Gay Marriage Ban

decides2dream

know1 wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

know1 wrote:

Should we make polygamy legal as well?

NOTE: I'M NOT COMPARING HOMOSEXUALITY TO POLYGAMY, BUT RATHER SAYING THAT WE SHOULDN'T DENY THOSE ADULTS THE RIGHT TO MARRY EITHER, RIGHT?

and that dodge's the question.
bottomline is - there has not been even ONE compelling reason to deny homosexuals the rights of marriage. not one. asking if we should make polygamy legal has ZERO to do with if we should allow gays to marry. when a mixed race couple wanted the right to marriage...did you ask...should we allow children to marry...should we allow polygamy...sould we allow relatives? exactly. they have NOTHING to do with each other. so then, i say again, i have not seen ONE REASON for legal marriage to be denied homosexuals. you know it too, or you wouldn't doge the question with another question.

I phrased it as a question, but it makes a point nonetheless. Just because it was a question doesn't mean I'm dodging the question.

I've already stated earlier in the thread that I'm not opposed to it being legal. And like you, I haven't seen a enough reasons. But I haven't seen enough reasons for or against it being legal. I think both sides' arguments are fairly weak.

but you ARe dodging the question when it's asked: give one compelling reason for homosexuals not to be given the right to legal marriage...and you answer with 'should we make polygamy legal?' THAt is NOT an answer. you see? it may make a point, but it does NOT MATTER in the discussion. the discussion, and what is up for debate here, and out in the world is simply....


should homosexuals be allowed to legally marry?


that is...simply....a yes or no question.
either you say yes, or you say no.


as to BOTH sides having weak arguments, i STRONGLY disagree....and i would truly appreciate you giving some examples of what is 'weak' about homosexuals fighting towards the right to marry. while you admit you can think of NO reasons to deny it, you still say you see it, equally, as being weak. and hey, i am one of the first people out there to try and see both sides of an issue, and/or oftentimes accused of not taking a stand - but that is usually on issues that are entirely individual, and thus, up to individuals. when it comes to LAW, while i certainly believe in following what is RIGHT while ALSO following your personal beliefs, i am totally against discrimination, and no matter what one personally believes, one should not support discrimination of others, as that is entirely AGAINST what our country is about.

homosexuals are denied the right of marriage SOLEY on their sexual orientation.
that is a discriminatory practice.
therefore homosexuals should be afforded the rights of marriage.


there is nothing 'weak' about pointing out discrimination.
so while you say you are not opposed to it, you also won;t come out and say you think they should be afforded these rights, so then my only question is.....what is your purpose?
of course, i'd still like to know what is 'weak' about the pro-gay marriage argument.

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Prince Of Dorkness

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

norm

Jasunmark wrote:

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

that vid is great....you've got a great attitude jasun...i really hope you'll be able to marry one day

Prince Of Dorkness

norm wrote:

that vid is great....you've got a great attitude jasun...i really hope you'll be able to marry one day

thanks man... I do too. And don't worry.. I will. you can slow us down but you don't stop us. We know we're in the right.

norm

Jasunmark wrote:

norm wrote:

that vid is great....you've got a great attitude jasun...i really hope you'll be able to marry one day

thanks man... I do too. And don't worry.. I will. you can slow us down but you don't stop us. We know we're in the right.

most definitely in the right!

Austicman

It's seems the animal kingdom are doing their best to show their support!!

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/821457 ... ud-parents

milarso

Jasunmark wrote:

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a long fight, but I believe you guys are going to come out on top. If it gets on a ballot in Michigan, I'll think of you and your husband when I vote for gay marriage.

Prince Of Dorkness

milarso wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a long fight, but I believe you guys are going to come out on top. If it gets on a ballot in Michigan, I'll think of you and your husband when I vote for gay marriage.

thanks very much. It really does make me feel that there's hope for mankind in America when I see such great support from people who really.. have pretty much nothing to gain by supporting me other than knowing they did the right thing.

It's evolution, baby.

soulsinging

Jasunmark wrote:

milarso wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a long fight, but I believe you guys are going to come out on top. If it gets on a ballot in Michigan, I'll think of you and your husband when I vote for gay marriage.

thanks very much. It really does make me feel that there's hope for mankind in America when I see such great support from people who really.. have pretty much nothing to gain by supporting me other than knowing they did the right thing.

It's evolution, baby.

I truly hope to have the chance to vote to repeal our ban in Ohio sometime in the not so distant future. But I have to be honest, I won't be thinking of you and your husband when I do. I'll be thinking of gorgeous blonde women with perfect bodies doing nasty things to each other... I'm only human!

whitepants

milarso wrote:

Jasunmark wrote:

Sorry.. I've been singing this all day after being told I should leave my husband and enter a sham, fake marriage of convienice so the poor straight boy doesn't have to give away his "better than me" status.

Hang in there, bro. It's going to be a long fight, but I believe you guys are going to come out on top. If it gets on a ballot in Michigan, I'll think of you and your husband when I vote for gay marriage.

Word! me too.

Anon

soulsinging wrote:

I truly hope to have the chance to vote to repeal our ban in Ohio sometime in the not so distant future. But I have to be honest, I won't be thinking of you and your husband when I do. I'll be thinking of gorgeous blonde women with perfect bodies doing nasty things to each other... I'm only human!

