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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    sicnevol wrote:
    indeed, refer to my first post.
    okey dokey!
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  • momofglynn
    momofglynn Posts: 849
    gue_barium wrote:
    You're not giving much proof to back your statement. At best, you're making the assumption that "atheists" don't understand prayer. I don't think this is so.

    It's not that they don't understand, it's not wanted or needed. It's like unwanted advice.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    know1 wrote:
    I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious.
    What about agnostic people? Does god make them sit on the stairs halfway between heaven and hell to think about what they've done???
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    What about agnostic people? Does god make them sit on the stairs halfway between heaven and hell to think about what they've done???

    i think it would be cool to get a time-out from god....;)..............i probably deserve it.......:)
  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    gue_barium wrote:
    You're not giving much proof to back your statement. At best, you're making the assumption that "atheists" don't understand prayer. I don't think this is so.
    okay, here is a hypotetical situation for you,


    Lets say I am a satianist, And I know that you are A Christian. I then tell you that I'll pray to satan for you, because you are so confused and blind, and I just want you to see the light.

    Wouldn't that be disrespectful to you? You wouldn't see that as insulting, because thats basicly what you are doing to an atheist.


    Ps Just to head this one off, no thats not any diffrent, and no I am not a satinist.
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    cutback wrote:
    i think it would be cool to get a time-out from god....;)..............i probably deserve it.......:)
    lol, but seriously. I don't believe in God, but I don't not believe in him. I am totally accepting of him if he is the truth, but I have no evidence besides people telling me who want to believe in him.. If there really is a god, I'm sure he'd understand why people might be confused. If not, then he's an asshole. I have a hard time believe god would be an asshole.
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    lol, but seriously. I don't believe in God, but I don't not believe in him. I am totally accepting of him if he is the truth, but I have no evidence besides people telling me who want to believe in him.. If there really is a god, I'm sure he'd understand why people might be confused. If not, then he's an asshole. I have a hard time believe god would be an asshole.

    i agree 100%.........i have no problem with god or religion.........from a historical perspective its fascinating......and the main thing i got from my catholic upbringing was that god loves me.........i don't have a problem with that...:)
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    sicnevol wrote:
    okay, here is a hypotetical situation for you,


    Lets say I am a satianist, And I know that you are A Christian. I then tell you that I'll pray to satan for you, because you are so confused and blind, and I just want you to see the light.

    Wouldn't that be disrespectful to you? You wouldn't see that as insulting, because thats basicly what you are doing to an atheist.


    Ps Just to head this one off, no thats not any diffrent, and no I am not a satinist.

    That's an interesting evolution to your original post.

    I guess all I can tell you is that I believe Humans are all pretty much the same, regardless of what traditions are practiced and are come to be known as truth in the vocabulary. We all have the same basic needs, regardless of stories.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    momofglynn wrote:
    if an atheist doesn't believe, what the heck would they need prayer for. What is prayer? To pray? To atheist is means nothing more than a waste of time, and quite frankly I would think insulting to them. Insulting=disrespecting to me.

    Atheists might meditate, which is effectively the same thing.

    I'd like to make a distinction between atheist and anti-theist. For example, I am a borderline anti-theist.
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    gue_barium wrote:
    That's an interesting evolution to your original post.

    I guess all I can tell you is that I believe Humans are all pretty much the same, regardless of what traditions are practiced and are come to be known as truth in the vocabulary. We all have the same basic needs, regardless of stories.
    how so? I am attempting to describe to you, how I feel when someone tells me that they will pray for me. I have no problem that you believe in god, I have a problem in the fact that because i don't I am to be pitied and looked down on.

    That is what bothers me, not that fact that jesus is your savior.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    lol, but seriously. I don't believe in God, but I don't not believe in him. I am totally accepting of him if he is the truth, but I have no evidence besides people telling me who want to believe in him.. If there really is a god, I'm sure he'd understand why people might be confused. If not, then he's an asshole. I have a hard time believe god would be an asshole.

    Take dimethyltryptamine and you will believe in God. It's such a potent hallucinigen that people claim "true experiences" or experiences they believe are true. DMT can be extracted from grass with a home chemistry set.

    Alex Gray is an artists who depicts these religious experiences

    http://www.iamshaman.com/galleries/gray/images/image_01.jpg
    http://www.alexgray.com

    It's all hallucinations to me, and I'd be cautious of taking psychedelics, but people for 50,000 years have claimed to reach God with them.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Oh I forgot to mention, in recent years, DMT can get you abducted by aliens and anal probed too. I guess it all depends on what you like.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    sicnevol wrote:
    how so? I am attempting to describe to you, how I feel when someone tells me that they will pray for me. I have no problem that you believe in god, I have a problem in the fact that because i don't I am to be pitied and looked down on.

    That is what bothers me, not that fact that jesus is your savior.

    um. jesus is not my savior, and anything else that you're reading into there is totally a construct of your own imagination.
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  • prism
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh I forgot to mention, in recent years, DMT can get you abducted by aliens and anal probed too. I guess it all depends on what you like.

    in which case shouldn't "tripping balls" instead be "tripping ass?" ;)
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  • gue_barium
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    Ahnimus wrote:
    Atheists might meditate, which is effectively the same thing.

    I'd like to make a distinction between atheist and anti-theist. For example, I am a borderline anti-theist.

    "I hope" is a prayer.
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  • sicnevol
    sicnevol Posts: 180
    gue_barium wrote:
    um. jesus is not my savior, and anything else that you're reading into there is totally a construct of your own imagination.
    aplogies on that one, but you still didn;t explain how its a evolution from my first post.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    sicnevol wrote:
    aplogies on that one, but you still didn;t explain how its a evolution from my first post.

    I didn't know you were asking.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    gue_barium wrote:
    "I hope" is a prayer.

    Is it?

    I take it to mean; I would like for the universal chance to work in favor.

    Luck?

    Does an Abrahamist believe in luck?

    According to St. Augustine good things happen to good people and bad things to bad people. That hardly leaves room for chance. Or is this like free-will where it's limited, partly God's will and partly luck?
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Is it?

    I take it to mean; I would like for the universal chance to work in favor.

    Luck?

    Does an Abrahamist believe in luck?

    According to St. Augustine good things happen to good people and bad things to bad people. That hardly leaves room for chance. Or is this like free-will where it's limited, partly God's will and partly luck?
    well, as you know I am an avid believer in God. I also believe that we live by chance. Is that possible?
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    you are a little naughty.

    If that's how you've interpreted it, then yes, perhaps I can be. :)
    NOPE!!!

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