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  • Really?????? See my post on northern ireland... didn't the nazi's fly the swastika everywhere too? What about the Chinese... don't they also love their flag? Flags are not just a symbol of 'god bless america'. They can symbolise hatred, oppression, everything wrong that that country has done.

    So no, fanch did not sum it up and that's not all that has to be said on it.

    They can also symbolize diversity, unity, progressive ideals, and everything great that country has done. And while Americans might view the flag more reverently or display it more prominently than they do in the UK, it's nowhere near the level it was used by the Nazis and their ilk. Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.
    They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ ;)
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    Really?????? See my post on northern ireland... didn't the nazi's fly the swastika everywhere too? What about the Chinese... don't they also love their flag? Flags are not just a symbol of 'god bless america'. They can symbolise hatred, oppression, everything wrong that that country has done.

    So no, fanch did not sum it up and that's not all that has to be said on it.

    And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ ;)

    we were inaugurating our 44th president. you have a problem with a bunch of flags being waved on that day?

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  • And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ ;)

    we were inaugurating our 44th president. you have a problem with a bunch of flags being waved on that day?

    serious clark?
    Not a problem with it... it's just weird the amount of money you guys pump into miniature flags ;) and I was answering soulsingings point that you DON'T wave the flag as much as the nazi's... I'm saying maybe not, but it's bloody close :D
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
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    if they had set fire to a sheet hanging from a washing line they wouldnt have... they might have got a knuckle rapping... but thats it... they never entered the property, rifled through the guys cupboards to find a flag, and then spent a few minutes hoisting it on the pole/wire on the porch... so it was quite different to your bra search scenario.

    still 30seconds of searching and a 1 out of 2 hit rate wasnt too bad... i'm quite sure more people will have been arrested for flag burning.. i'm sure some people have been assualted for desecrating the flag...

    You're absolutely right, this story is very different from YOUR bra-burning scenario (love how you try to act like that shit analogy was my idea, very smooth). You clearly don't know American culture very well. Even if they'd burned a sheet on a wash line (if anyone in this country still uses them), I can guarantee they'd have been picked up and charged. You don't fuck with other people's property in this country, it's taken very seriously. My brother got a ride home from the police when he was just a kid for kicking over someone's lawn ornament. This is a non-story.

    I've no doubt there are redneck parts of the country where an overzealous sheriff locked somebody up, but I also have no doubt those people were released and all charges dismissed. And sure, some shit kickers have probably beat up people for burning the flag. But I have little doubt there have been plenty of bar fights in Scotland over somebody saying something about the queen or about the UK or about this or that political crap... I seem to recall a story a few years back about riots in Dublin because some Orangemen had a parade by the GPO on the celebration of the Easter Rising... all they were doing was waving flags and celebrating their heritage like Cuban Americans right?

    America has no choke hold on having ignorant morons spoiling for fights. That has nothing to do with the generic practice of hanging a flag on your house... I've got an Irish flag and a flag from my college on my wall here... they just make nice decor.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ ;)

    So because you, who doesn't have to see or live with it, think it's offensive, we all need to stop it? You all don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising? I suspect there are plenty of northerners who think that's waving a flag that supports terrorism, the IRA, and the murder of innocents... perspective is a funny thing, isn't it?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,640
    wow 15 pages. Thanks for the veiwpoints everybody. What started as a tongue in cheek smart ass statement about the media fawning over a human being has turned into a debate about pride of nation and flags.
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  • They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ ;)

    So because you, who doesn't have to see or live with it, think it's offensive, we all need to stop it? You all don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising? I suspect there are plenty of northerners who think that's waving a flag that supports terrorism, the IRA, and the murder of innocents... perspective is a funny thing, isn't it?
    No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

    I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    mickeyrat wrote:
    wow 15 pages. Thanks for the veiwpoints everybody. What started as a tongue in cheek smart ass statement about the media fawning over a human being has turned into a debate about pride of nation and flags.

    Welcome to the Moving Train ;)
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

    I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!

    How very PC of you.

    I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.
  • No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

    I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!

    How very PC of you.

    I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.
    :roll: well easter isn't in August... hmm... neither is paddys day... I've never seen grafton st. decorated in the irish flags... unless you took a picture of 'carrolls tourist shop'? :lol: can I see the picture and maybe I can clarify... it might have been some major sporting event... the rugby world cup was on in 2003 but that was November I think.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 40,640
    mickeyrat wrote:
    wow 15 pages. Thanks for the veiwpoints everybody. What started as a tongue in cheek smart ass statement about the media fawning over a human being has turned into a debate about pride of nation and flags.

    Welcome to the Moving Train ;)
    Well to be accurate this was moved to AMT as the discussion morphed into what it has become.

