is jesus christ being sworn in today?

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

be like me saying Scotland makes the best record players in the world without actually hearing or using any other record player produced by another country.... quite an arrogant and pompous claim dont you think?

Nope. Ill-informed, subjective, and probably not very credible. But pompous and arrogant... not really.

arrogant: having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride;

pompous: grandiloquent: puffed up with vanity


nope... they fit everything i've said imo..

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

arrogant: having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride;

pompous: grandiloquent: puffed up with vanity

nope... they fit everything i've said imo..

Those are questions of motive and sentiment. And you don't know why people say what they do. It's a statement of subjective opinion. Whether you think it's merited or not is another issue and your judgment call. So let's hear your judgment... tell me about those firsthan experiences with vanity, overbearing pride, and unwarranted importance in Virginia.

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

but in Virginia i know that patriotism is a huge huge thing... flags, standing up at high school ball games and hearing the anthem, etc etc ... at my high school if the national anthem came on we wouldnt know why?

You do? When was the last time you were in Virginia?

yes... silly time has arrived. i havent been to Virginia... as previously stated... a big part of my wife's family live there... i;ve seen the photos... read the emails about Thanksgiving day... i;ve watched her cousins videos he makes about him growing up bisexual in Chester, VA... blah de blah... her uncle is scottish and moved there aged 19... he talks about the flags... when he brings his family over he has to explain why scotland doesnt have flags on every 2nd doorway.

its easy to know about things from 'talking' to people... you could have a chat with someone who had seen the Himalayas and described the funeral process of the people of Nepal.. leaving their dead out for the birds to eat.. but because you hadn't been i wouldnt believe you.

Heineken Helen

fanch75 wrote:

Well some people have family or maybe don't have the means or desire to travel all over. Maybe their priority is the betterment of those they are responsible for the welfare for, and thus they don't have the time, means, or desire to go all over the world. Maybe going to the beach on the east coast is fun and good enough.

Not everyone has this desire, this drive to become an advanced-level white person and "become" culturally aware because they did the world a huge favor by riding a bus in another country or drinking a beer they can't pronounce (but can't wait to tell all their countrymen about).

This thread has gone waaaay off topic.

If that's how you view travel, I can see why you'd want to stay at home with your family :? to me, I want to SEE the things that I've seen in pictures... I wanna just go off and see where I end up, what kinda people I meet, what amazing stuff I see, what brilliant food I eat that I'd never get to eat here, experience how people live in other countries and compare it to my own, maybe see if it's someplace I'd consider living in the future... not cos it makes me more culturally advanced :roll: but cos it makes me happy. I don't go to another country to ride a bus... although I have done cos it was the easiest option. And I don't care if the beer's pronouncable... as long as it's beer!

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

arrogant: having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride;

pompous: grandiloquent: puffed up with vanity

nope... they fit everything i've said imo..

Those are questions of motive and sentiment. And you don't know why people say what they do. It's a statement of subjective opinion. Whether you think it's merited or not is another issue and your judgment call. So let's hear your judgment... tell me about those firsthan experiences with vanity, overbearing pride, and unwarranted importance in Virginia.

is patriotism a huge thing in Virginia or not.

i believe, through what i've heard, read and seen that it is.

if its not then prove me wrong... have you been to Virginia?

fanch75

Heineken Helen wrote:

If that's how you view travel, I can see why you'd want to stay at home with your family :? to me, I want to SEE the things that I've seen in pictures... I wanna just go off and see where I end up, what kinda people I meet, what amazing stuff I see, what brilliant food I eat that I'd never get to eat here, experience how people live in other countries and compare it to my own, maybe see if it's someplace I'd consider living in the future... not cos it makes me more culturally advanced :roll: but cos it makes me happy. I don't go to another country to ride a bus... although I have done cos it was the easiest option. And I don't care if the beer's pronouncable... as long as it's beer!

