Immigration

know1 · December 2006

I say "come one, come all"....and make it easy to become a legal citizen. If you don't like people who truly want to be here and contribute, then go somewhere else.

dkst0426 · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

all americans are immigrants; but i agree with most of what you say. here in arizona we have laws to protect us. you have to prove you're in this country legally; anyone rendering aid to an illegal goes to jail. if an EMT comes to a scene of an accident and offers aid to an illegal; they go to jail. the law says you leave them to die or go to jail. these are propositions the tax payers voted in because they are tired of paying for these people. as more states have bigger problems they will enact laws too.

I'd like to ask if you could please verify this, because as a former EMT, that's quite alarming, and I've searched a good bit for reports confirming this and have been unsuccessful.

know1 · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

all americans are immigrants; but i agree with most of what you say. here in arizona we have laws to protect us. you have to prove you're in this country legally; anyone rendering aid to an illegal goes to jail. if an EMT comes to a scene of an accident and offers aid to an illegal; they go to jail. the law says you leave them to die or go to jail. these are propositions the tax payers voted in because they are tired of paying for these people. as more states have bigger problems they will enact laws too.

I'm tired of paying for a lot of people and problems that have nothing to do with immigration. By this so-called logic in the post above, perhaps I should let those people die if they need help?

onelongsong · December 2006

know1 wrote:

I say "come one, come all"....and make it easy to become a legal citizen. If you don't like people who truly want to be here and contribute, then go somewhere else.

go where? try sneeking into any other country and you get shot.

onelongsong · December 2006

dkst0426 wrote:

I'd like to ask if you could please verify this, because as a former EMT, that's quite alarming, and I've searched a good bit for reports confirming this and have been unsuccessful.

i believe this was voted in the 2000 general election. proposition 200 or 201 i think. try the arizona legislature website. it may still be in the supreme court as emts and law enforcement need to authenticate a persons legal status before rendering aid. their grounds are/were that a legal citizen's aid could be delayed while their legal status is being verified. if i have time over the weekend i'll search and try to find a link for you.

even flow? · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

I've said some things about immigration that some on this board have been disgusted by. I would like to have further discussion of this issue. I've said that immigration should be lessened because the baggage that third world immigrants are bringing with them is detrimental to our economy and government.

It is my view that illegal immigration, as well as legal immigration from most third world countries, is hurting the United States immensely.

The vast majority of immigrants from third world countries (especially south america) are at or around the poverty line. They come to America with little if any education and immediately begin receiving various government services. 40 percent of all illegal immigrants are working for cash and not paying taxes.

They also tend toward crime more than real americans: 75 percent of the people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

They're hard workers? In Los Angeles (where many illegal aliens live), less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare. How the hell are they on welfare when they don't pay taxes and are not citizens? We let them. Maybe if we kicked them off it, they'd tell all their friends not to come.

What happens to a social welfare system that allows massive immigration from third world countries whose people are poor and uneducated? That social welfare system collapses. Our system cannot handle this burden. It was one thing in the early 1900s when our system wasn't as full of welfare and entitlements as it is now.

You need to increase the number of rich people paying taxes while you increase immigration from poor countries. In 1990, hispanics accounted for 9 percent of the population. Today, they account for 14.4 percent. This is all from immigration folks.

I'm not being a xenophobe - I'm putting out the simple fact that we cannot afford to pay for all of these people's medical expenses, welfare needs, and education.

This country is going down the tubes and the Republicans and Democrats are pulling us down.

Grab a hammer and chisel and head on over to Ellis Island to change the greeting on Ms. Liberty.

josevolution · December 2006

well i will say that i consider my self an immigrant since i did come here not being a resident way back in 1971 since then i have become a citizen i vote pay taxes never been arrested so i feel for all these folks that have to leave their birth places but really they don't have to many choices since their own countries are worst off than us here in the states people are not coming here just to leave their own countries they reall see no other way to make a living where they live ,just think about it for a moment imagine having to leave the US because we could not make a living it would suck no ????? so yes something has to be done to curtail the problem and i wish i had the answers but i don't ...........

onelongsong · December 2006

sponger wrote:

I hate to sound cliche, but immigration as we know it is the slave trade. Immigrants have no workers' rights. They can't form unions, they can't sue an employer for rights violations, contract violations...etc. So, employers pay them whatever they feel like paying them and treat them however they feel like treating them.

The result is the median wage being kept below the inflation rate, contributing to the gaps between the social classes. And that's where I see the problem.

