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  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    nice to see Avery get beaten by hartnell, expected better from Carcillo, please

    someone needs to smoke this tool
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  • Phantom Pain
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    smarchee wrote:
    nice to see Avery get beaten by hartnell, expected better from Carcillo, please

    someone needs to smoke this tool

    ummmmm...

    Wrong thread

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  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    Phantom Pain wrote:
    smarchee wrote:
    nice to see Avery get beaten by hartnell, expected better from Carcillo, please

    someone needs to smoke this tool

    ummmmm...

    Wrong thread

    ;):)

    lmao

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,916
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Phils have the best beat writers......an interesting article from Andy Martino...

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Loo ... _2011.html

    "Just a thought: For everyone who is still upset about paying Joe Blanton and not Cliff Lee, keep 2011 and beyond in your mind. Knowing the money they had tied up for 2011, the team had an idea it was basically impossible to meet what Lee will bring in free agency next offseason. So instead, the team chose three years of an affordable Joe Blanton along with three prospects over one year of Cliff Lee. Will that backfire? It's certainly possible.

    Even if Werth ends up being out of the picture, does the team still have enough flexibility to fill out the rest of the roster for 2011? Or does someone under contract need to be traded to free up cash?

    It's all a ways down the road, but nearly every move the Phillies have made this offseason was done with 2011 in mind, too."

    Thank you, Andy. Now please let the Cliff Lee nonsense go.

    see, that doesnt do it for me. i agree this is a stale argument that never goes anwhere and i know we got these prospects, but thats all they are prospects. no guarantees. if we kept lee, we would have gotten 2 first rounders after he walked who would have taken longer to develop, but they're first rounders none the less. we still have your boy brown to take over in the outfield if/when werth walks. and keeping lee would have meant we'd be odds on favorites to win the world series, not just get there again....and it would have meant a once in a liftime opportunity of having the greatest rotation in the 150 year old history of the phils...it's not nonsense. its something that could have happened and will haunt this team if the staff performs like they did much of last year.

    how bout a lefty in the pen? any updates on that?

    if it is once in a lifetime ask Charlie if we should fire him and get a better manager. he is the moron that started Pedro over our $8 million starter and our 2nd runner up rookie of the year.
  • neilybabes86
    neilybabes86 Posts: 16,057
    pjhawks wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Phils have the best beat writers......an interesting article from Andy Martino...

    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Loo ... _2011.html

    "Just a thought: For everyone who is still upset about paying Joe Blanton and not Cliff Lee, keep 2011 and beyond in your mind. Knowing the money they had tied up for 2011, the team had an idea it was basically impossible to meet what Lee will bring in free agency next offseason. So instead, the team chose three years of an affordable Joe Blanton along with three prospects over one year of Cliff Lee. Will that backfire? It's certainly possible.

    Even if Werth ends up being out of the picture, does the team still have enough flexibility to fill out the rest of the roster for 2011? Or does someone under contract need to be traded to free up cash?

    It's all a ways down the road, but nearly every move the Phillies have made this offseason was done with 2011 in mind, too."

    Thank you, Andy. Now please let the Cliff Lee nonsense go.

    see, that doesnt do it for me. i agree this is a stale argument that never goes anwhere and i know we got these prospects, but thats all they are prospects. no guarantees. if we kept lee, we would have gotten 2 first rounders after he walked who would have taken longer to develop, but they're first rounders none the less. we still have your boy brown to take over in the outfield if/when werth walks. and keeping lee would have meant we'd be odds on favorites to win the world series, not just get there again....and it would have meant a once in a liftime opportunity of having the greatest rotation in the 150 year old history of the phils...it's not nonsense. its something that could have happened and will haunt this team if the staff performs like they did much of last year.

    how bout a lefty in the pen? any updates on that?

    if it is once in a lifetime ask Charlie if we should fire him and get a better manager. he is the moron that started Pedro over our $8 million starter and our 2nd runner up rookie of the year.


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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    edited January 2010
    The Jeagler wrote:
    jamminpearls wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:
    see, that doesnt do it for me. i agree this is a stale argument that never goes anwhere and i know we got these prospects, but thats all they are prospects. no guarantees. if we kept lee, we would have gotten 2 first rounders after he walked who would have taken longer to develop, but they're first rounders none the less. we still have your boy brown to take over in the outfield if/when werth walks. and keeping lee would have meant we'd be odds on favorites to win the world series, not just get there again....and it would have meant a once in a liftime opportunity of having the greatest rotation in the 150 year old history of the phils...it's not nonsense. its something that could have happened and will haunt this team if the staff performs like they did much of last year.

    how bout a lefty in the pen? any updates on that?
    Agree 100% wow :)

    that's cuz its a different sport i guess! :mrgreen:

    I know I'm going to sound like a douche bag here, but whatever. This is all COMPLETE NONSENSE. I feel like I'm getting WIP in Binaural mode. Dude, Stark reported that the Phillies offered Cliff a 3 year 60 mil contract. It wasn't good enough, so management moved on. If that's not them putting their best foot forward, then I don't know what is. You guys keep talking about the greatest pitching rotation in the history of the team. YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THAT HAVING BOTH IN THE ROTATION WAS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION - IT NEVER WAS. It wasn't like they made a play for Doc while still having Lee. The problem here is you're all being ungrateful. Hate to say it, but it's true. This team is STILL the favorite in the NL without Lee. Do I have dreams of what a lineup would look like with Steve Carlton and Mike Schmidt in this lineup? Sure, but that's what makes them dreams. YOU ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE GREATEST PHILLIES TEAM TO EVER TAKE THE FIELD. Think real, hard, and long about that. And I am by no means a company man, but I find solace in the fact that this team is being structured for today and tomorrow. The days of the Phillies regarding themselves as a small market team are long gone with the door permanently shut on this notion.

    Stark is reporting these deals are also opening the doors for more bullpen help.

    And pjhawks, you're gonna rip Charlie for the moves he makes yet you'll suck Andy Reid's golf balls through a garden hose.....Always easier to get up on a soap box rip people after the fact. I had no problem with Pedro in game 2. In fact, Pedro was spectacular in the playoffs other than his last appearance. Was Game 6 a stretch? Sure, but I will no way rip Charlie for the way he ran things. Not enough where he deserves some kind of unbelievable scrutiny. If Pedro was sick as a dog and couldn't pitch he should've made it known.
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?

    Just saw this. Now this is off the cuff as I'm just seeing this, but I like it for depth at the 5 spot plus a decent swing/long man. Roster's filling up nicely.

    Oh, and there's more of your Cliff Lee money, boys. Now go puts your noses back in your sour milk.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?

    Just saw this. Now this is off the cuff as I'm just seeing this, but I like it for depth at the 5 spot plus a decent swing/long man. Roster's filling up nicely.

    Oh, and there's more of your Cliff Lee money, boys. Now go puts your noses back in your sour milk.

    I guess. He is not good though. Wouldn't Pedro have been a better option?
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?

    Just saw this. Now this is off the cuff as I'm just seeing this, but I like it for depth at the 5 spot plus a decent swing/long man. Roster's filling up nicely.

    Oh, and there's more of your Cliff Lee money, boys. Now go puts your noses back in your sour milk.

    I guess. He is not good though. Wouldn't Pedro have been a better option?

    Same thing was said about Chan Ho, and his numbers were more than decent in his stint in Colorado. And Pedro wants a whole season and about 5 mil. They're saying this is a low cost high reward thing, so I'm down with it. Apparently they are talking to Pedro about a half season thing again though. Oh, and Pedro's not and never will be a bullpen guy. At least Jose's got the gas to be a bullpen guy.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Same thing was said about Chan Ho, and his numbers were more than decent in his stint in Colorado. And Pedro wants a whole season and about 5 mil. They're saying this is a low cost high reward thing, so I'm down with it. Apparently they are talking to Pedro about a half season thing again though. Oh, and Pedro's not and never will be a bullpen guy. At least Jose's got the gas to be a bullpen guy.

    I guess, as long as the deal is for nothing. His stint in Col was a whole 17 innings. Can't hurt I guess as long as he is not getting paid much.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Same thing was said about Chan Ho, and his numbers were more than decent in his stint in Colorado. And Pedro wants a whole season and about 5 mil. They're saying this is a low cost high reward thing, so I'm down with it. Apparently they are talking to Pedro about a half season thing again though. Oh, and Pedro's not and never will be a bullpen guy. At least Jose's got the gas to be a bullpen guy.

    I guess, as long as the deal is for nothing. His stint in Col was a whole 17 innings. Can't hurt I guess as long as he is not getting paid much.

    And I don't think he will. I can't see more than 2 mil. If Chan Ho was offered 3, then I gotta presume this is no more than 2/2.5
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:

    Same thing was said about Chan Ho, and his numbers were more than decent in his stint in Colorado. And Pedro wants a whole season and about 5 mil. They're saying this is a low cost high reward thing, so I'm down with it. Apparently they are talking to Pedro about a half season thing again though. Oh, and Pedro's not and never will be a bullpen guy. At least Jose's got the gas to be a bullpen guy.

    I guess, as long as the deal is for nothing. His stint in Col was a whole 17 innings. Can't hurt I guess as long as he is not getting paid much.

    And I don't think he will. I can't see more than 2 mil. If Chan Ho was offered 3, then I gotta presume this is no more than 2/2.5

    True, I am surpised Chan Ho would have turned down 3 mil. I didnt see that.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,916
    jearlpam0925 - two differnet animals in the NFL and Major Leagues. Much Much harder to win consistently in the NFL as the talent bases of most teams are much closer in the NFL than in the Major Leagues. It's it why for the 9th straight year the NFC will have a different representative in the Super Bowl (9 different since the Giants in 2001 I believe).