Personally, I love travel. I view travel the same as you do (although I have no desire to live anywhere else because of ties I have here) I wish I could get a job where I get paid to travel & listen to metal all day. That's my perspective. You described your perspective. Not everyone has that same perspective.

dunkman

Obama defends patriotism in West Virginia

Pegasus

Heineken Helen wrote:

decides2dream wrote:

so sure, if mine was to expire and i didn't have a foreign trip planned, i'd not renew until i did. so that little 'fact' is deceiving.

see that's where we differ. I HAVE to have a passport at all times... ya never know when a last minute trip would come up... even if we didn't need a passport to travel throughout europe... when you book a trip you don't need the added hassle of getting a new passport too so it's best to do it when you don't think you need it.

Most Europeans actually don't need a passport to travel in Europe, national ID cards are enough (ok, there isn't any in the UK, yet, and maybe not in Ireland either).. but I renewed mine as soon as it expired just in case I had to venture further out.. which was certainly a good thing last year when I decided on a Tuesday to jump on a plane to LA on the Saturday to see Ed play :P

Meeting people from different places in your own country is one thing but it's very different to BE in a different place, be the minority too (and many expats are not typical of their original country btw, and America seems to very strongly push people to give up their culture and become just Americans).

It's funny because the flag waving, 'god bless America' and all that nationalistic (and religious) stuff cries out more of insecurity than confidence, the need to make up an identity lacking historical reality.

Heineken Helen

fanch75 wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

If that's how you view travel, I can see why you'd want to stay at home with your family :? to me, I want to SEE the things that I've seen in pictures... I wanna just go off and see where I end up, what kinda people I meet, what amazing stuff I see, what brilliant food I eat that I'd never get to eat here, experience how people live in other countries and compare it to my own, maybe see if it's someplace I'd consider living in the future... not cos it makes me more culturally advanced :roll: but cos it makes me happy. I don't go to another country to ride a bus... although I have done cos it was the easiest option. And I don't care if the beer's pronouncable... as long as it's beer!

Personally, I love travel. I view travel the same as you do (although I have no desire to live anywhere else because of ties I have here) I wish I could get a job where I get paid to travel & listen to metal all day. That's my perspective. You described your perspective. Not everyone has that same perspective.

I KNOW... I did say that it's probably my problem that I don't understand why everyone doesn't have that perspective. I'm living in a different country at the moment... but it will be a while now before I can afford to travel :( and I hate not having something planned. I don't know if I'd want a job where you're paid to travel... my boyfriend has one of those and he rarely gets to do anything in those places... usually just meeting clients and having them entertain ya. I wouldn't like THAT!

Heineken Helen

Pegasus wrote:

Most Europeans actually don't need a passport to travel in Europe, national ID cards are enough (ok, there isn't any in the UK, yet, and maybe not in Ireland either).. but I renewed mine as soon as it expired just in case I had to venture further out.. which was certainly a good thing last year when I decided on a Tuesday to jump on a plane to LA on the Saturday to see Ed play :P

Meeting people from different places in your own country is one thing but it's very different to BE in a different place, be the minority too (and many expats are not typical of their original country btw, and America seems to very strongly push people to give up their culture and become just Americans).

It's funny because the flag waving, 'god bless America' and all that nationalistic (and religious) stuff cries out more of insecurity than confidence, the need to make up an identity lacking historical reality.

Don't get me started on national ID cards :evil:

I agree though about people in other countries. Italians are the first nationality who spring to mind... they have a pretty bad reputation as tourists :oops: but when you GO to Italy you couldn't meet nicer people. And then there's the American tourists......................

dunkman

and obviously soulsinging's new tactic is just to grapple with my points forever more in the hope i say something out of turn..

i think saying 'god bless america' and 'greatest country in the world' is a bit silly and pompous... he disagrees with me.. yet on the national anthem thread he say

soulsinging wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

i cant tell you how many times the jeagler and his wasted friends have belted out "god bless america" at 1am in some random bar. it is a lot of fun, and also100% jeagler approved...so you really cant go wrong.

