is jesus christ being sworn in today?

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263927,00.html

and another

'John Doe' and Alyosha Witness appeared in Jackson County Court today on charges stemming from Saturday's flag burning at an anti-war rally in the Ashland Plaza. The two men are each charged with 2 counts of Reckless Endangerment and 1 count of Disorderly Conduct.

The charges of Reckless Endangerment each carry fines of $5000 and/or 1 year in jail. The charges of Disorderly Conduct carry fines of $2000 and/or 6 months in jail. The charges of Reckless Endangerment stem from allegations that an unnamed woman and child were "willfully and maliciously endangered" by the actions of the defendents.

Paula and Noah Sohl were present in the courtroom and gave a statement to the press about their experience on Saturday. They claim to be the "unnamed woman and child" present at the protest, as they were sitting in the bench near the flag burners. Mrs. Sohl said the individuals went to, "an empty space on the plaza to burn the flag." She said the act was "done carefully" and with respect.

http://www.mountainx.com/news/2007/flag ... buse_by_bu

The Juggler

dunkman wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263927,00.html

so you like reading headlines but not the stories huh dunk?

"The three are being charged with two counts of reckless endangerment, breach of peace, criminal mischief in the third-degree, arson in the second-degree, conspiracy for arson, conspiracy for breach of peace, conspiracy for mischief and conspiracy for reckless endangerment. They were not charged with flag burning."

typical dumb scottsman...

The Juggler

so, umm....yeah....the media is pretty biased towards obama huh? ....cuz that was the whole point of this thread........yeah.......alright, back to the alt board!

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

Uh, not really. America does not bless "itself." It's a country, an abstract idea of borders. I can't bless anything. Individual people bless America. How is it that when someone does that, it clearly means they're telling the rest of the world to fuck off, but if they bless YOU, it's just akin to wishing you well?

so why bless an abstract idea of borders... seems pretty futile... so why bother.

surely if blessing is the act of bestowing or wishing hope to someone, something or some abstract idea of borders and surely if America is the self appointed "greatest country in the world™" then wouldnt it be more charitable/christian/whatever to wish for hope for mankind, the world... why, if its the greatest country in the world™, does it needs it citizens to bless it...

dunkman

The Jeagler wrote:

dunkman wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263927,00.html

so you like reading headlines but not the stories huh dunk?

"The three are being charged with two counts of reckless endangerment, breach of peace, criminal mischief in the third-degree, arson in the second-degree, conspiracy for arson, conspiracy for breach of peace, conspiracy for mischief and conspiracy for reckless endangerment. They were not charged with flag burning."

typical dumb scottsman...

trust me... if they had burned some bras they wouldnt have even got a caution.

scotsman has one 't' amigo

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,263927,00.html

and another

That first story I agree with. They went onto someone's property and set fire to their property. I don't care what you're burning, that's arson, period. They deserved to be arrested. The only reason you posted it was out of desperation to find relevant stories, and if they'd set fire to anything else you'd call it a crime, but for your purposes here... well, common sense can be bent right?

The second story is appalling, but it's also a year and a half old. I'm willing to bet money those charges were all tossed out.

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

trust me... if they had burned some bras they wouldnt have even got a caution.

scotsman has one 't' amigo

Trust me, if they'd gone onto their property in the dead of night, into their house, rifled through the underwear drawer to find her bras, and then burned them... they'd have been arrested.

I thought you were big on bragging about your common sense? Those kids could have caught the whole house on fire... they burned a flag hanging on a porch. You don't see the problem with that?

dunkman

soulsinging wrote:

dunkman wrote:

trust me... if they had burned some bras they wouldnt have even got a caution.

scotsman has one 't' amigo

Trust me, if they'd gone onto their property in the dead of night, into their house, rifled through the underwear drawer to find her bras, and then burned them... they'd have been arrested.

I thought you were big on bragging about your common sense? Those kids could have caught the whole house on fire... they burned a flag hanging on a porch. You don't see the problem with that?

if they had set fire to a sheet hanging from a washing line they wouldnt have... they might have got a knuckle rapping... but thats it... they never entered the property, rifled through the guys cupboards to find a flag, and then spent a few minutes hoisting it on the pole/wire on the porch... so it was quite different to your bra search scenario.

still 30seconds of searching and a 1 out of 2 hit rate wasnt too bad... i'm quite sure more people will have been arrested for flag burning.. i'm sure some people have been assualted for desecrating the flag...

The Juggler

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trust me... if they had burned some bras they wouldnt have even got a caution.

scotsman has one 't' amigo [/quote]

i'm an american. i will spell it anyway i damn well please.

The Juggler

kids could have caught the whole house on fire... they burned a flag hanging on a porch. You don't see the problem with that?[/quote]

if they had set fire to a sheet hanging from a washing line they wouldnt have... they might have got a knuckle rapping... but thats it... they never entered the property, rifled through the guys cupboards to find a flag, and then spent a few minutes hoisting it on the pole/wire on the porch... so it was quite different to your bra search scenario....[/quote]


dude. they went onto this person's property and lit a flag, that was hanging on their porch, on fire. the house would have burned to the ground and people cold have died if it wasn't caught in time. that is arson. you're smarter than this...i think.

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Really?????? See my post on northern ireland... didn't the nazi's fly the swastika everywhere too? What about the Chinese... don't they also love their flag? Flags are not just a symbol of 'god bless america'. They can symbolise hatred, oppression, everything wrong that that country has done.