Angelina Jolie and Megan Fox. Not blonde but yum. Nothing wrong with dreaming is there?

Prince Of Dorkness

soulsinging wrote:

I'll be thinking of gorgeous blonde women with perfect bodies doing nasty things to each other... I'm only human!

It's cool. I also occasionally think of Wentworth Miller and TR Knight and who would carry whom across the threshold.

PearlJain

norm wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

The government should have no say in marriage anyway.

should have no say in practically everything



makes me sick to be a californian....and we're supposed to be the "left coast"....not so much when iowa is more liberal than us

California..............the "I.O.U" State. Not really funny. Being a non- Lib - I still believe in same-sex marriage as well as their right to adopt children............many gay friends whom would provide a very loving home to children - contrary to popular belief - better a "Loving" homelife" versus an "Abusive" one.) I remain pro-life (I am "Agnostic") but I still try my best to respect those whom are "pro-choice) There is room in this world for all of us.

JR8805

I don't know about gay "marriage." Marriage has religious overtones that may be insurmountable. The Bible says that sex with someone of the same gender is an abomination. Of course, it says eating a shrimp is an abomination, too. Practically everyone agrees that eating shrimp and other crustaceans, bivalves, etc., is too yummy to pass up, so we sensibly choose to ignore that part of the Bible (which presumably we shouldn't take seriously 'cause it's just a little out there in left field) and load up at the seafood bar. But, we like the one about keeping same sex people off each other because most of us don't see that as quite as yummy for ourselves as scampi or thermidor. Plus, it gives us a "them," which in turn gifts us with an "us"--and you know, that's always quite a gift you can give yourself--someone to be better than and in turn have more rights than because we're going to heaven, even if we have a mouthful of lobster in our craws at the time we kick off.

Here's what I think should be done about the "marriage" thing...everyone should have civil unions. Those who wish to layer something over the top of the civil union to make it right for themselves, should do so. This should include gay couples who want some church's approval, when they can get it. But the legal union should be the civil union. The religious union should be between a couple and their god. That way, religions that do not want to join gay people don't have to and everyone can be "married" who want to be in the American Way--serial monogamy, well a kind of monogamy, that also includes a lot of philandering and a better than 50% divorce rate. But, it's the right thing and a desirable and good thing because we do it. Like the shrimp bit. Leviticus 11:9-12 "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."

PearlJain

JR8805 wrote:

I don't know about gay "marriage." Marriage has religious overtones that may be insurmountable. The Bible says that sex with someone of the same gender is an abomination. Of course, it says eating a shrimp is an abomination, too. Practically everyone agrees that eating shrimp and other crustaceans, bivalves, etc., is too yummy to pass up, so we sensibly choose to ignore that part of the Bible (which presumably we shouldn't take seriously 'cause it's just a little out there in left field) and load up at the seafood bar. But, we like the one about keeping same sex people off each other because most of us don't see that as quite as yummy for ourselves as scampi or thermidor. Plus, it gives us a "them," which in turn gifts us with an "us"--and you know, that's always quite a gift you can give yourself--someone to be better than and in turn have more rights than because we're going to heaven, even if we have a mouthful of lobster in our craws at the time we kick off.

Here's what I think should be done about the "marriage" thing...everyone should have civil unions. Those who wish to layer something over the top of the civil union to make it right for themselves, should do so. This should include gay couples who want some church's approval, when they can get it. But the legal union should be the civil union. The religious union should be between a couple and their god. That way, religions that do not want to join gay people don't have to and everyone can be "married" who want to be in the American Way--serial monogamy, well a kind of monogamy, that also includes a lot of philandering and a better than 50% divorce rate. But, it's the right thing and a desirable and good thing because we do it. Like the shrimp bit. Leviticus 11:9-12 "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."

I see and actually do understand your point of view (While MOST on here won't). I am kind of on the "weird" side - as I am anti-Leftist (also anti-Rightist), I'm not a "Bible-Thumper," I personally don't care for organized (Christian) religeon - because they tend to be "Extremely" judgmental (some will say I am, too)- but "Christian's" are always first in line at the Liquor store - when church ends. Very Double Standard - at least some. What is the difference between "Civil Unions" and "Marriage." It's when people want to start marrying animals and stuff that I absolutley must oppose. There are so many wonderul "gay" people/ couples, You probably know some - perhaps you just don't know. And my opinion means nothing anyway.

norm

congrats north carolina...good to see you're keeping up the ignorant southern stereotype...what's next? white only areas? :roll:

brianlux

norm wrote:

congrats north carolina...good to see you're keeping up the ignorant southern stereotype...what's next? white only areas? :roll:

Bummer. Unfortunately it's not just the south- "liberal" Oregon and California basically did the same thing.

norm

brianlux wrote:

norm wrote:

congrats north carolina...good to see you're keeping up the ignorant southern stereotype...what's next? white only areas? :roll:

Bummer. Unfortunately it's not just the south- "liberal" Oregon and California basically did the same thing.

i know it's just really disheartening that this is happening at all...i guess there is still a large portion of society that will continue to wallow in their ignorance and hate...sad, really

Tom K

I am completely in favor of gay marriage...

but I have a question.. I have no answer for this question and maybe someone can provide me with some insight into how they feel...

How do we rectify perceived wrongs made by a democratic vote?
Is it "un-democratic" for the supreme court to declare a law unconstitutional that was passed by popular vote?