That's so lame. There are few things worse than cheap drunken patriotic sentimentality.

poor Jeagles... just having fun with his boys and yet its cheap patriotism... i say it's cheap patriotism to say 'god bless america' whenever and wherever and i get questioned by an amateur lawyer.

fanch75

Pegasus wrote:

It's funny because the flag waving, 'god bless America' and all that nationalistic (and religious) stuff cries out more of insecurity than confidence, the need to make up an identity lacking historical reality.

Yours once was, and still is to an extent, a great & powerful country. One with some dark parts in its history, but a proud nation. This appears to be fading. I once heard/read that "Only the soccer hooligan can save Britain." They may be correct.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

yes... silly time has arrived. i havent been to Virginia... as previously stated... a big part of my wife's family live there... i;ve seen the photos... read the emails about Thanksgiving day... i;ve watched her cousins videos he makes about him growing up bisexual in Chester, VA... blah de blah... her uncle is scottish and moved there aged 19... he talks about the flags... when he brings his family over he has to explain why scotland doesnt have flags on every 2nd doorway.

its easy to know about things from 'talking' to people... you could have a chat with someone who had seen the Himalayas and described the funeral process of the people of Nepal.. leaving their dead out for the birds to eat.. but because you hadn't been i wouldnt believe you.

Oh, so you CAN form opinions of what things are like in other countries just by talking to people and seeing pictures and whatnot? Gee whiz, I thought the problem was that Americans never actually WENT to these places. Which is it dunk?

So you wouldn't believe anything I said about Nepal because I've never been there, but we're all to believe your opinions about Virginia despite you never having been there? Interesting.

Heineken Helen

fanch75 wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

It's funny because the flag waving, 'god bless America' and all that nationalistic (and religious) stuff cries out more of insecurity than confidence, the need to make up an identity lacking historical reality.

Yours once was, and still is to an extent, a great & powerful country. One with some dark parts in its history, but a proud nation. This appears to be fading. I once heard/read that "Only the soccer hooligan can save Britain." They may be correct.

she's not british... she's French :shock: but I think patriotism is dying here in england, aside from the soccer hooligan and others of course, many seem to have adopted the German attitude of shame... well many I've spoken to... so I can't say that's a general feeling.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

is patriotism a huge thing in Virginia or not.

i believe, through what i've heard, read and seen that it is.

if its not then prove me wrong... have you been to Virginia?

I have been to Virginia. I also grew up in Ohio, one of those Midwestern states you refer to. They're both patriotic, but I've never been to places in either state where flags hung from every other house. Even Indiana, one of the most redneck kind of places I've been, has more confederate flags than American flags. And I see more flags supporting the local college football team in Ohio than I see American flags.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

and obviously soulsinging's new tactic is just to grapple with my points forever more in the hope i say something out of turn..

i think saying 'god bless america' and 'greatest country in the world' is a bit silly and pompous... he disagrees with me.. yet on the national anthem thread he say

poor Jeagles... just having fun with his boys and yet its cheap patriotism... i say it's cheap patriotism to say 'god bless america' whenever and wherever and i get questioned by an amateur lawyer.

I did say that it was lame and cheap sentiment. But I didn't say it was pompous or arrogant. Just cheesy. But I do think it's silly and pompous of you to claim absolute knowledge of how pompous and arrogant the people are in a country you've never been to.

chime

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

is patriotism a huge thing in Virginia or not.

i believe, through what i've heard, read and seen that it is.

if its not then prove me wrong... have you been to Virginia?

I have been to Virginia. I also grew up in Ohio, one of those Midwestern states you refer to. They're both patriotic, but I've never been to places in either state where flags hung from every other house. Even Indiana, one of the most redneck kind of places I've been, has more confederate flags than American flags. And I see more flags supporting the local college football team in Ohio than I see American flags.

I lived in Indiana and the patriotism is one thing I really noticed. Not in a good/bad way just in a wow that's really different to the UK kind of way.

Yeah there was the flag on nearly every house (not the confederate flag) and the mailbox usually had some IU or Purdue symbol ... the flag in every classroom (we had no flags in school at all in the UK) ... singing the national anthem before every sporting event (I've never sung the anthem in school in the UK and for sporting events it's only done for a country v country match ... actually come to think of it I've probably never in my life sang my national anthem :P ) ... the hats off ... hand on heart during the anthem taking it very seriously.

