too cool for school" clubs within each "circle." I started originally posting on RM like eight years ago and the die hards over there are so adamant as to why they don't post here. It's pretty funny - allegiances to message boards.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    Solat13 wrote:
    I'm staying here. Don't have enough time to go between two boards and catch up.

    I'm just surprised that so many people used to post on here that weren't fan club members.


    i was shocked at that too. theres also a lot of people over there who are in the club but just refuse to post over here. its very strange

    Yeah, it's funny how there's "too cool for school" clubs within each "circle." I started originally posting on RM like eight years ago and the die hards over there are so adamant as to why they don't post here. It's pretty funny - allegiances to message boards.

    i never really liked rm. i remember when a bunch of people left for that board years ago. i lurked for a bit but just didnt really care for it much
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    petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    Yeah...I'm staying here as well
    Shows:
    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Ummm I would just like to reiterate that the 2008 Phillies had the best playoff winning percentage since the inception of the wild card along with the '99 Yankees.....Yeah, this team is that good. And I give Amaro a A++ so far.
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Ummm I would just like to reiterate that the 2008 Phillies had the best playoff winning percentage since the inception of the wild card along with the '99 Yankees.....Yeah, this team is that good. And I give Amaro a A++ so far. Carry on....
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,501
    what is this talk of nomar garciapara? i have stayed away from all sports news this week...can anyone fill me in?
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    Ummm I would just like to reiterate that the 2008 Phillies had the best playoff winning percentage since the inception of the wild card along with the '99 Yankees.....Yeah, this team is that good. And I give Amaro a A++ so far. Carry on....

    I don't like the signing of Ibanez. You get an older LF with range problems who is an additional lefty bat in lefty heavy lineup. Other than that he hasn't done much.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
    Solat13 wrote:
    Ummm I would just like to reiterate that the 2008 Phillies had the best playoff winning percentage since the inception of the wild card along with the '99 Yankees.....Yeah, this team is that good. And I give Amaro a A++ so far. Carry on....

    I don't like the signing of Ibanez. You get an older LF with range problems who is an additional lefty bat in lefty heavy lineup. Other than that he hasn't done much.

    He hasn't done much? Well, whatever....I'm tellin ya, Ibanez is a better player than Burrell and LF in The Bank isn't that hard to play.
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    petrocspetrocs Posts: 4,342
    what is this talk of nomar garciapara? i have stayed away from all sports news this week...can anyone fill me in?

    Just talk...the Phils were waiting on Nomar to make a decision on whether hes playing ball next year
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    9/24/96 MD. 9/28/96 Randalls. 8/28-29/98 Camden. 9/8/98 NJ. 9/18/98 MD. 9/1-2/00 Camden. 9/4/00 MD. 4/28/03 Philly. 7/5-6/03 Camden. 9/30/05 AC.
    10/3/05 Philly. 5/27-28/06 Camden. 6/23/06 Pitt. 6/19-20/08 Camden. 6/24/08 MSG. 8/7/08 EV Newark, NJ. 6/11-12/09 EV Philly, PA. 10/27-28-30-31/09 Philly, PA., 5/15/10 Hartford,5/17/10 Boston, 5/18/10 Newark, 5/20-21/10 MSG
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    Solat13Solat13 Philadelphia Posts: 6,996
    Solat13 wrote:
    Ummm I would just like to reiterate that the 2008 Phillies had the best playoff winning percentage since the inception of the wild card along with the '99 Yankees.....Yeah, this team is that good. And I give Amaro a A++ so far. Carry on....

    I don't like the signing of Ibanez. You get an older LF with range problems who is an additional lefty bat in lefty heavy lineup. Other than that he hasn't done much.

    He hasn't done much? Well, whatever....I'm tellin ya, Ibanez is a better player than Burrell and LF in The Bank isn't that hard to play.

    What has he done besides trading for a backup C, signing Chan Ho Park and Ibanez, and negotiating with arbitration eligible players. Trading Golson for Newberry isn't a big move and everyone knew they were going to resign Moyer.

    He's not done any signature move yet except the Ibanez signing and I think he's a good player but not the best fit for the lineup. You're going into a season where your best righty bat is Werth and that's a little risky if you ask me. And now you have lineup issues. Do you bat lefties 3,4,5 or do you stick Werth there at 5 as protection for Howard which case Howard will see very little to hit.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
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    Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 16,832
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    pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,300
    What has he done besides trading for a backup C, signing Chan Ho Park and Ibanez, and negotiating with arbitration eligible players. Trading Golson for Newberry isn't a big move and everyone knew they were going to resign Moyer.


    Signing Hamels to a 3-year deal was huge. Remember how unhappy Hamels was last year when he only got $500K? Locking him up for 3 years is a great deal by Amaro.

    oh and watched again on Comcast the perfect season Phils dvd and still gives me chills to see the final out and pictures from the parade.
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    chromiamchromiam Posts: 4,114
    The lack of RH batters does scare me about the Phils lineup especially late in games where you can throw out a lefty reliever to face the heart of the order.
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    5/23/2011- An utter embarrassment... ticketing failures too many to list.
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