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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,957
    Welp, looks like I'm megabus'n it to and fro on Thursday.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519
    all aboooooooooooooooooooooooooaaaaard the R6!
    :clap::clap::clap::clap:
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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    We're hopping on the train at the Hamilton Station on Friday!
    My drinking team has a hockey problem

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519
    We're hopping on the train at the Hamilton Station on Friday!


    the R6?
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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    We're hopping on the train at the Hamilton Station on Friday!


    the R6?

    Is that NJT Train ?
    My drinking team has a hockey problem

    The ONLY thing better than a glass of beer is tea with Miss McGill



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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519
    We're hopping on the train at the Hamilton Station on Friday!


    the R6?

    Is that NJT Train ?

    no, it's our clean up hitter. :mrgreen:

    everybody hits tonight. woohoo...
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  • Phantom PainPhantom Pain Posts: 9,876
    The Jeagler wrote:

    no, it's our clean up hitter.

    everybody hits tonight. woohoo...

    Ya Bastad ya !

    I missed the Salami !

    :o
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519
    The Jeagler wrote:

    no, it's our clean up hitter.

    everybody hits tonight. woohoo...

    Ya Bastad ya !

    I missed the Salami !

    :o
    me too! i am at work watching it on gamecast. i've spent the last hour and a half convincing this korean chick who barely speaks english to move forward with a refinance. good times...

    3 for 5, 6 rbi's...that is a monster game. the R6 now has his average up to .299! this lineup is fucking SICK :thumbup:
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 41,780
    The Jeagler wrote:

    no, it's our clean up hitter.

    everybody hits tonight. woohoo...

    Ya Bastad ya !

    I missed the Salami !

    :o
    me too! i am at work watching it on gamecast. i've spent the last hour and a half convincing this korean chick who barely speaks english to move forward with a refinance. good times...

    3 for 5, 6 rbi's...that is a monster game. the R6 now has his average up to .299! this lineup is fucking SICK :thumbup:

    and J-Roll is back :D I missed the slam also. Was watching 24. Caught the replay of it right after though.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519

    and J-Roll is back :D I missed the slam also. Was watching 24. Caught the replay of it right after though.


    and it's not even hittin' season yet....oh boy.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,519
    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phil ... z0oHmDtdkx

    What would a third Cliff Lee trade mean for the Phillies?

    Right now, Phillies tickets would be easier to find if they were printed on gold paper and wrapped around chocolate bars and distributed throughout the city at random.

    But there is another option for passionate fans who are interested in supporting the cause:

    Pray for Chone Figgins.

    And, while you are at it, send Casey Kotchman an encouraging note. And buy a Milton Bradley jersey. Heck, buy some board games too.

    Because right now, the biggest threat to the Phillies' third straight National League title might be a failed state in Seattle.

    Regardless of how you felt about the Phillies' decision to trade Cliff Lee this offseason, or the prospects they received in the deal, you had to give the club credit for the location where they chose to return their Rent-An-Ace. Back in December, club president David Montgomery dismissed the notion that the team used geography as a factor when deciding how to jilt the lefty. Whether or not you believe his claim, it is impossible to ignore the convenience offered by shipping Lee as far from Philadelphia as physically impossible. Not only did the ownership ensure that they would not have to read about the vast majority of Lee's starts while consuming their Sunny Delight and microwaveable breakfast sandwiches each morning -- not even Cliff Lee can figure out how to get a late West Coast game into an East Coast newspaper -- they also seemed to limit their odds of facing him in any setting outside of the All-Star Game. Even with Lee and Felix Hernandez atop their rotation, the Mariners would have to overcome some significant hurdles in New York, Tampa Bay, Boston, Minnesota and Los Angeles to make it to the World Series.

    In Montgomery's perfect world, Lee would keep the Mariners in contention for most of the season, lose to Roy Halladay in the All-Star Game, then watch his season end as the big-monied American League contenders seized control of October. It was a logical way to think -- even if the Phillies weren't actually thinking that way. And, despite the Mariners horrid start, it still is, given the level of disinterest among the candidates to fill the power vacuum in the AL West.

    But numbers are numbers, and right now, the Mariners couldn't buy a hit if they played their home games in Hamsterdam. They are 10 games under .500, and have exactly two regulars hitting above .255. Figgins, their marquee addition to the line-up this offseason, not to mention a player the Phillies wisely avoided signing to play third base, has nine RBI and seven extra base hits in 135 at-bats this season (to put that in perspective, Phillies pitchers have four RBI and three extra-base hits in 84 at-bats).

    Nobody should expect Seattle to start looking toward the future any time soon. But as the trade deadline draws closer, the demand for Lee will heat up considerably. And the Mariners could easily reach a point where they realize flipping him for prospects is their smartest decision.

    Which is where the Phillies should begin to shudder.