So no, fanch did not sum it up and that's not all that has to be said on it.

They can also symbolize diversity, unity, progressive ideals, and everything great that country has done. And while Americans might view the flag more reverently or display it more prominently than they do in the UK, it's nowhere near the level it was used by the Nazis and their ilk. Furthermore, while some people in your neighborhood might be offended if you burned a flag, you would not be arrested or lynched for it.

They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ

The Juggler

Heineken Helen wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

Really?????? See my post on northern ireland... didn't the nazi's fly the swastika everywhere too? What about the Chinese... don't they also love their flag? Flags are not just a symbol of 'god bless america'. They can symbolise hatred, oppression, everything wrong that that country has done.

So no, fanch did not sum it up and that's not all that has to be said on it.

And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ

we were inaugurating our 44th president. you have a problem with a bunch of flags being waved on that day?

serious clark?

Heineken Helen

The Jeagler wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ

we were inaugurating our 44th president. you have a problem with a bunch of flags being waved on that day?

serious clark?

Not a problem with it... it's just weird the amount of money you guys pump into miniature flags and I was answering soulsingings point that you DON'T wave the flag as much as the nazi's... I'm saying maybe not, but it's bloody close

soulsinging

dunkman wrote:

if they had set fire to a sheet hanging from a washing line they wouldnt have... they might have got a knuckle rapping... but thats it... they never entered the property, rifled through the guys cupboards to find a flag, and then spent a few minutes hoisting it on the pole/wire on the porch... so it was quite different to your bra search scenario.

still 30seconds of searching and a 1 out of 2 hit rate wasnt too bad... i'm quite sure more people will have been arrested for flag burning.. i'm sure some people have been assualted for desecrating the flag...

You're absolutely right, this story is very different from YOUR bra-burning scenario (love how you try to act like that shit analogy was my idea, very smooth). You clearly don't know American culture very well. Even if they'd burned a sheet on a wash line (if anyone in this country still uses them), I can guarantee they'd have been picked up and charged. You don't fuck with other people's property in this country, it's taken very seriously. My brother got a ride home from the police when he was just a kid for kicking over someone's lawn ornament. This is a non-story.

I've no doubt there are redneck parts of the country where an overzealous sheriff locked somebody up, but I also have no doubt those people were released and all charges dismissed. And sure, some shit kickers have probably beat up people for burning the flag. But I have little doubt there have been plenty of bar fights in Scotland over somebody saying something about the queen or about the UK or about this or that political crap... I seem to recall a story a few years back about riots in Dublin because some Orangemen had a parade by the GPO on the celebration of the Easter Rising... all they were doing was waving flags and celebrating their heritage like Cuban Americans right?

America has no choke hold on having ignorant morons spoiling for fights. That has nothing to do with the generic practice of hanging a flag on your house... I've got an Irish flag and a flag from my college on my wall here... they just make nice decor.

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ

So because you, who doesn't have to see or live with it, think it's offensive, we all need to stop it? You all don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising? I suspect there are plenty of northerners who think that's waving a flag that supports terrorism, the IRA, and the murder of innocents... perspective is a funny thing, isn't it?

mickeyrat

wow 15 pages. Thanks for the veiwpoints everybody. What started as a tongue in cheek smart ass statement about the media fawning over a human being has turned into a debate about pride of nation and flags.

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

They CAN symbolise those things... but rarely do. And while the flag waver might see it as everything great their country has done... there are several people who see the opposite. Unless your country is historically clean and guilt free, hold back on waving the flag, otherwise it's just a false pride. And sure, maybe it's NOT near the level it was used by the nazi's but, anyone watching the inauguration might beg to differ

So because you, who doesn't have to see or live with it, think it's offensive, we all need to stop it? You all don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising? I suspect there are plenty of northerners who think that's waving a flag that supports terrorism, the IRA, and the murder of innocents... perspective is a funny thing, isn't it?

No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!

soulsinging

mickeyrat wrote:

wow 15 pages. Thanks for the veiwpoints everybody. What started as a tongue in cheek smart ass statement about the media fawning over a human being has turned into a debate about pride of nation and flags.

Welcome to the Moving Train

soulsinging

Heineken Helen wrote:

No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!

How very PC of you.

I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.

Heineken Helen

soulsinging wrote:

Heineken Helen wrote:

No we don't hang Irish flags on Easter Rising... only some right wingers MIGHT do that... but I'm not sure I've ever seen any :? nor have I even heard that we're supposed to :?

I didn't say I was offended... the union jack MIGHT have reason to offend me... but the stars and stripes does not (offend ME). Those northerners who would think the irish flag represents all that would likely be flying their own flag so I couldn't give a fuck. I didn't say anyone should stop... I'm debating the reasons they do it and offering reasons why they shouldn't do it... simple!

How very PC of you.

I'm looking right now at a picture taken in August 2003 of Grafton Street and there are Irish flags hanging everywhere. Don't tell me the Irish never wave the flag.

:roll: well easter isn't in August... hmm... neither is paddys day... I've never seen grafton st. decorated in the irish flags... unless you took a picture of 'carrolls tourist shop'? can I see the picture and maybe I can clarify... it might have been some major sporting event... the rugby world cup was on in 2003 but that was November I think.