And people say that illegals are filling jobs that Americans don't want. I think the ansewr to that is that they're jobs that Americans don't want to do for the wages that employers want to pay because they can always hire an illegal to do it cheaper.

And when we purchase services or products from businesses that employ illegals, we put money into the pockets of people who send a lot of that money back to Mexico instead of recirculating it back into our economy.

This, of course, slows the market, which in turn creates an across-the-board wage reduction while business owners pocket the profits from lower salary expenses, thus contributing to the gap between the classes.

great start. let's talk about the pregnant women who sneek over to birth an american citizen and therefore get to stay and enjoy welfare and medical services at the taxpayers expense. to us; welfare is something to look down on. to a mexican making pennies a day it's like hitting the lottery.
those who say illegals pay taxes they can't file for a return to get back; thus putting money in the governments pockets; how much taxes are taken from a $200/week paycheck? furthermore; a check cannot be issued without a social security number so most of the illegals are being paid cash.
california jails are filled with illegals that the taxpayers pay up to $80,000/year to house each. this takes money from services legal citizens deserve.
a friends wife works for a large hospital in phoenix and millions are written off for services to illegals not paying their bills; thus the high cost of healthcare and the biggest support for the proposition.
this is just the beginning of what illegals are costing YOU.

CorporateWhore · December 2006

even flow? wrote:

Grab a hammer and chisel and head on over to Ellis Island to change the greeting on Ms. Liberty.

Trust me, I would.

The french can take their damn plaque back.

I don't want huddled masses...or poor or hungry. I want educated people who are willing to work and bust their ass and not steal my tax dollars.

onelongsong · December 2006

josevolution wrote:

well i will say that i consider my self an immigrant since i did come here not being a resident way back in 1971 since then i have become a citizen i vote pay taxes never been arrested so i feel for all these folks that have to leave their birth places but really they don't have to many choices since their own countries are worst off than us here in the states people are not coming here just to leave their own countries they reall see no other way to make a living where they live ,just think about it for a moment imagine having to leave the US because we could not make a living it would suck no ????? so yes something has to be done to curtail the problem and i wish i had the answers but i don't ...........

i honor those who wait in line to immigrate legally. my grandfather had a dream to come to america and did it the legal way. we're all immigrants but there's a legal way to do it. i hope you find the american dream. if you came here legally; you deserve it.

CorporateWhore · December 2006

What's the immigration situation in Australia? It's a similar type of country to America: who immigrates there and how many are allowed in?

onelongsong · December 2006

MrBrian wrote:

People who vote and support these things seem to be the uneducated ones. It was also not the illegals who voted for these waste of time wars and waste of time politicians. The avg american seems to be what's hurting America the most.

it passed overwhelmingly. with great support from legal mexican immigrants. illegals hurt the legal immigrants as much as any other citizen.

lalalalaaaaaaaa · December 2006

CorporateWhore wrote:

I've said some things about immigration that some on this board have been disgusted by. I would like to have further discussion of this issue. I've said that immigration should be lessened because the baggage that third world immigrants are bringing with them is detrimental to our economy and government.

It is my view that illegal immigration, as well as legal immigration from most third world countries, is hurting the United States immensely.

The vast majority of immigrants from third world countries (especially south america) are at or around the poverty line. They come to America with little if any education and immediately begin receiving various government services. 40 percent of all illegal immigrants are working for cash and not paying taxes.

They also tend toward crime more than real americans: 75 percent of the people on L.A.'s most-wanted list are illegal aliens.

They're hard workers? In Los Angeles (where many illegal aliens live), less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops but 29 percent are on welfare. How the hell are they on welfare when they don't pay taxes and are not citizens? We let them. Maybe if we kicked them off it, they'd tell all their friends not to come.

What happens to a social welfare system that allows massive immigration from third world countries whose people are poor and uneducated? That social welfare system collapses. Our system cannot handle this burden. It was one thing in the early 1900s when our system wasn't as full of welfare and entitlements as it is now.

You need to increase the number of rich people paying taxes while you increase immigration from poor countries. In 1990, hispanics accounted for 9 percent of the population. Today, they account for 14.4 percent. This is all from immigration folks.

I'm not being a xenophobe - I'm putting out the simple fact that we cannot afford to pay for all of these people's medical expenses, welfare needs, and education.

This country is going down the tubes and the Republicans and Democrats are pulling us down.