    Because when it comes to rogue states and Weapons of Mass Destruction, the biggest concern to the establishment is not the rogue state itself, but its potential business partners.

    And you can bet the National League would field its share of interested parties, shadowy or otherwise.

    Dodgers - They have been hamstrung by the ongoing divorce battle between the McCourts, but you don't think Ned Colletti will lobbying hard for an established veteran to add to Chad Billingsley and Clayton Kershaw? They control virtually their entire line-up through at least next season, and they have close to $30 million coming off the books this offseason in Manny Ramirez and Hiroki Kuroda. This close to free agency, Lee is almost sure to test the market. But it wouldn't be too big of a stretch to see the Dodgers making a run at a long-term deal with Lee this offseason. They were reported to be looking at Halladay last year, and they added Ramirez two years ago in a blockbuster deadline deal. Their farm system isn't in great shape, but they have so much young talent at the big league level that you have to think they could put together a legitimate offer.

    Imagine a Best-of-Five first-round series against a Dodgers rotation that sends Lee out to the mound twice against the Phillies line-up? Not to mention Kershaw, Billingsley and Kuroda.

    Mets - Anybody want to face Lee and Santana four times in a playoff series? Like the Dodgers, the Mets aren't in great shape in their farm system. But they are also lagging in attendance, and stewing over the Phillies' recent domination of the division. Yeah, they've struggled here lately, and could be out of contention come deadline time. But if they are anywhere close to striking distance, two-and-a-half months of Lee-Santana-Pelfrey could work wonders. Heck, maybe Seattle would even be in a position to take on a change-of-scenery project like Oliver Perez (along, of course, with a considerable financial package) as a kick-in.

    Reds - They have a slim lead in the National League Central, but have a rotation that ranks in the middle-of-the-pack in ERA, and they don't have a single lefty starter.

    Lee's cheap $9 million salary means there would be plenty of teams who could convince their ownership to fit him in to the payroll. An additional $4.5 million could easily pay for itself at the gate with a postseason run. And you only have to look back to C.C. Sabathia with the Brewers for evidence of how much one dominant starter can impact a small-to-mid-market club who has plenty of other pieces in place.

    There are plenty of things that would have to happen before the Mariners trade Lee to a National League team. It is only mid-May. Lee has only been in the rotation for a couple of weeks. If the Mariners are still within striking distance at the trade deadline, chances are they become buyers and not sellers. Even if they do decide to deal, there will be plenty of interested American League clubs.

    But two years ago, the Indians landed a haul in exchange for a half-season of Sabathia. Given Lee's minimal salary figure and his recent track record, in both the regular season and postseason, he should create a seller's market for his services. If the Mariners think there is a chance they can end up in the black on Net Talent, and if they think there is a chance that all they'll get out of Lee is some early season headlines, they'll have to seriously consider the possibility.

    Sure, there are plenty of American League teams who will be looking for pitching. But history suggests that these things usually happen interleague. Think Sabathia and Joe Blanton two years ago, Lee last season and this offseason, Halladay this offseason, Bartolo Colon back in the day. So while a team like Minnesota would seem to have both the need and resources to put together a competitive package for an ace like Lee, the Mariners would hardly be a trailblazer in deciding to take a little less to get him out of the American League.

    I realize the season is still in its early stages, and given the local hysteria surrounding the decision to trade Lee, writing something like this is like opening up a Hot Dog Stand on Survivor Island.

    But given the Mariners' ugly start, and the fact that every other contender in the National League is devising ways to beat the Phillies in October, the possibility of Cliff Lee falling into the hands of a rival faction is something that, at the very least, is worth pondering.

    Besides, it is never to early to Pray for Chone.

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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    edited May 2010
    I think keith law is the best scout/player analyst out there. Today he released his updated top 25 minor league prospect list. Here is some phils-related stuff (take notice that there are no RBI totals anywhere to be seen)

    7. Dominic Brown, of, Philadelphia. The Jayson Werth Replacement is laying waste to Double-A, with a .337/.402/.653 line that must give the Phils' front office confidence that they can stand to lose Werth to free agency without too much of a hit to their chances of contending. Previous ranking: No. 14

    **the guy he mentions below as the 'guy at the top of the list' is of course, stephen strasburg

    Honorable mention


    Jarred Cosart, rhp, Philadelphia. He could also qualify as the player who made the biggest jump. I may be getting slightly ahead of myself here, but Cosart showed up in spring training sitting in the mid-90s, prompting one evaluator to tell me he was "the second-best arm in the minors," after the guy at the top of the list. And so far, Cosart is lighting up the Sally League, with 33 whiffs and just 6 walks in 28.2 innings. Previous ranking: NR
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    I think keith law is the best scout/player analyst out there. Today he released his updated top 25 minor league prospect list. Here is some phils-related stuff

