Gay Marriage Ban

Prince Of Dorkness

pandora wrote:

This for thousands of years ... it is marriage.

definition

marriage...
"the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc."

Oh, I know how much you want to repeat that until people believe it. But it's just simply not true.

A proponent of the law yesterday stated perhaps the gay community could leave marriage as is
and establish a new amendment, giving a new name for the union of same sex couples
with the same legal rights.

Hm. then why does the law say that NO other entity can be equal to "marriage between one man and one woman?"

Or... wait... did they forget to read the amendment before voting for it?

Prince Of Dorkness

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

[I agree with this to a point. I think any and all peoples should be allowed to enter into a civil union, and forgo marriage in the truest sense. In essence, marriage is a religious union, is it not?

Mine isn't. I got married at city hall in Toronto and there was a big line of straight people waiting to get married the same way. I have a civil marriage. Not a religious one.

Evangelicals do not have a monopoly on the word "marriage" and there are plenty of religions that DO recognize gay couples. So who's religion do we use as a guide?

Prince, does the gay community by and large want to be recognized as "married", or do they only care about their equal rights under the laws of civil unions?

Civil Unions only offer about 20% of the rights and protections and responsibilities and resources of marriage. And besides... "Separate But Equal" is not "equal."

Godfather.

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea I'm just not in the know about the gay stuff infact I asked my friend why did she do the domestic partner thing and she shook her head and said "beats the fuck out of me but I'll never do it again", so really all this stuff is just confusing to me.

Godfather.

would you have asked a straight friend why 'they did the domestic partner thing'? i dont get where youre coming from with this godfather. tis as if you see gays as different from straights. people are people and speaking generally we all want love. we all want companionship.. we all want to find that person who values us and thinks were awesome... even a misanthrope like me wants those things. gay, straight, swinging like the doors of a wild west saloon... it doesnt matter.

...well how I see them don't matter much, but what I ment is that they have a domestic partnership now so why complicate with a leagle marrige ?

Godfather.

catefrances

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea I'm just not in the know about the gay stuff infact I asked my friend why did she do the domestic partner thing and she shook her head and said "beats the fuck out of me but I'll never do it again", so really all this stuff is just confusing to me.

Godfather.

would you have asked a straight friend why 'they did the domestic partner thing'? i dont get where youre coming from with this godfather. tis as if you see gays as different from straights. people are people and speaking generally we all want love. we all want companionship.. we all want to find that person who values us and thinks were awesome... even a misanthrope like me wants those things. gay, straight, swinging like the doors of a wild west saloon... it doesnt matter.

...well how I see them don't matter much, but what I ment is that they have a domestic partnership now so why complicate with a leagle marrige ?

Godfather.

aah gotcha. maybe the answer is cause it seems like a good idea at the time? lotta peeps get married cause of that.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... MrLd2zMBpQ

Interesting.....

ComeToTX

USA, where we let a book that was written by who the fuck knows control our laws.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

ComeToTX wrote:

USA, where we let a book that was written by who the fuck knows control our laws.

I may be wrong here...

193 countries...
10 allow gay marriage.....

I may be wrong....

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

[I agree with this to a point. I think any and all peoples should be allowed to enter into a civil union, and forgo marriage in the truest sense. In essence, marriage is a religious union, is it not?

Mine isn't. I got married at city hall in Toronto and there was a big line of straight people waiting to get married the same way. I have a civil marriage. Not a religious one.

Evangelicals do not have a monopoly on the word "marriage" and there are plenty of religions that DO recognize gay couples. So who's religion do we use as a guide?

Prince, does the gay community by and large want to be recognized as "married", or do they only care about their equal rights under the laws of civil unions?

Civil Unions only offer about 20% of the rights and protections and responsibilities and resources of marriage. And besides... "Separate But Equal" is not "equal."

what I mean is, did marriage not start out as a religious union? does it matter to you what it's called as long as it is recognized legally as the same thing?

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Godfather. wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

yea I'm just not in the know about the gay stuff infact I asked my friend why did she do the domestic partner thing and she shook her head and said "beats the fuck out of me but I'll never do it again", so really all this stuff is just confusing to me.