    Personally I don't see the hubbub, but whatever. People fly flags for a variety of reasons all unknown to me. When a flag was flown at our house it was because my brother was in Doha, Qatar. We had also hung one of those star flags representing that a family member was in harms way. My brother served as Fire Chief at Doha AB , setting up/equiping 3 fire stations at the Doha airport. This was during the build up to the debacle we have now.

    Once he was home , they came down.

    I think flags here are flown as a reminder of what IS good about our country and how far astray we are to our ideals.And that alot of work is required to get us back on that path. Thats just MY opinion.


    I do have to say however that seeing another countries flag displayed bothered me in the past. Assimilation mentality. however you guys have allowed for me to change my views on this.Thanks for that. Shows and speaks to what a "melting pot" this country really is.

    Really though I think what this thread has become has done nothing more than inflame already misguided nationalism , on all sides.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,314
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    Not a problem with it... it's just weird the amount of money you guys pump into miniature flags ;) and I was answering soulsingings point that you DON'T wave the flag as much as the nazi's... I'm saying maybe not, but it's bloody close :D[/quote]

    tell me, where do you think you are seeing all of these miniature flags over here? cuz the only time i see a lot of them are at political events, flag day, and 4th of july parades. i'd venture to guess (and note that i am not stating it as fact as i do not live in your country) that ireland puts their flags out for similar occasions over there...much like every other country does.

    its so odd to me that people who do not live in the united states feel as if they know more about it than actual u.s citizens. whats with you guys' preoccupation with us and our supposed flag waving antics?
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  • tell me, where do you think you are seeing all of these miniature flags over here? cuz the only time i see a lot of them are at political events, flag day, and 4th of july parades. i'd venture to guess (and note that i am not stating it as fact as i do not live in your country) that ireland puts their flags out for similar occasions over there...much like every other country does.

    its so odd to me that people who do not live in the united states feel as if they know more about it than actual u.s citizens. whats with you guys' preoccupation with us and our supposed flag waving antics?
    I never claim to know more... tis just an observation. We certainly wave our flags at sporting events and paddys weekend... we don't have a flag day (what the hell's that? :D ). I don't see them at political events either... cos we don't ham them up like you lot do ;) and we don't have them on our front porch... and if people were going around with their little miniature flags going 'god bless ireland', they'd probably be American tourists :D
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646

    How very PC of you.

    I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.

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    august 2007... nope, cant see any.

    must have been a sporting event.

    oh and another

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    oh and another

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    which considering its the main street in the capital city of Ireland then even one or two might be normal viewing... but its not.. its now and again... sporting events etc.

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    the average US homeowner?
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,314
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    I never claim to know more... tis just an observation. We certainly wave our flags at sporting events and paddys weekend... we don't have a flag day (what the hell's that? :D ). I don't see them at political events either... cos we don't ham them up like you lot do ;) and we don't have them on our front porch... and if people were going around with their little miniature flags going 'god bless ireland', they'd probably be American tourists :D[/quote]


    so you wave irish flags at sporting events huh? well i think that's really weird. we're even.

    just an observation!
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  • dunkman wrote:

    How very PC of you.

    I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.

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    august 2007... nope, cant see any.

    must have been a sporting event.

    which considering its the main street in the capital city of Ireland then even one or two might be normal viewing... but its not.. its now and again... sporting events etc.
    I looked up 2003 to see if it was for the special olympics or something... but that was in June :? so they woulda been taken down by then. If it was LATE August.. it maybe for the All Ireland finals coming up... but usually they'd display the team colours... and I don't think they do in Grafton Street. Oh this is all very confusing :D
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  • so you wave irish flags at sporting events huh? well i think that's really weird. we're even.

    just an observation!
    I'm pretty sure EVERY country in the world does that... even the US... I could be wrong but I doubt it. So your point's null :P (and by sporting events, I mean where Ireland's playing another country). If it were two Irish teams they'd either wave the flag of that team or simply wear the colours. I'm pretty sure these standards actually exist in the US too
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    grafton street in one month of the year... most likely for a sporting event as i've been in Dublin in August (as helen should quite frankly fucking know) to watch PJ... and i have a huge batch of witnesses who will testify that the streets were not awash with flags

    unlike this (type in "US flag homes" into flickr search and the results are incredible... this image was the fourth one down!)

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    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,314
    so do you guys have a problem with people like my neighbor who has an irish flag flying from his porch pretty much every day to express his love of his heritage? or my grandfather who used to proudly put up his italian flag next to his american flag?