    I think Charlie is a good manager for this team because of his patience but I do believe starting Pedro 3 times in the playoffs (and the Phils won none of those games) was a monumental mistake - a mistake that we will look back upon in the years to come and realize what a fuckup move it was. also part of my comments on Charlie were in response to him basically ripping management for not having Lee here as well - if Charlie wants everything then I guess he can step aside and we can get a better manager in here.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    pjhawks wrote:
    It's it why for the 9th straight year the NFC will have a different representative in the Super Bowl (9 different since the Giants in 2001 I believe).

    Forget so soon....

    Eli-Manning-Super-Bowl-XLII-MVP.jpg

    Back to your Phillies banter....

    Edit: Or I could have read you wrong and you could have been saying after 2001... My mistake, either way that is a beautiful picture.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    The Jeagler wrote:

    I know I'm going to sound like a douche bag here, but whatever. This is all COMPLETE NONSENSE. I feel like I'm getting WIP in Binaural mode. Dude, Stark reported that the Phillies offered Cliff a 3 year 60 mil contract. It wasn't good enough, so management moved on. If that's not them putting their best foot forward, then I don't know what is. You guys keep talking about the greatest pitching rotation in the history of the team. YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THAT HAVING BOTH IN THE ROTATION WAS NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION - IT NEVER WAS. It wasn't like they made a play for Doc while still having Lee. The problem here is you're all being ungrateful. Hate to say it, but it's true. This team is STILL the favorite in the NL without Lee. Do I have dreams of what a lineup would look like with Steve Carlton and Mike Schmidt in this lineup? Sure, but that's what makes them dreams. YOU ARE STILL LOOKING AT THE GREATEST PHILLIES TEAM TO EVER TAKE THE FIELD. Think real, hard, and long about that. And I am by no means a company man, but I find solace in the fact that this team is being structured for today and tomorrow. The days of the Phillies regarding themselves as a small market team are long gone with the door permanently shut on this notion.

    dude...never did i say we should extend lee AND trade for and extend halladay. of course that would not be feasible. but making the halladay trade and keeping lee for just one season certainly was. it was two seperate trades not a 3 teamer. they could have had them both, they chose not to because of their payroll.

    and no, this is not wip talk coming at you as i only listen to the midday show on that station who actually are in agreement with you on this.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?

    Just saw this. Now this is off the cuff as I'm just seeing this, but I like it for depth at the 5 spot plus a decent swing/long man. Roster's filling up nicely.

    Oh, and there's more of your Cliff Lee money, boys. Now go puts your noses back in your sour milk.

    hmmm....spending that money on jose contreras and an extra reliever....or spending that money on cliff lee, and spending slightly OVER your self imposed cap on a reliever. yeah, thats a tough one. :mrgreen:
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  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    pjhawks wrote:
    It's it why for the 9th straight year the NFC will have a different representative in the Super Bowl (9 different since the Giants in 2001 I believe).

    Forget so soon....

    Eli-Manning-Super-Bowl-XLII-MVP.jpg

    Back to your Phillies banter....

    Edit: Or I could have read you wrong and you could have been saying after 2001... My mistake, either way that is a beautiful picture.

    EXACTLY. If anything, this proves my point that it's harder to win consistently in baseball. Do you know what the average turn around time in the NFL is from a bad team to a mediocre team? THREE YEARS. That can't be done in baseball, unless you're the worthless Yankees or douchebag Sawx. Teams that make bad decisions in baseball are effected for YEARS. In football, teams can be revamped in mere months. This picture of Corky Thatcher proves that. Oh, and again, look at Pedro's stats from the playoffs aside from game 6. How quickly we forget. They didn't win any of those games he says.........that's like saying Cole Hamels ONLY winning 15 games in 2008 was his fault. No, you're right....Pedro holding LA to ONE RUN though 8 and battling incredibly in game 2 of the WS only to get no support because the lineup got too smart for their own good is the reason Pedro lost those games. I know exactly what the lineup was thinking against Burnett in game 2 - the guy can't throw his breaking ball for strikes so work the counts and get his pitch count up and have him out of the game by the 5th inning. Ya know what happened though? His curve DID go over for strikes. Then the lineup started going after bad pitches. If you wanna put game 6 on Pedro, fine, but don't tell me the reason they lost in any of the other games were his fault.
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,533
    The Jeagler wrote:
    Jearlpam0925 wrote:
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Jose Contreras? Strange move, no?

    Just saw this. Now this is off the cuff as I'm just seeing this, but I like it for depth at the 5 spot plus a decent swing/long man. Roster's filling up nicely.

    Oh, and there's more of your Cliff Lee money, boys. Now go puts your noses back in your sour milk.

    hmmm....spending that money on jose contreras and an extra reliever....or spending that money on cliff lee, and spending slightly OVER your self imposed cap on a reliever. yeah, thats a tough one. :mrgreen:

    You're wrong and you know it. 8-)
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,597
    like the contreras signing. he's basically the 2010 version of chan ho.

    what is the latest on chan ho? i know he wants to start. is he close to signing with anyone?

    little concerned about the lack of lefties in the pen right now though...
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