Godfather.

would you have asked a straight friend why 'they did the domestic partner thing'? i dont get where youre coming from with this godfather. tis as if you see gays as different from straights. people are people and speaking generally we all want love. we all want companionship.. we all want to find that person who values us and thinks were awesome... even a misanthrope like me wants those things. gay, straight, swinging like the doors of a wild west saloon... it doesnt matter.

...well how I see them don't matter much, but what I ment is that they have a domestic partnership now so why complicate with a leagle marrige ?

Godfather.

same exact reason straight people get married.

ComeToTX

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

USA, where we let a book that was written by who the fuck knows control our laws.

I may be wrong here...

193 countries...
10 allow gay marriage.....

I may be wrong....

Right. Not really an excuse though. Just because the rest of the world lives in the past doesn't mean we have to.

Godfather.

:silent: is golden from this point I pleed the 5th.


Godfather.

Cliffy6745

Anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, plain and simple. They can hide behind some BS bible shit all they want, but it all comes down to them being a bigot. Two dudes getting married has absolutely no impact on anyone elses lives or marriage. No one should be treated like a second class citizen.

Obama is talking to Robin Roberts this afternoon about it. Come on, be a man and do what's right and set an example.

And spare me the defintion bullshit.

ComeToTX

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, plain and simple. They can hide behind some BS bible shit all they want, but it all comes down to them being a bigot. Two dudes getting married has absolutely no impact on anyone elses lives or marriage. No one should be treated like a second class citizen.

Obama is talking to Robin Roberts this afternoon about it. Come on, be a man and do what's right and set an example.

And spare me the defintion bullshit.

Agree 100% No different than people that were against integration or different races marrying.

Cliffy6745

ComeToTX wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Anyone who opposes gay marriage is a bigot, plain and simple. They can hide behind some BS bible shit all they want, but it all comes down to them being a bigot. Two dudes getting married has absolutely no impact on anyone elses lives or marriage. No one should be treated like a second class citizen.

Obama is talking to Robin Roberts this afternoon about it. Come on, be a man and do what's right and set an example.

And spare me the defintion bullshit.

Agree 100% No different than people that were against integration or different races marrying.

Absolutely. Seperate but equal was a law and has a definition but that sure as fuck doesn't make it right.

Godfather.

the 5th.

Godfather.

norm

it's hilarious...since some people won't admit they're ignorant bigots, they bring up the definition of marriage as a defense of restricting people's rights...is 2012 or 1812? of course, if we're talking about the south, then maybe it is 1812 :roll:

Cliffy6745

norm wrote:

it's hilarious...since some people won't admit they're ignorant bigots, they bring up the definition of marriage as a defense of restricting people's rights...is 2012 or 1812? of course, if we're talking about the south, then maybe it is 1812 :roll:

Bingo

And it's even more hilarious that some talk about love and loving everyone in pretty much every post, yet want to restrict a group of people from expressing their love. Quite hypocritical if you ask me.

pandora

People opposed clearly do not want a gay union to be called 'marriage'.
It is not marriage by definition nor history.

This based in the tradition of the word marriage and what it has
meant for thousands of years, for billions of participants.

Most protecters of the union of marriage do not oppose rights being equal
or that there is a union
it is obvious there are many unions and gay is here to stay.

Gay people can not marry because of the fact they are the same sex.
By definition and now by law which could expand unfortunately because
of the definition and history of marriage.

But a new word a new amendment can bring equality to the unions to end this.
It will not be called marriage but will be called _ _ _ _ _ _
with the same legal rights and may, in my opinion, more than likely,
out number 'marriages' in the distant future.

Those wanting the traditional marriage union, that was created long ago,
to stay intact, it does
as gay couples move forward with a new life, a new word,
a new union with the same rights as all.

If the haters still hate that is their problem ...so be it....
there are more lovers than haters.

Cliffy6745

Godfather. wrote:

the 5th.

Godfather.

No need to plead the 5th. We know where you stand on "that gay stuff". My opinion of you is above.

Cliffy6745

I would much prefer for homosexuals to have the right to marry than for bigots to have the right to procreate.