    ..........or is just americans flying the american flag that irritates the hell out of you? i'm just curious here...


    and incidentally, i just noticed my "god bless the u.s.a" coffee cup over here! hahaha...i was born on flag day and my girlfriend gave it to me as a gag gift a couple years ago. its got an american flag waving in the background. you would absolutely love it.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,314
    dunkman wrote:
    grafton street in one month of the year... most likely for a sporting event as i've been in Dublin in August (as helen should quite frankly fucking know) to watch PJ... and i have a huge batch of witnesses who will testify that the streets were not awash with flags

    unlike this (type in "US flag homes" into flickr search and the results are incredible... this image was the fourth one down!)

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    good for them. looks like summertime. my guess is flag day or 4th of july. well done dunk. quick! do another pointless random google search! hurry!!
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    those damn lebanese! how dare they all wave their flags!!!

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  • so do you guys have a problem with people like my neighbor who has an irish flag flying from his porch pretty much every day to express his love of his heritage? or my grandfather who used to proudly put up his italian flag next to his american flag?


    ..........or is just americans flying the american flag that irritates the hell out of you? i'm just curious here...


    and incidentally, i just noticed my "god bless the u.s.a" coffee cup over here! hahaha...i was born on flag day and my girlfriend gave it to me as a gag gift a couple years ago. its got an american flag waving in the background. you would absolutely love it.
    I don't think anyone said it 'irritates the hell' out of them :lol: we're just trying to get our head around it. I have less issue with people who aren't FROM a country flying their flag than someone flying their own flag in their own home in their own country... whether it's in America or whether it's in Ireland or whether it's in fucking Timbuktu :? it just makes zero sense... and the issue of ex pats has already been addressed several times in this thread.
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    dunkman wrote:
    grafton street in one month of the year... most likely for a sporting event as i've been in Dublin in August (as helen should quite frankly fucking know) to watch PJ... and i have a huge batch of witnesses who will testify that the streets were not awash with flags

    unlike this (type in "US flag homes" into flickr search and the results are incredible... this image was the fourth one down!)

    3218429398_867036422f.jpg

    good for them. looks like summertime. my guess is flag day or 4th of july. well done dunk. quick! do another pointless random google search! hurry!!


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    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,314
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    I don't think anyone said it 'irritates the hell' out of them :lol: we're just trying to get our head around it. I have less issue with people who aren't FROM a country flying their flag than someone flying their own flag in their own home in their own country... whether it's in America or whether it's in Ireland or whether it's in fucking Timbuktu :? it just makes zero sense... and the issue of ex pats has already been addressed several times in this thread.[/quote]


    i believe the term was "irks." sorry!

    and why do you have less issue with someone who isnt from america flying his home country's flag than someone who is from america flying their america's flag? i cant get my head around that at all. that just seems like you might have a problem with america and not flag waving. if not, then what's the difference? to me, each person is proud of their country and wants to show it. so i guess if i ever move to ireland, you wouldn't have a problem with me flying an american flag on my porch. yet, you would have a problem with my brother doing the same in washington dc. doesnt make sense. we're equally proud of our country.

    plus--i was talking about people who were born in the u.s flying their family's flag. my neighbor was born in philly, he's an american but or irish decent. eh whatever...
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    so 4th of july then ;) ....lol....dude, people dont just hang a flag at 12:01am on the 4th and take it down at 11:55pm that evening. often times there are parades and fireworks and the like going on at different times during the week around that time. if the weather is nice like it usually is that time of the year, people will just leave it up for a lil bit. thanks for proving my point though. the jeagler appreciates it. :mrgreen:
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  • oh and dunk, grafton street isn't our main street... O'Connell street is... I did a google image search and found ONE flag :D and I can spot THREE in the crowd... by the looks of the parade, I'm guessing this IS the Easter Rising parade... here ya go soulsinging.

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  • i believe the term was "irks." sorry!

    and why do you have less issue with someone who isnt from america flying his home country's flag than someone who is from america flying their america's flag? i cant get my head around that at all. that just seems like you might have a problem with america and not flag waving. if not, then what's the difference? to me, each person is proud of their country and wants to show it. so i guess if i ever move to ireland, you wouldn't have a problem with me flying an american flag on my porch. yet, you would have a problem with my brother doing the same in washington dc. doesnt make sense. we're equally proud of our country.

    plus--i was talking about people who were born in the u.s flying their family's flag. my neighbor was born in :? philly, he's an american but or irish decent. eh whatever...
    See my post... where I said it doesn't matter if it's in America, or Ireland or wherever... there's no point flying your own flag in your own country for no particular reason. We know where you're from. Don't go turning this into the usual 'anti-america' thing. I couldn't give a fuck really if people wanna fly their flag in their own home in their own country... but it just makes NO sense.
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