    7. Dominic Brown, of, Philadelphia. The Jayson Werth Replacement is laying waste to Double-A, with a .337/.402/.653 line that must give the Phils' front office confidence that they can stand to lose Werth to free agency without too much of a hit to their chances of contending. Previous ranking: No. 14

    **the guy he mentions below as the 'guy at the top of the list' is of course, stephen strasburg

    Honorable mention


    Jarred Cosart, rhp, Philadelphia. He could also qualify as the player who made the biggest jump. I may be getting slightly ahead of myself here, but Cosart showed up in spring training sitting in the mid-90s, prompting one evaluator to tell me he was "the second-best arm in the minors," after the guy at the top of the list. And so far, Cosart is lighting up the Sally League, with 33 whiffs and just 6 walks in 28.2 innings. Previous ranking: NR

    You have a link dude? Would love to see what he says about Montero with his slow start.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I think keith law is the best scout/player analyst out there. Today he released his updated top 25 minor league prospect list. Here is some phils-related stuff

    7. Dominic Brown, of, Philadelphia. The Jayson Werth Replacement is laying waste to Double-A, with a .337/.402/.653 line that must give the Phils' front office confidence that they can stand to lose Werth to free agency without too much of a hit to their chances of contending. Previous ranking: No. 14

    **the guy he mentions below as the 'guy at the top of the list' is of course, stephen strasburg

    Honorable mention


    Jarred Cosart, rhp, Philadelphia. He could also qualify as the player who made the biggest jump. I may be getting slightly ahead of myself here, but Cosart showed up in spring training sitting in the mid-90s, prompting one evaluator to tell me he was "the second-best arm in the minors," after the guy at the top of the list. And so far, Cosart is lighting up the Sally League, with 33 whiffs and just 6 walks in 28.2 innings. Previous ranking: NR

    You have a link dude? Would love to see what he says about Montero with his slow start.

    it's espn insider...here's montero

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/ ... id=5197483

    9. Jesus Montero, c, NY Yankees. Off to a very slow start in Triple-A, although to be fair, he's very young for that level at 20 years old. He's DH'd three times in the last six games after catching in all but two of his first 25 games played. Montero still projects as a DH/1B due to significant concerns about his defense. Previous ranking: No. 10
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    I think keith law is the best scout/player analyst out there. Today he released his updated top 25 minor league prospect list. Here is some phils-related stuff

    7. Dominic Brown, of, Philadelphia. The Jayson Werth Replacement is laying waste to Double-A, with a .337/.402/.653 line that must give the Phils' front office confidence that they can stand to lose Werth to free agency without too much of a hit to their chances of contending. Previous ranking: No. 14

    **the guy he mentions below as the 'guy at the top of the list' is of course, stephen strasburg

    Honorable mention


    Jarred Cosart, rhp, Philadelphia. He could also qualify as the player who made the biggest jump. I may be getting slightly ahead of myself here, but Cosart showed up in spring training sitting in the mid-90s, prompting one evaluator to tell me he was "the second-best arm in the minors," after the guy at the top of the list. And so far, Cosart is lighting up the Sally League, with 33 whiffs and just 6 walks in 28.2 innings. Previous ranking: NR

    You have a link dude? Would love to see what he says about Montero with his slow start.

    it's espn insider...here's montero

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/ ... id=5197483

    9. Jesus Montero, c, NY Yankees. Off to a very slow start in Triple-A, although to be fair, he's very young for that level at 20 years old. He's DH'd three times in the last six games after catching in all but two of his first 25 games played. Montero still projects as a DH/1B due to significant concerns about his defense. Previous ranking: No. 10

    Damn, thats a big drop, he was 4 or 5 in most projections before the season. Romine on the list? EDIT: MIssed the pervous ranking, guess K Law never had him that high. Maybe it was Baseball American or Proospectus.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    You have a link dude? Would love to see what he says about Montero with his slow start.

    it's espn insider...here's montero

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/insider/ ... id=5197483

    9. Jesus Montero, c, NY Yankees. Off to a very slow start in Triple-A, although to be fair, he's very young for that level at 20 years old. He's DH'd three times in the last six games after catching in all but two of his first 25 games played. Montero still projects as a DH/1B due to significant concerns about his defense. Previous ranking: No. 10

    Damn, thats a big drop, he was 4 or 5 in most projections before the season. Romine on the list? EDIT: MIssed the pervous ranking, guess K Law never had him that high. Maybe it was Baseball American or Proospectus.

    nah, montero was only yankee on there. the queer red sox have 2 guys (kelly and anderson)
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    nah, montero was only yankee on there. the queer red sox have 2 guys (kelly and anderson)

    Yeah,I hear Kelley is the real deal.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    I never heard of that other Phillies pitcher you had either. Where did he come from?
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I never heard of that other Phillies pitcher you had either. Where did he come from?

