Why Do Athiests

onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?

    Personally i don't feel sorry for atheists. i simply disagree. they don't need me to feel sorry for them. As far as your main question regarding the anger, i will stay away from blanket indictments as there are some atheists who are respectful and simply agree to disagree, but, in regards to the others, it is because they are hypocrites.
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  • cornnifercornnifer Posts: 2,130
    cornnifer wrote:
    Personally i don't feel sorry for atheists. i simply disagree. they don't need me to feel sorry for them. As far as your main question regarding the anger, i will stay away from blanket indictments as there are some atheists who are respectful and simply agree to disagree, but, in regards to the others, it is because they are hypocrites.

    i might also add insecure in their disbelief.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i see it both ways ...
  • bharQbharQ Posts: 1,201
    its not anything against anyone personally.. your faith is your faith.. its anger toward massive unnecessary bloodshed due to 2000 year old religions that were thought up by barbaric less evolved people
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  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    polaris wrote:
    i see it both ways ...

    i agree. if you believe you are right; why do you need to press the issue with others that don't believe the same as you?
  • onelongsongonelongsong Posts: 3,517
    bharQ wrote:
    its not anything against anyone personally.. your faith is your faith.. its anger toward massive unnecessary bloodshed due to 2000 year old religions that were thought up by barbaric less evolved people

    so modern people are responsable for what people did hundreds and thousands of years ago? please explain.
  • chopitdownchopitdown Posts: 2,222
    i agree. if you believe you are right; why do you need to press the issue with others that don't believe the same as you?

    in some instances, people feel they need to show some sort of superiority or enlightenment.
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  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i agree. if you believe you are right; why do you need to press the issue with others that don't believe the same as you?

    actually, i meant i've seen people of faith talk down to people who don't have faith as well ...
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    Some people may just find it hard to listen to somebody go on about a god of which nobody has ever seen. Then the other side counters with the fact that that is what faith is. And then the circle keeps rolling from there. Of course you get your hardcore, softcore and jokesters throughout the thread.
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  • crittablescrittables Posts: 342
    so modern people are responsable for what people did hundreds and thousands of years ago? please explain.



    well modern people are still causing bloodshed over religions that were thought up thousands of years ago. i think thats what he/she was getting at.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Christianity is a cult.

    Originally a minority, the Christians slaughtered millions of people throughout history who did not share their beliefs. To this day, non-Christians are chastized in our cultures.

    God is the sky and Christ is the Sun.

    The rest is all non-sense, a tool to control the minds of others and if there minds would not submit to the Word, then they were killed.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Christianity is a cult.

    Originally a minority, the Christians slaughtered millions of people throughout history who did not share their beliefs. To this day, non-Christians are chastized in our cultures.

    God is the sky and Christ is the Sun.

    The rest is all non-sense, a tool to control the minds of others and if there minds would not submit to the Word, then they were killed.

    What if I, as a Christian, think all killing is wrong and have not nor ever would participate in something like that? Is my religion so harmful to you then?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • crittablescrittables Posts: 342
    know1 wrote:
    What if I, as a Christian, think all killing is wrong and have not nor ever would participate in something like that? Is my religion so harmful to you then?


    that's nice that you don't believe in killing, but you aren't the only christian out there.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious.

    Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,201
    to each his own i have no problem with anybody of religious beliefs or nonbeliefs as long as you don't try to shove it down my throat .......
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?

    Yes.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    know1 wrote:
    What if I, as a Christian, think all killing is wrong and have not nor ever would participate in something like that? Is my religion so harmful to you then?

    Do you fight against abortion and homosexuality? Do you fight to preserve your Christian traditions in our societies? Do you obscure the truth of Christianity by regurjitating the word of the Bible?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    to each his own i have no problem with anybody of religious beliefs or nonbeliefs as long as you don't try to shove it down my throat .......

    Do you consider starting thread after thread after thread denouncing or trying to disprove religion "shoving it down people's throats"?

    (not saying you do this personally)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?