Heineken Helen

Chime wrote:

I lived in Indiana and the patriotism is one thing I really noticed. Not in a good/bad way just in a wow that's really different to the UK kind of way.

Yeah there was the flag on nearly every house (not the confederate flag) and the mailbox usually had some IU or Purdue symbol ... the flag in every classroom (we had no flags in school at all in the UK) ... singing the national anthem before every sporting event (I've never sung the anthem in school in the UK and for sporting events it's only done for a country v country match ... actually come to think of it I've probably never in my life sang my national anthem :P ) ... the hats off ... hand on heart during the anthem taking it very seriously.

I have to say we sing the national anthem before all gaelic football and hurling matches... mainly cos it's traditional since the football and hurling were things that were banned and were part of why people fought. Ugh... I could explain that better some other time probably :oops: brain freeze . I'm sure some people sing it blindly (and badly ) but there is a lot of sentiment attached to it. I kinda agree with that and I kinda don't.

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

its easy to know about things from 'talking' to people... you could have a chat with someone who had seen the Himalayas and described the funeral process of the people of Nepal.. leaving their dead out for the birds to eat.. but because you hadn't been i wouldnt believe you.

So you wouldn't believe anything I said about Nepal because I've never been there, but we're all to believe your opinions about Virginia despite you never having been there? Interesting.[/quote]

thats what you were doing to me. repeatedly asking me if i've been to Virginia.... its not enough that a big part of my wife's family is in Virginia and so she knows what it's like first hand... she's been 4 or 5 times.. staying upto 3 or 4 weeks at the longest. thats how i 'know'.

using your formula of "have you been to Virginia dunk?" i;m saying to you... how do you know they leave their dead out in Tibet? cos someone who had been had told you perhaps... therefore you know that... thats fairly simple i thought?

The Juggler

.[/quote]

i do love Scotland... i dont have a flag.. i dont have a bumper sticker.. i dont want god to bless us... i just like where i live and thats enough for me... i dont feel the compulsion to shout it from the rooftops... i love Scotland... but i've been to many other countries... i can see things they do better.. some worse... i'd still rather live here.. but i wouldnt be so arrogant to say it was the greatest country in the world as you have the opportunity to fulfil a dream... my dreams are to watch strippers... i can do that here. its no biggie.[/quote]

being the "original poster" i find the fact that this thread has made it to 11 pages or whatever completely insane considering i was posting merely about the media's biased coverage of our new president. but dunk, come on man. you have got to lighten up about this. you cant be serious. can you?

i said it was the greatest country on earth. big fucking deal. that is my opinion. you have yours and i have mine. and it might shock you to learn that i have been to 6 other countries. so im not some ignorant hick who has never ventured more than "50 miles" from where i grew up, which was an idiot statement to begin with. its my opinion that i live in the best country in the world. fucking deal with it. and you know what, if an ignorant hick thinks his country is the greatest on earth, good for him.

and "god bless it" was said with a wink and a nod as i have mentioned before in this thread. to be honest i really don't hear many people saying it too often though. but i just find it to be a humorous thing to say. my friends and i say it about everything. my girlfriend surprised me on sunday by coming home with 2 30 packs for the eagles game (i forgot to get them myself)....GOD BLESS HER! BEST GIRLFRIEND IN THE WORLD!! and you know what? i fucking love my keyboard too. FUCKING LOVE IT! GOD BLESS IT! best keyboard in the world!!!! the fucking world, dunk! do you hear me?? scotland's keyboard's aint got shit on this one baby! woohoo!

but basically, don't let little things like this eat at you. and dont say it doesnt or that it "bores" you because it obviously does irritate you to death seeing how many posts you have in here. who fucking cares? i love my country. i'm patriotic. i was born on flag day for christ's sake. you disagree with my assertion. fine. you don't agree with teaching kids to be patriotic. fine. thats your choice. leave it at that and move on.