    he's only 19. he was a low round pick two years ago. he got a big signing bonus to keep him from going to college. apparently he throws in the mid-upper 90's. They have a lot of lower-level minor league talent right now.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Law's minor league org rankings

    1 - Texas
    2 - Boston
    3 - Tampa
    4 - Cleveland
    5 - Atlanta
    6 - Baltimore
    7 - Cubs
    8 - Colorado
    9 - KC
    10 - Cincy

    Philly is 24, Yanks are 25
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I never heard of that other Phillies pitcher you had either. Where did he come from?

    he's only 19. he was a low round pick two years ago. he got a big signing bonus to keep him from going to college. apparently he throws in the mid-upper 90's. They have a lot of lower-level minor league talent right now.

    Damn, young kid. Will have to keep an eye on that name.

    You read Frankie Piliere at all? Here is a great list of the international FA's to keep an eye on.

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/05/17/two- ... h-knowing/
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,957
    Paul Hagen did a puff piece for the Daily News about the prospects and barely acknowledges Cosart, when he's probably their best pitching prospect - at least I think so. Seems nasty so far - 43 K's in 33 ip, don't even think he's turned 20 yet.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    Law's minor league org rankings

    1 - Texas
    2 - Boston
    3 - Tampa
    4 - Cleveland
    5 - Atlanta
    6 - Baltimore
    7 - Cubs
    8 - Colorado
    9 - KC
    10 - Cincy

    Philly is 24, Yanks are 25

    I don't get how Boston is 2 with Buccholz in the big leagues and Westmoreland's brain surgery.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Law's minor league org rankings

    1 - Texas
    2 - Boston
    3 - Tampa
    4 - Cleveland
    5 - Atlanta
    6 - Baltimore
    7 - Cubs
    8 - Colorado
    9 - KC
    10 - Cincy

    Philly is 24, Yanks are 25

    I don't get how Boston is 2 with Buccholz in the big leagues and Westmoreland's brain surgery.

    they are loaded. bard just up recently too.

    people keep hating on sabermetrics though...

    EDIT...for the record these rankings were from january
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Law's minor league org rankings

    1 - Texas
    2 - Boston
    3 - Tampa
    4 - Cleveland
    5 - Atlanta
    6 - Baltimore
    7 - Cubs
    8 - Colorado
    9 - KC
    10 - Cincy

    Philly is 24, Yanks are 25

    I don't get how Boston is 2 with Buccholz in the big leagues and Westmoreland's brain surgery.

    they are loaded. bard just up recently too.

    people keep hating on sabermetrics though...

    Yeah, I know they have a lot, just seems strange they are that high with a bunch of their prospects in the bigs and another out for the foreseeable future.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    I never heard of that other Phillies pitcher you had either. Where did he come from?

    he's only 19. he was a low round pick two years ago. he got a big signing bonus to keep him from going to college. apparently he throws in the mid-upper 90's. They have a lot of lower-level minor league talent right now.

    Damn, young kid. Will have to keep an eye on that name.

    You read Frankie Piliere at all? Here is a great list of the international FA's to keep an eye on.

    http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/05/17/two- ... h-knowing/

    never heard of this guy...good shit though.

    think I mentioned it before...I'm in a fantasy league where we have 35 active mlb spots and 30 minor league roster spots (12 owners). I love reading about this prospect stuff
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 16,957
    The Fixer wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:
    Law's minor league org rankings

    1 - Texas
    2 - Boston
    3 - Tampa
    4 - Cleveland
    5 - Atlanta
    6 - Baltimore
    7 - Cubs
    8 - Colorado
    9 - KC
    10 - Cincy

    Philly is 24, Yanks are 25

    I don't get how Boston is 2 with Buccholz in the big leagues and Westmoreland's brain surgery.

    they are loaded. bard just up recently too.

    people keep hating on sabermetrics though...

    EDIT...for the record these rankings were from january

    I was just going to say....if you guys went to the SABR convention, you'd probably cum in your pants.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    BTW, I got a free ticket right behind the Phillies dugout to go see your boy pitch tonight.

    If I miss a brawl in the Yankees game I am going to be furious.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714

    I was just going to say....if you guys went to the SABR convention, you'd probably cum in your pants.

    Haha, I have a lot of friends that write for Yankees blogs and they all just went the the Bloomberg Sports demo. They said it was a huge stat fest.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,714
    The Fixer wrote:

    never heard of this guy...good shit though.

    think I mentioned it before...I'm in a fantasy league where we have 35 active mlb spots and 30 minor league roster spots (12 owners). I love reading about this prospect stuff

    He's great. He really knows his shit. You should check him out.

    That is pretty crazy, I don't know if I have the concentration for that. Good for you though.
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