    Approx. 10,000
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  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    Yes.

    And there is the answer to the orginal question. No, I don't feel I, an agnostic, display anger toward very many people of religion. Any anger toward people is misplaced, but my frustration with it is the absolute arrogance that of all the religions there are, mine is the right one. Not only that, but the extremely dark and freightening arrogance associated with not only believing that all others are definately wrong, but that for being wrong, they are going to spend in eternity in pain.

    Honestly, I don't think that most people that identify themselves as Christians even believe that, but those that do...that is what I cannot stand. If they don't make it a topic, I can live with it, but if they push it, then the anger comes out, and rightly so.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Do you fight against abortion and homosexuality? Do you fight to preserve your Christian traditions in our societies? Do you obscure the truth of Christianity by regurjitating the word of the Bible?

    I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.

    As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    And there is the answer to the orginal question. No, I don't feel I, an agnostic, display anger toward very many people of religion. Any anger toward people is misplaced, but my frustration with it is the absolute arrogance that of all the religions there are, mine is the right one. Not only that, but the extremely dark and freightening arrogance associated with not only believing that all others are definately wrong, but that for being wrong, they are going to spend in eternity in pain.

    Honestly, I don't think that most people that identify themselves as Christians even believe that, but those that do...that is what I cannot stand. If they don't make it a topic, I can live with it, but if they push it, then the anger comes out, and rightly so.

    I understand what you're saying, but if I didn't believe that my faith was the right one, then I would believe in the one that I did think was right. I'm not as strict as some about beliefs, though.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Uncle LeoUncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    know1 wrote:
    I'm very much against abortion and I think homosexuality is a sin....just like any other sin that I might commit. I can't say that I "fight" against them, though.

    As to the other stuff, I'm not even sure what you mean. I don't recall quoting the bible very many times outside of church. I'm not sure I have too many Christian traditions. I go to a very liberal church and have a pretty relaxed interpretation which just means that I think it's primarily about having a personal relationship with God and accepting God as my savior.

    I question the idea that all those that do not share your religion are going to hell is a "pretty relaxed interpretation."
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  • crittablescrittables Posts: 342
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Approx. 10,000


    are you including scientology in that count?:)
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    why do athiests have so much anger toward those of religion? religious threads here turn into athiest trying to prove those of religion are wrong. why? where does this anger come from. if you tell someone of religion that you are athiest; they feel sorry for you and maybe pray for you; which is an act of compassion to them. yet athiests can't wait to jump on someone trying to prove they're wrong. they disrespect that person and thier beliefs. are these the attributes of a "good" person?
    ...
    Answer:
    "I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious."

    Quote:Originally Posted by Uncle Leo
    "Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?"
    ...
    Response: "Yes."
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    I question the idea that all those that do not share your religion are going to hell is a "pretty relaxed interpretation."

    I mean I probably allow more leeway than some others of religion. That leeway doesn't extend all the way to athiests, though ;)
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Answer:
    "I feel sorry for athiests because I believe they are ultimately going to hell unless they change. I'm not sure why any of them would care that I was religious."

    Quote:Originally Posted by Uncle Leo
    "Do you feel equally sorry for agnostics, jews, hindus, muslims and any of the "who knows how many other" religions there are?"
    ...
    Response: "Yes."

    So saying you feel sorry for them (i.e. displaying compassion) is something that's bad?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    know1 wrote:
    Do you consider starting thread after thread after thread denouncing or trying to disprove religion "shoving it down people's throats"?

    (not saying you do this personally)

    I'd still like to hear someone answer this one...
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • know1 wrote:
    I mean I probably allow more leeway than some others of religion. That leeway doesn't extend all the way to athiests, though ;)

    Leeway? Isn't it up to god to give leeway? It's that judgemental attitude that turns me off about organized religion. I believe if there is a true God, it isn't a petty, judgemental one who needs to be worshipped...it's one that knows only love, beauty, harmony and unity. Otherwise your god is a flawed one with undesirable personality traits much like humans.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
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