I agree with your last sentence, but if you wanna complain about where your tax dollars are going, you should probably be bitching a lot more about the military budget and corporate welfare, not social welfare. Social welfare spending doesn't even come close.

And the problem you're really talking about isn't illegal aliens, it's poverty. All the symptoms you described for illegal aliens are the same for poor legal citizens...they tend more to crime, they're more likely to get a cash-paying job and not pay taxes (think about who pays them in cash too...why not go after them?), etc. Even if all the illegal aliens were deported, we'd still have a rising poverty problem.

And let's not forget most of the people living below the poverty level and sucking up welfare are not illegal hispanics...they're native-born white people. And the overal poverty level is lower than it was 40 years ago. To say illegal hispanics are sucking up all the welfare money and hurting our economy is just wrong.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.pdf

onelongsong · December 2006

melodious wrote:

not that I agree with anything says about fences and borders, but my question is Why do you find it so important to build these damn fence? Why don't you spend money on helping our children learn free thinking? while you all talk about constraints, your future is at stake...

now....a right-winger told me that he feels borders should be in place becasue of distribution of resources...and another point was that it's against human rights to allow people to come into country undocumented becasue of their uncertification, they have no ablility to benefit or thrive...meaning as illegal stauts the only work available is menial...you don't see non documented doctors or pharmacists, aye????

love ya jammers; thanks for talking about my favorite subject...well it's not a favorite, but most definitely passionate; second to cannabis...1st to humantiy....

WHY? because the problem is that illegals take money from programs that could go to needy children. try sneeking into mexico. you're showered in automatic weapon fire. why protect the border? drugs and guns. it's not just people coming into this country. many of you cry BAN GUNS; but guess what; you can only ban the legal ones. you can't ban what you don't know exists.
our future is at stake; and don't forget to press one for english.

onelongsong · December 2006

Saturnal wrote:

I agree with your last sentence, but if you wanna complain about where your tax dollars are going, you should probably be bitching a lot more about the military budget and corporate welfare, not social welfare. Social welfare spending doesn't even come close.

And the problem you're really talking about isn't illegal aliens, it's poverty. All the symptoms you described for illegal aliens are the same for poor legal citizens...they tend more to crime, they're more likely to get a cash-paying job and not pay taxes (think about who pays them in cash too...why not go after them?), etc. Even if all the illegal aliens were deported, we'd still have a rising poverty problem.

And let's not forget most of the people living below the poverty level and sucking up welfare are not illegal hispanics...they're native-born white people. And the overal poverty level is lower than it was 40 years ago. To say illegal hispanics are sucking up all the welfare money and hurting our economy is just wrong.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p60-231.pdf

try living in a border state and tell me where the money goes.

josevolution · December 2006

even now when i travel back to CHILE where i was born i ask my self man what a beautyfull country it is, why would my father wan't to leave it and the thruth is he had to it's hard to make a good living there so i thank him every day for having the nerve to leave and coming here to start a new life he made that decision with me and my siblings in mind so i do feel for those faces i see everyday standing there waiting just to see if they can make a days pay it's sad because most of those people have left some one they really care for back in there home countries ...........happy new years everybody.........

redrock · December 2006

bryanfury wrote:

with so many americans in need, we have to make sure we're looking out for our legals first and foremost.

So do you propose that americans should get the jobs first? Should americans be forced to work a job because there is a vacancy (ie. looking out for 'our legals' first - giving them a job)? How would that work? Tell them to take the job that is available (and that they can do) or no more welfare? When all these americans capable of working have filled as many vacancies as possible, will it then be OK for the legal immigrants, then the legal immigrants to 'take' the jobs left?

Collin · December 2006

onelongsong wrote:

go where? try sneeking into any other country and you get shot.

Sure :rolleyes:

onelongsong · December 2006

redrock wrote:

So do you propose that americans should get the jobs first? Should americans be forced to work a job because there is a vacancy (ie. looking out for 'our legals' first - giving them a job)? How would that work? Tell them to take the job that is available (and that they can do) or no more welfare? When all these americans capable of working have filled as many vacancies as possible, will it then be OK for the legal immigrants, then the legal immigrants to 'take' the jobs left?

are we forgetting that entering this country is illegal and thus these illegals are CRIMINALS? so yes; lets put law abiding citizens above criminals.

CorporateWhore · December 2006

Collin wrote:

Sure :rolleyes:

Mexico is brutal to illegal immigrants in their country. They want to maintain their ethnic composition.

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